EPTOn October 05 2012 07:44 Mattchew wrote:
draz and anyone else please vote no lynch
draz and anyone else please vote no lynch
If it gets to 4, I will. Otherwise, I can't let S&B die.
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If it gets to 4, I will. Otherwise, I can't let S&B die. | ||
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I can't protect KP, therefore I'm less valuable than him. And Nisani is less valuable than me, because at best he's a coinflip. And you're right. I don't KNOW his alignment. But the wording of my role PM highly suggests that we're on the same team. I have no reason to vote for him when there is literally anyone else to vote for. | ||
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On October 05 2012 07:51 Drazerk wrote: They may of written it like that to trick you. Kill him. Remind me never to sign up for a game you're in again. Thanks! | ||
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Whenever (if?) I flip at the deadline, read my role PM closely and decide for yourselves if you think there's any room for interpretting it as us being of different alignments. I honestly don't believe there is. So, if you come to the same conclusion I did, S&B is 99.9% confirmed down. If anyone has any KP protection, for the love of god use it on him. | ||
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So your list is: Town: strongandbig HiroPro Keirathi ghost_403 JingleHell austinmcc Crossfire99 gonzaw Maybe: Drazerk ??: Mattchew That seems...pretty unlikely? | ||
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Right now, I feel like you're both shitting up the thread and both of you are looking scummy for it. | ||
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On October 05 2012 14:01 JingleHell wrote: Would you prefer to see a "pretty" case against him? And now for the real question. Will you ACTUALLY read it objectively, or would I be wasting my time? Fact, gonzaw's little "get u lynched scrub" threats don't scare me, I'm town, an all-in probably favors us. So if someone else wants it and actually plans to read it and consider it, I'll post a "proper" case. If it's just going to get dismissed out of hand, can you blame me for not wanting to waste a pisston of time? Of course I'll read it. To be perfectly honest, I have points that I plan to make against both of you, but its too late tonight to get started so it will have to come in the morning. The more solid information, the better IMO. | ||
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One other thing (besides the whole Nisani thing that I mentioned way earlier in day2, that I still think holds merit. He defended himself, but its still scummy regardless of what he says after-the-fact), is how gonzaw, while writing pretty large walls of text, has said throughout the game "I'm in a hurry so I can't explain this right now, ask me about it and I'll explain later". Which, I could understand, under normal circumstances. But nearly every time he's said it, its been in a large post that obviously took time to write. Not necessarily scummy, but its definitely struck me as odd. However, I think we should be lynching Drazerk today. First off, the whole "fight with S&B" thing is such an easy thing to hide behind if he rolled scum. And, ironically, if he rolled scum, who would be the most likely to get him lynched? S&B. So, what has he done? 1) Pushed S&B day 1 2) Claimed to have shot S&B night 1 3) Pushed S&B day 2 4) Still wants to lynch either S&B or me on night 2 Literally everything that he has done in this game has been about eliminated S&B. I'm still not willing to divulge my powers, but if I die, then it gives scum a free kill on S&B, so you can see where 1) that benefits Drazerk and 2) I take offense to wanting to kill the only 99% confirmed town I have in this game. His entire game has felt like purely self-preservation, rather than helping the town win. | ||
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On October 06 2012 04:35 Drazerk wrote: Killing me is self preservation of yourself Kei.... No, killing you is trying to help the town win because I know who two townies are and you're willing to kill both of them off. You just want to kill S&B because you don't like him. There's a remarkable difference in the mindsets here, IMO. | ||
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On October 06 2012 04:41 gonzaw wrote: @Keirathi: I was getting that feel after reading some filters and reasserting town reads I had (haven't finished yet), but I want to ask you one question: S&B got shot, Drazerk claimed the shot as 1-shot vigilante, and nobody else did. We can assume then that no other townie shot S&B, and it was Drazerk either way, right? If Drazerk didn't shoot him, then he's lying, therefore he's scum, but scum shot him and that includes Drazerk; therefore Drazerk shot him. My question is: did Drazerk shoot S&B or Hiro? (S&B claimed he protected Hiro). Unless Drazerk is 3rd party SK I don't see why he'd kill S&B as scum. I mean, scum would waste 2 KP on Mementos and S&B? I don't think I buy that. So basically: is Drazerk 3rd party who killed S&B so S&B didn't get on his ass (or maybe even shot Hiro as SK); or is Drazerk scum and shot Hiro? (or of course another explanation if you have one) Third party with KP is