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On October 08 2012 04:42 gonzaw wrote:
Something weird happened on N1, and I can vouch for that (again, regarding my role).
If I told you guys what happened to me you would say "I don't see a scenario that explains what gonzaw is saying, therefore he's lying" as well.
Maybe I'm inclined to believe Draz because of that.
If you have some information, maybe it would be better to just claim it and let other people try to make sense of it.
Remember, if I believe you, I can give you KP protection and RB immunity.
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Okay, does this help?
I targeted you night 1.
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If a medic protects a bodyguard who is protecting someone else, and that third party gets shot, does the bodyguard still take 1 KP of damage or would the medic prevent it?
IE:
VisceraEyes is 1-shot Bodyguard that dies if he successfully protects a KP (IE something useful for protecting a Mayor or Innocent Child, etc).
marv is a medic.
Ace is an innocent child.
VE protects Ace on night 1. marv protects VE. Scum shoots Ace. I would expect VE to die, because he died from his own role, rather than from KP.
In that hypothetical scenario, would VE have died, or been saved by the medic?
Maybe that will clear things up.
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Okay, right now I am actually leaning towards revoting for Drazerk.
His role has changed 3 times since he first claimed. First, he was one-shot vig. Then he was 1-shot vig that threw Lemon Grenades (which we know was a lie), and now he's one-shot vig with an unblockable shot.
And here's why I think that his unblockable shot theory doesn't make sense: even if we up and lost our minds right now and decided that we should lynch S&B today. What happens when S&B flips town? Does that necessarily make Drazerk scum? No, and he knows that, and I believe he could argue it. There are so many possible things that could have happened that we have no way of knowing what actually happened.
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##vote: Drazerk
I think there are too many things that he has done that just don't make sense.
Call it "protecting S&B" if you want. If Draz does somehow flip town, and town decides that either me or S&B needs to be lynched tomorrow, then so be it.
But I'm going with my gut that I don't think S&B is going to flip town.
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On October 08 2012 05:51 Keirathi wrote:
##vote: Drazerk
I think there are too many things that he has done that just don't make sense.
Call it "protecting S&B" if you want. If Draz does somehow flip town, and town decides that either me or S&B needs to be lynched tomorrow, then so be it.
But I'm going with my gut that I don't think S&B is going to flip town.
I mean, I don't think Draz is going to flip town.
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Sorry I'm not posting.
I'm happy (or at least content) with my vote. I'm still readong, so if someone comes up with something brilliant, I'll respond, but otherwise I'm watching football.
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On October 08 2012 07:11 Drazerk wrote:
Also bonus points if you can tell me what all of those gifs have in common
They're animated.
I WIN!
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Oh no, not terminated 
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So, I've been sitting here staring at the reply box for like an hour now, trying to wrap my head around this game.
And I cant. I literally just have nothing.
The only person, aside from S&B, that I would even give any sort of town read to right now is HiroPro.
My brain feels like its fried, and I'm pretty damn frustrated.
I've come to the conclusion that I am just a terrible player when it comes to playing town.
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On October 08 2012 13:08 gonzaw wrote:
I'll admit not everything you say is "bad", but most of it, or at least what I notice whenever I see your posts is.
If it's the stuff about iamperfection, or being "wishy-washy" on D1, or "blue-fishing", yes they are not "completely stupid points", but I explained myself on them.
I just want to say that just because you come up with an explanation for something doesn't mean that people are going to suddenly start thinking its not scummy, Anyone can rationalize an explanation for something after-the-fact.
If that was all it took to get people not to vote you, then very few scum would ever get lynched.
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What? Did you seriously just say that I haven't been trying?
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So...you don't remember my points about ghost being black scum, that you asked for? Or my whole case about you being black scum? Or why I thought Drazerk was red scum?
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First, I just said a few hours ago that I thought Hiro was town. You even replied to me.
Second: Fine, I'll make a list, since that seems to be what you want.
Hiro & S&B: Town.
Gonzaw: My top candidate for BS atm based on interactions with Crossfire. Point about the iamp unvote could be possible red scum motivated, but some other things fit better from a BS perspective (all the town reads, being obsessed with BS once crossfire flipped, etc) of wanting to stay hidden and keep yourself alive.
austin: Could be either. The key thing that gives me a weird feeling from him is the way that he hasn't really been the leading factor in any of the lynches. He hasn't really committed to any reads or pushes until other people start pushing them (me day 1, nisani day 2, and even Drazerk/you on day3). Specifically on day3, he just kept pushing evidence for both cases without ever saying which one he thought was more likely to be scum until I specifically asked him.
ghost: possibly either, with some (possibly too obvious) connections with Crossfire. Could be red because of trying to start a late bandwagon on me day 1, could be black because of the connections.
Mattchew: Someone made the comment about town Mattchew would actively be scumhunting, while scum Mattchew would either bus his teamates or lurk (both of which he did in Can't Believe). However, I'm not sure I can believe that scum Matt would lead the bus on godfather/JOAT day 1. MAYBE RS. BS is another story, because he could play exactly like he's town and actively scumhunt, and lynching RS day 1 under his leadership certainly gave him room to stand back and stop contributing. Also fits with him making a case and pushing S&B on day 2. In order of his chances: BS > town > RS
Jingle: I honestly have no fucking clue.
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ghost didn't put any effort into his "reads"
He made a big wall of text post to basically say "Hiro and Jingle have been worthless this game therefore they are BS. Matt can't be BS because I've already filled BS up, so hes town. Therefore gonzaw and Jingle are red".
That you keep referring to that as something substantial is boggling to my mind.
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Also, I just want to note that trying to figure out entire scumteams is an exercise in futility. One scum at a time please.
Anyways, I think that we should be lynching austin tomorrow.
He hasn't had a single "unique" read or push. Every single thing that he's done this game has been piggybacking off of someone else's arguments and adding fuel to them.
Just look through his filter. Not a single time has he been a leading factor in a push, just comes in after-the-fact with more evidence to push it along.
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EPT
