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gonzaw
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strongandbig
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Let me think for a minute | ||
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JingleHell
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On October 11 2012 09:31 gonzaw wrote: Yo Jingle once you are done doing your hosting stuff from Looney Mafia chime in. Well, we know someone is lying about their role and/or alignment, and I've got my money on you. That said, my reads are shot to shit right now. Been a screwy couple of days, so I'm only partway caught up right now. So yeah. I still want you dead. You've played anti-town, and your "admission" of an anti-town wincon screams "daredevil gambit". | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 11 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote: You mean you're going to point me at Matt? Let me think for a minute Yea, that's what I meant. | ||
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gonzaw
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How about the fact that I successfully determined ghost visited Hiro on N2 when the swap occurred before ghost claimed he did? Am I scumbuddies with ghost or did I get a lucky guess? Or maybe I'm so smart that I saw the ghost-Hiro swap before everybody else and correctly guessed what happened that night in order to make that claim? Also how about the fact that coincidentally my check on austin last night didn't contradict anything? You think I knew what austin's role was before claiming he visited Hiro/Keirathi? Or did I get lucky again? Or maybe I am a tracker BS/RS? How about all the "crumbs" I left all over the place in that explanation I made in my post? You are telling me I planned claiming that Nisani visited Mementos ever since N2 (or D3 if you get picky)? That is a hell of a fake-breadcrumb for claiming something that doesn't make sense. Do you want me to believe you think the answer to all these questions is "yeah you faked that you scum"? I don't think I could quite believe that unless you make a very good argument. You have all the time in the world this N4 to determine why I am scum Jingle, so I'd advice you use it and not go lurking/inactive You also better visit austin tonight Jingle, and austin better not drop dead ...yeah I think that's kind of a flaw with this whole "track Jingles" plan, dunno how we'll solve it. Having a medic on austin is a possibility. If Jingle is scum and decides to visit someone else, I'll see him visiting him. If he decides to not shoot, I'll see him not visit anybody. If he decides to kill austin and then claim "obviously scum killed austin since they knew I was visiting him!", then austin will be saved and there will be no night kill, so everything fine, another "free" day to lynch scum. Again the worst case scenario is that he's that Framer-GF. You also haven't answered my question: Why did you drop by just to claim and disappear and paid no attention to the post where I claimed? From your POV I was scum fake-claiming to create chaos; and also avoid getting lynched and have most people believe me (which I did! If I was scum and you town you would have been pretty terrible at your job Jingle), so why didn't you at least mention my claim? Again, it was a gigantic post filled with colors and blue bolded asterisks all over. It was impossible to miss...like at all. | ||
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Keirathi
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I recommend that you protect gonzaw, so that his track goes through and we at least have some kind of information. If he's not town tracker, then our only town information role was a watcher and a super conditional uncontrollable Role Cop. | ||
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JingleHell
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gonzaw
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On October 11 2012 10:30 Keirathi wrote: @S&B: I recommend that you protect gonzaw, so that his track goes through and we at least have some kind of information. If he's not town tracker, then our only town information role was a watcher and a super conditional uncontrollable Role Cop. But what if austin dies tonight and I get that Jingle visited austin? I'm 100% sure that's what will happen if there is 0 medic saves on austin and austin is not RS (whether JH is RS or not). If I am to track Jingle austin should be protected or scum should fear he's protected so scum doesn't shoot him. I also need to be protected to get my check... And matt needs to be protected because he's Chell and all that shit. ....yeah we are short on medics tonight :/ WIFOMing between all of us may be the better option (as long as S&B+Kei don't target the same person). Try again Jingle Strike nº1 Once I get to Strike nº3 I'll 100% ignore everything you say and tunnel you until you die. Well, I may not ignore things that I deem important to try and get you lynched of course. | ||
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gonzaw
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JingleHell
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And he goes back to the tired old threats of tunneling me till I'm dead. What happened to the last time you were going to do that? Oh wait, you went back to reading me as town, because you're scum, and I seemed like the safest person to call confirmed, since even scum need to do that occasionally and nobody wanted to listen. | ||