definitely an option. But, I think this is all too much speculation considering we literally have no idea what the roles in this game are. There are literally a mountain of possibilities. There could be a Portal Gun role (aka something like a bus driver), you're forgetting the fact that whoever I target with my role S&B also targets so that person could have been shot and triggered S&Bs hit notifications, etc etc. Look at Drazerk's explanation for wanting to lynch S&B midway through day 2. He kept screaming "I shot S&B and he survived". But he didn't claim the shot before S&B claimed that he (or his target, or my target...we literally have no idea) was hit. I wouldn't think it would be that big of a stretch to claim that you were the one that made that hit and since he survived you believe him to be a BP scum if you yourself were scum. S&B already had some momentum going, he just needed to add a little fuel to the fire, and when S&B flipped town, its not like he would have even been wrong about S&B surviving the shot, just on his conclusion. But for a little more clarification, a question for S&B: Does your role PM say anything about you specifically surviving shots yourself? Or only giving protection to your targets? | ||
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On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote: I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote: No sb I shot you T_T I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that. | ||
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On October 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote: IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying. Was ambiguous the first time. Wat. S&B was the one who claimed his ambiguous night action went through. Which is the post I quoted. It was 24 hours later before Drazak claimed that it was a shot on S&B. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. On October 04 2012 16:19 Drazerk wrote: S+B you should probably claim what happened to you last night that would probably help things. On October 05 2012 01:16 strongandbig wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm town, not third party. Sorry that I've been busy. I've been basically trying to avoid being modkilled. I was at home on vacation and spending time with my family and friends. Now I'm back at work and adjusting to jetlag, so still not the best playing conditions, but hopefully a little better. I really do think that nisani is scum though. I'll roleclaim. I am ATLAS. I breadcrumbed this earlier when I /shrugged. My role is "reverse hider" - basically it's a bodyguard, I have extra lives and if my target gets shot I take the hit instead. Last night I took a scum hit that was aimed at someone else. I can do the same thing tonight. My role says that since P-BODY and I are "so in sync", whoever P-BODY targets with their ability I also target with my ability. I don't know what P-BODY's ability is, however, and I don't know if their ability also targets the person I target my ability at. So I know that last night I took a hit that was aimed at someone else. However, I don't know if it was aimed at the person I targeted, beacuse it could have been aimed at the person P-BODY targeted. I don't even know if P-BODY is town. I am working on the assumption that they are, however, since having my power target a scum target doesn't make much sense to me. It's possible though. I also am assuming that P-BODY is town because of flavor - ATLAS and P-BODY are test takers, and GLaDOS's flavor as well as mine indicate that the town is the people taking the tests, and the scum are the people making the tests. I'm unsure whether P-BODY should claim at this point. On the one hand, it would mean outing themselves - although they don't necessarily have to claim what their power is, and since everyone in this game probably has a power of some sort it wouldn't necessarily mean they're making themselves a scum blue-snipe target. But since I don't know P-BODY is town, he doesn't know if I'm town either. All he could confirm is if he knows that the ATLAS role exists, and if the thing I'm saying about targets is true if he also has that. If he is also town then he could also confirm my flavor speculation, about the test-makers being scum and the test-takers being town. If you believe that line of reasoning, then ATLAS and P-BODY have to be town if those roles exist, and therefore confirming that the roles exist would help people not lynch me. So for the moment, I think P-BODY should wait to see how people react to the roleclaim and only claim themselves if it looks like I'm still the main lynch target and they think claiming would help keep me from getting lynched. On October 05 2012 01:29 Drazerk wrote: No sb I shot you T_T | ||
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On October 06 2012 07:40 Drazerk wrote: He said that because he won't take in the possibility his team mate is an alternate alignment to him which is really common with bodyguard roles. I like to be judged on what happens in game not what I do from game to game. Give me some examples? And don't say Bastard. This isn't Bastard, nor is it hosted by the the same people who hosted Bastard. And you said that the hosts were lying to me via my role PM. I just went through the entire fucking list of Aperture 1 role PMs, and not a single one hinted at one thing but meant another. It was always specific, even down to House Chezinu where it said "Be careful, your brothers might not be trustworthy." Basically you are fearmongering for no reason other than to shit up the thread and discredit me and S&B. And nothing about that is pro-town. | ||
