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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 10 2012 23:22 GMT
#1641
Also: I'm inclined to believe ghost's green check on Jingle. BS ghost was under pressure. If he has a red check on Jingle, does he really lie just to keep the RS alive? Maybe, if theres a third BS because he needs townies to die. But would that overwrite his "get towncred" mentality?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 10 2012 23:23 GMT
#1642
Or rather: I'm inclined to believe that ghost had a green check on Jingle. I don't know what other factors were in play that could have given him a false read, but I believe that he believed it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
October 10 2012 23:24 GMT
#1643
He would need to explain why he didn't start going after jingle immediately, though. And it would have probably been in black scum's interest to not get rid of red scum right away.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 10 2012 23:26 GMT
#1644
Oh right, if he said he had had a red check in jingle since night1 and never done anything about it, that would have been weird.

Never mind, carry on.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#1645
If you're worried about JH, Gonzaw should track him tonight. We can see if he's up to anything, unless he's some kind of combo godfather untrackable role. Even if he were that, he's probably black. I could see 1 GF per side, but not 2 red GFs.
Fe fi fo fum.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 10 2012 23:28 GMT
#1646
Yeah it's the only thing that makes sense (specially since people may notice him changing positions and find it weird and put attention onto him).

Maybe after Draz checked town he backed off, but if Draz had checked RS he would have gone against him...
...another thought is: Should we trust his other reports? Basically JH being town and Kei being town as well.
Obvious answer is no....but if he was the last BS on the verge of losing he would have given correct information to town to gain more town cred perhaps?
If he's not the last BS he could have fucked with us though, and maybe he checked other people instead of those 2 (maybe he didn't check Hiro last night at all and that's why he fumbled trying to explain his action last night considering Matt's bus....if this is the case then Matt isn't BS since if he was they would have planned it and not let ghost get caught in that lie).

On October 11 2012 08:15 Keirathi wrote:
Yea I'm sort of leaning towards a third black scum.

But, kill RS first. If we kill RS and its not end-game, then we worry about it.


Okay

...Mattchew you are not confirmed town anymore sorry.

I can already picture the flavour of it:

+ Show Spoiler [Matt's role PM] +

Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition!
You are Chell
Gordon Freeman and Dr.Kleiner infiltrated the Aperture Science labs, and saw a beautiful lady lying in the floor of a test chamber.
They took her to a secret den and healed her wounds (from lasers and shit). After she regained consciousness she saw Freeman into his eyes: it was love at first sight.
After making passionate mute teleporting love inside a portal, Chell agreed to help Freeman and Kleiner to take down Aperture labs and everybody inside them.
"Yo know, fuck Wheatly and that Rattman guy, and also Cave Johnson for making this place in the first place. Those 2 robot guys that are doing tests too, fuck them, let's fuck some shit up" were her words as they teamed up to fuck some shit up.

You win when your Black Mesa team outnumbers all other players in the game


Being serious though...if they were BS I think they would have thought about ghost's claim a little bit better and not have both of them contradict their own claims/fake-claims (as I remember ghost contradicted himself with the Hiro/Keirathi check from N3 right?)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 10 2012 23:30 GMT
#1647
...you will then use this data to determine the alignment of the player directly below you in the player list.


Nevermind I'm an idiot that doesn't read.
He couldn't have checked anybody else other than JH on N1 (unless he had swapped positions by then and nobody noticed..? >_>) and Keirathi on N3.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 10 2012 23:33 GMT
#1648
Basically we can't trust ghost's information because he almost certainly would have lied about it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 10 2012 23:34 GMT
#1649
EBWOP: I mean, would have lied about it if he had a red check. Especially if the check was on Jingle day 1.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 10 2012 23:35 GMT
#1650
If all of his actions are true and proven by his role PM, would Mattchew really be BS with him, be in his QT arguing but not being able to figure out wtf happened between them on N3?
I mean, ghost did check Keirathi on N3 (or maybe he didn't and faked it later?)

If Matt is BS and he faked his N3 report....wouldn't ghost know about it so he doesn't fuck up and would actually say "I got that Hiro was town/RS/BS on N3"?
If Matt is BS and didn't fake his N3 report, wouldn't they know there was something wrong as soon as D4 hits, and thus they had done something to tackle it before claiming? I.e ghost would claim knowing full and well that his real check doesn't make sense, therefore he'd try to make some argument or even lie or something, he wouldn't forget about that until he's already on the chopping block.

THere are those posts:

On October 10 2012 23:56 ghost_403 wrote:
Alright, I'm a Malfunctioning sentry turret. GLaDOS swapped my turrets with a portal gun, so I can swap places with peoples at night. Also, I can check the alignment of the person below me on the player list. Night 1, I didn't move and checked JingleHell. Night 2, I swapped with HiroPro and checked Drazerk. Night 3, I guess I stayed where I was at and checked Keirathi.