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gonzaw
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JingleHell
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On October 11 2012 10:54 gonzaw wrote: Strike nº2 | ||
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gonzaw
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Okay people, tomorrow we lynch JingleHell no matter what. (I want that big for emphasis) It should be obvious by now the reason why. He cares shit about the game and cares shit about finding scum. He doesn't even care about trying to get me lynched and convincing people I'm scum even though I'm his "biggest scumread" ever since Day.Mother.Fucking.One. I'm his greatest read yet he can't find the time or effort to attack the points I make or the points other people make for me being town. He doesn't give a shit he just wants to vote me as soon as D5 starts and survive as long as possible. I "fake-claim" the most epic claim in mafia history and avoid getting lynched and get like 99% of the thread convinced I'm town (or at least not convinced I'm scum) except for the flipped scum ghost, and of course our friend Jingle here....but oh wait: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=72#1437 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=73#1454 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=73#1458 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=73#1459 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=74#1461 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=74#1464 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=74#1469 Why don't you CTRL+F "gonzaw" there? Yep, I make that super claim yet he doesn't find the time and doesn't give enough shit to address it, even though it was this post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=71#1402 2nd post of the page? Check Biggest post in the game? Check It starts and ends with blue bolded asteriks so it's impossible to miss? Check It has a million of colors and fonts and formats so it's impossible to miss if you skim it? Check It is impossible Jingle missed it, yet he didn't mention it at all, even though he had enough time to post 7 times afterwards and greatly discuss his role. You would have thought that trying to get your "Greatest scumread in all history of mafia" lynched would be the most important task in your book if it's near end-game and that player made a fantastic claim almost everybody fell for; not claiming out of nowhere and spending 100% of your effort trying to convince people your role can't be a scum role You know what other thing? Yep, he spent those 7 posts of his explaining how his role can't belong to a Black Mesa member. Any mention of Aperture Science? No. Any mention about anything else at all? No Did he give a shit about anything else other than his own survival? No Just 7 posts explaining why his role is "overpowered" for a BS to have (or just as scum to have). You know Jingle, you are right, that role is "OP" for scum to have, therefore the only explanation is that you are fake-claiming it and you have a different scum role. Fuck the town read I had for most of this game, I won't stand up for more bullshit right now fearing Jingle is just a misled townie or some shit. Jingle is a member of the Aperture Science Team and has to die If you want speculation about whether he fake-claimed or not read this: On October 10 2012 10:58 gonzaw wrote: Hey....I had a thought, let's see where it goes: What if Jingle is an Aperture Science Framer?. He can choose what check/report can come from a player he chooses. On N1 he chose Nisani and made it so he visited Mementos (if there is a framer role that wanted to frame Nisani it has to be from RS since BS didn't know Mementos would get killed due to their lack of factional KP and I think almost any KP whasoever), which explains my report. Now, he claims he's "bulletproof guy that always visits austin at night to hide". He claimed this after I claimed tracker. If he's RS, he knows that I can track him at night now (and be un-RBeable and maybe bulletproof if Kei/S&B target me), so he could get instantly caught. To survive my reports he'd need to not shoot at night....which would be weird and still scummy if I say I'm going to track him. Therefore he claimed a role that only visits austin at night and if I see him visit austin at night it "confirms" him as town if we believe what he told us... ...but what if he frames himself every night from now on and makes any track report from him say he visited austin? Even if he chooses to shoot someone unrelated at night (maybe Keirathi for instance), my track report will say he visited austin, therefore "confirming" his role, and of course justifying him living so long at night (i.e scum not killing him) since "scum wouldn't shoot a bulletproof hider". Didn't really have a scum read on Jingle but fuck scumreads right now they didn't do me any good until now. Let's speculate! What do you guys think of this possibility? Granted austin could do something similar with a framer ability (i.e frame himself so he visits an "unrelated" target, someone different than who he shoots). Meh, seems improbable that a framer can frame himself, but really...what other explanation could there be for my N1 report and the lack of "scummy" claims so far? (i.e claims that can be refuted, etc) If you want some scum motivation for his actions this game read this: On October 10 2012 12:33 gonzaw wrote: ?? My point is