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On October 06 2012 08:07 gonzaw wrote: Keriathi, S&B, did you get hit/did something happen? I'm still waiting for HiroPro I don't get any notifications for my role. Since it doesn't really matter now, I am an anti-roleblocker. The person I target (and additionally, the person that ATLAS targets) is immune to roleblocks for the night. | ||
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##Vote: Drazerk I've already explained my reasoning. Nothing he has done this game has been pro-town, only pro-Drazerk. | ||
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On October 06 2012 08:14 Drazerk wrote: Stop caring about yourself and die for the good of the town Sure, if it means that you get lynched no questions asked tomorrow after I flip town. | ||
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On October 06 2012 08:22 Drazerk wrote: Yes I'm the jerk not the fact S+B + Kei basically teamed up against me very early on and everyone in the universe knows i'm an easy lynch and thats why I stay alive. Holy fucking misrepresentation, Batman. I said I thought you were town day 1. And I didn't "team up" against you until well into day 2 after you started pushing for the only person that I can be almost certain is townie, and then you pretended to throw a Lemon Grenade at me. | ||
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On October 06 2012 10:25 austinmcc wrote: They might not be same faction. But we won't know until/unless we flip BOTH of them. If we lynch snb and he's town, that doesn't tell us what keirathi is. If we flip keirathi and he's town, it doesn't tell us what snb is. Drazerk's whole worry is that they're not same alignment, yet he wants to flip one of them. Flipping one would be great if BOTH are scum. Flipping one is BAD if both are town AND doesn't tell us the alignment of the other. Flipping one is...mixed if one is scum and one is town, because if we flip town we don't know about scum and if we flip scum we probably flip the other guy and he's town? I dunno. That's one thing I'll think on. But the whole "let's flip one GOGOGOGO" routine doesn't feel townie. I already explained why I think there is a 0.01% chance that we are different factions. 1) Everything in my role PM suggests that we're on the same team. From being buddies, to being test takers (compared to GlaDOS being a test giver), to helping other solve tests, and that we were so in synch that we work together with our actions. 2) In Aperture 1, NONE of the role PMs that mentioned other players were that concrete but ended up being a lie. When the PMs told you who your buddies were, you knew who they were. The flip side of this was, when there was ambiguity in the faction of your parters (House Chezinu), it was specifically stated (something to the effect of "Be careful, the other members of House Chezinu aren't necessarily trustworthy!"). 3) We have both claimed our roles (he being a multi-life bodyguard, and me being an anti-roleblock). Those things just fit together so well, that I see very little chance of them being different alignments. Together we are powerful, but working towards different goals would make our combined power of targetting each others targets bad for each others win-con (ie, if he's scum and I'm town, what if I make him bodyguard the person he intends to kill with his factional KP?). 4) If only one of us is scum, why didn't he kill the other of us last night? Lets pretend S&B is a scum ATLAS. I just "confirmed" him as town with my claim, and the medic/watcher was just killed. Would I be protected at night? Probably not. So S&B has a free shot at me, and I flip town, making him look even better. So, no. I don't really think its possible at all at this point that we are different factions. | ||
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On October 06 2012 11:00 gonzaw wrote: @Keirathi: ORRRR.... maybe you guys can just read that post I made that has nothing to do with your role PMs. Your post made some logic leaps that I didn't agree with. 3)Once of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is town: Again. If S&B is scum, same reasoning (why would he claim?). If he claimed I could see town Keirathi claiming though. If Keirathi is scum....again why claim? Let S&B get lynched. I don't think his claim would have made less sense if he was scum. He felt enough pressure that he claimed. That doesn't change whether you are town or scum. IF S&B was red scum, didn't know there was a black team, and none of his teammates were P-Body, then I think his first assumption would be "Okay, P-Body is town". And with a town P-Body to back up his claim, he gets pressure off of him and some town cred. Then he could kill me at night and have a confirmed green flip that gives 100% merit to his claim. Again, I don't find that at all likely, but that's what I didn't use your explanation. | ||
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