On October 11 2012 06:22 ghost_403 wrote:
What? No. I swapped with Hiro Night 2. Going into Day 3, I had the check on draz. Going into Day 4, I had the check on you.

That's all I know. Either Mattchew is lying about the bus, or the bus doesn't go through because my action is passive or something. My PM says that I check Keirathi Night 3. I'm assuming that in the event of a bus, it would have read that I checked HiroPro instead. Let me check.



So, according to this: Can we assume Mattchew is not BS?

Again considering Mattchew is Chell, by his D1 actions and my role PM we can safely assume he is not RS.

...so does this prove Mattchew is 99% town?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 10 2012 23:44 GMT
#1651
I'm not actually sure that Matt's bussing had any effect in ghost's checks. They seemed to be a passive thing and maybe ignored bussing?

I mean, assuming you are telling the truth about YOUR night 2 actions when you tracked ghost, he only visited Hiro, not Hiro and Drazerk. And the role description says he "analyzes the data" to find their alignment, which is different from other role PMs that say "Each night you may target XXX and do YYY".
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 10 2012 23:55 GMT
#1652
Yeah it's possible. His role PM never says he visits or does any action on the guy below him. The "action" that makes him possible to DT check the guy below him is swapping via portals to a place above him.

Well yeah, it did seem like ghost legitimately checked Keirathi. The point is that if Matt is telling the truth and is his BS scumbuddy...wouldn't they have figured that out sooner and not just when ghost was 5 hours away from getting lynched?
ghost would have claimed in his 1st post "I got a check on Keirathi, although I don't know what happened with that bus thing Mattchew did bla bla bla" to avoid giving conflicting reports and getting lynched for it (which is what happened basically).
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 11 2012 00:00 GMT
#1653
I think you're trying extremely hard to give Matt confirmed townie status.

If he said "I got a check on Keirathi. I don't know what happened with the bus, because Matt said he bussed Keir and Hiro, but my result specifically says I got a check on Keir", do you think people wouldn't have lynched Matt instead?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're really reaching for something to confirm Matt.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 11 2012 00:04 GMT
#1654
How about lying and saying he got a check on Hiro? Or saying his checks are bus-proof like Draz's ability?

There are plenty of ways to get out of that situation without just standing there not knowing what's happening and getting lynched for it.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're really reaching for something to confirm Matt.


The more confirmed townies the better. Specially if it's Chell who I don't want to die so people don't get paranoid about me.
Also to try and make sense of this situation and try to have less suspects for the remaining BS (if there is one)
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#1655
Lol dat flip
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
October 11 2012 00:16 GMT
#1656
G.
G.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 11 2012 00:24 GMT
#1657
Yo I should be protected and I'm not bussin nobody tonight
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 11 2012 00:25 GMT
#1658
gordonxalyxotp

On October 11 2012 08:28 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah it's the only thing that makes sense (specially since people may notice him changing positions and find it weird and put attention onto him).

Maybe after Draz checked town he backed off, but if Draz had checked RS he would have gone against him...
...another thought is: Should we trust his other reports? Basically JH being town and Kei being town as well.
Obvious answer is no....but if he was the last BS on the verge of losing he would have given correct information to town to gain more town cred perhaps?
If he's not the last BS he could have fucked with us though, and maybe he checked other people instead of those 2 (maybe he didn't check Hiro last night at all and that's why he fumbled trying to explain his action last night considering Matt's bus....if this is the case then Matt isn't BS since if he was they would have planned it and not let ghost get caught in that lie).

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 08:15 Keirathi wrote:
Yea I'm sort of leaning towards a third black scum.

But, kill RS first. If we kill RS and its not end-game, then we worry about it.


Okay

...Mattchew you are not confirmed town anymore sorry.

I can already picture the flavour of it:

+ Show Spoiler [Matt's role PM] +

Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition!
You are Chell
Gordon Freeman and Dr.Kleiner infiltrated the Aperture Science labs, and saw a beautiful lady lying in the floor of a test chamber.
They took her to a secret den and healed her wounds (from lasers and shit). After she regained consciousness she saw Freeman into his eyes: it was love at first sight.
After making passionate mute teleporting love inside a portal, Chell agreed to help Freeman and Kleiner to take down Aperture labs and everybody inside them.
"Yo know, fuck Wheatly and that Rattman guy, and also Cave Johnson for making this place in the first place. Those 2 robot guys that are doing tests too, fuck them, let's fuck some shit up" were her words as they teamed up to fuck some shit up.

You win when your Black Mesa team outnumbers all other players in the game


Being serious though...if they were BS I think they would have thought about ghost's claim a little bit better and not have both of them contradict their own claims/fake-claims (as I remember ghost contradicted himself with the Hiro/Keirathi check from N3 right?)

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 11 2012 00:31 GMT
#1659
Yo Jingle once you are done doing your hosting stuff from Looney Mafia chime in.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 11 2012 00:31 GMT
#1660
I'm going to protect Matt.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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