that if he's scum he could act batshit crazy to stir off suspicion of iamperfection but have everybody ignore it since he'd act like that as town However I've read some of his previous games (PTP3 for instance) so I can see him doing that as town as well. Which is why I didn't really pay attention to it. It did give me more townie vibes than scummy vibes since it didn't really seem to push a scum agenda and if it did it was so obvious it wouldn't have worked at all. One reason would be preservation like Keirathi said before. If he's the sole remaining RS, who would benefit from the chaos he created if it gets him lynched? Black Mesa would benefit, that's it. If he's the sole remaining RS it would make sense to just keep up whatever he's doing with me to "hide" in plain sight without having to do anything important all game (just accuse me, start a shitstorm with me every now and then, vote me and be desinterested of the rest of the game). Well...if I put it like that it seems like he's super scummy...again the thing is that some of his posts and reasonings seemed genuine, and again he seemed to go against me because he genuinely thought I was scum rather than go against me to justify his vote/activity (at first, on N1-D2). Could be...or maybe not. I have no idea. Oh, one more thing: If JingleHell is scum this game I'm going to policy lynch or tunnel the hell out of everybody that tunnels me for more than 2 cycles without properly explaining themselves. If he's scum no more "damn he could just be bad town" from me. Scum doing that to me pisses me off (specially when it works) since I feel they are taking advantage of me. Townies doing that to me pisses me off as well because I can't realize if they are scum taking advantage of me (and also because of the whole in-game stuff). If you want to convince yourself he's scum read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174&user=159089 Also Keirathi and other people wrote plenty of shit about him and phrased it better than me (about his contributions and shit), so read that as well. He might be BS, but his actions towards the D1 lynch where he tried to spout bullshit and chaos by disrupting the iamperfection lynch, never mentioning iamperfection at all even though he could have easily jumped on his lynch if he was a Black Mesa member, all point fingers towards him being RS instead On October 10 2012 02:27 JingleHell wrote: Also, if we have a vigi with bullets, confirming me tonight wouldn't be so bad. Shit maybe he's even a scum vet like ghost is and wants us to waste a vig bullet if there is one. ...or he's just talking his ass off since every townie has already claimed by that point and nobody had claimed vig so he's 100% sure he can't get shot, since I'm sure he concluded that BS have no KP left. Therefore why not try to catch a little bit more of town cred by suggesting someone shoots him at night? Again, what would be the town motivation for that? If a vig shoots him the vig loses his bullet. Why would he want a vig to lose his bullet on D5 (this is not D1 people) instead of having the vig...I dunno SHOOT ME, HIS GREATEST SCUM READ EVER????? Biggest contradiction of interests ever.... Oh yeah, I forgot to mention his claim is the safest claim in the game. He claims he's bulletproof at night while austin is alive, and always visits austin at night, and does nothing else. If that doesn't sound like the most convenient claim ever then I'll fucking tapdance naked on top of a bus going downhill. You know what? I may not even track him tonight, he'll be dead by the D5 lynch and flip RS so no need to waste my track ability on him. What I can do is try to use my track ability to maybe confirm some "townie" players who claimed night actions didn't lie about their role trying to find the remaining BS if there is one. | ||
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gonzaw
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JingleHell
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Did I do it right? | ||
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gonzaw
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You'll be terminated scum. You will be terminated | ||
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gonzaw
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JingleHell
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On October 11 2012 11:46 gonzaw wrote: You don't fuck with me all game and get away with it unharmed. You'll be terminated scum. You will be terminated You can't honestly tell me this is a town mentality? Where one of his biggest (if utterly inconsistent, like most of them) town reads is concerned? Revenge because he's tired of being accused of being scum, when he claims a scummy role, a scummy wincon, and somehow it's strange I've thought he was scum all game, and he should push for the lynch of his townread? No, that's scum behavior. Nuff said. I've made cases against him over and over, I've beat my head against the wall arguing it, over and over. And I guess he's decided that he should freak out and go for some balls out chainsaw defense. Lynch him, already. | ||
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Keirathi
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JingleHell
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On October 11 2012 11:55 Keirathi wrote: Hey Jingle, where were you all day while I was trying to get you lynched? Otherwise occupied. RL shit, mostly. | ||
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