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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 02 2012 05:36 ghost_403 wrote: IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment. Do you think that he would misrepresent you the way that he did as town? | ||
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HiroPro
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HiroPro
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@Crossfire: You know, the fact that you forgot it's plurality lynch and not majority lynch actually makes you look worse, since you parked your vote on iamperfection and left. If you were scum maybe you thought there would be a NL so you thought iamperfection was safe before disappearing. If anything that makes him more likely to be town, gonzaw. Scum would probably know the voting rules considering they have teammates... | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 03 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: HiroPro, how about you, any update on this? You're kind of giving me the same vibe mementoss is, although to a much lesser extent. You were around, it feels like you commented on more things than he did, and you voted iamperfection. Yet I didn't get a strong presence off of you, and there are some people you never really interact with. Like...what's your read on Gonzaw? I see these: but you never actually engage gonzaw in discussion. You just throw a question his way and reference a post of his. You'll have to wait till the deadline. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 03 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: HiroPro, how about you, any update on this? You're kind of giving me the same vibe mementoss is, although to a much lesser extent. You were around, it feels like you commented on more things than he did, and you voted iamperfection. Yet I didn't get a strong presence off of you, and there are some people you never really interact with. Like...what's your read on Gonzaw? I see these: but you never actually engage gonzaw in discussion. You just throw a question his way and reference a post of his. I think Mementoss is town. He was the first person to vote for perfection. I really don't see the scum motivation behind bussing such a powerful role on day 1, especially with the way the votes were, it just doesn't make sense. Your point about it being hard to switch off at the end isn't good, he could have easily switched off earlier. And I liked his point on you about how you had suspicions on keirathi but then didn't vote for him when you were talking about how it was important to consolidate. Your case on him reads to me like it's a little too "what is possible" and too focused on what he said about you. I don't really see how that stuff makes him suspicious. Mixed feelings on gonzaw, I need to see more from him. His thoughts and stuff seem mostly genuine to me. But he hasn't really sunk his teeth into a candidate the way that I would expect from town gonzaw, he's kind of wavered a lot more and been not in control as much as I expect from him. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
austin, I'd like to see a response to Mementoss's post on you. | ||
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HiroPro
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HiroPro
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Nisani, what exactly do you like about the case on s&b? also, I'm going to be kind of inactive until friday. i'll still be posting but just busy with work and hosting liquid city. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I want to lynch nisani. This was nisani's reason for thinking gonzaw's case on s&b (referring to that part of gonzaw's post on s&b's big day 1 reads post) is good: His case on snb is good because he actually pointed out what he did that was scummy: snb's lack of commitment in any of his posts. Even in his recent post he has a bunch of "maybe" reads. Scum don't like to commit. The thing is if you look at Nisani's other scum reads though, when you leave aside Drazerk who he's basically called scum the entire game on barely anything; all of his scummy reads are mostly "maybe reads". Ghost is stupid for voting Keirathi in the beginning. He has Mementoss on "his radar" and then never mentions him again for the rest of day 1.He tries to build up on gonzaw and then later he just backs off abruptly. There's no real backing behind any of these reads; they just exist momentarily then disappear. Then the way he defends himself from gonzaw and Mattchew strikes me as really scummy - he doesn't try to further explain how he's thinking about certain things or how his reads have formed, it's just biting back saying that the accusations are dumb. ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
s&b could be third party (either allied with another third-party or hoping that mafia will support a fakeclaim). I don't think he's mafia (unless it's a mirror role with a town person, which is really unlikely) - trying to tie yourself to another person as mafia like that when you can't be sure of their existence is beyond dumb. No one has claimed p-body so he's not scum that's trying to confirm himself and his partner. I think we should stick with the nisani lynch. If there is a p-body they should probably claim tomorrow. If no one claims p-body then, s&b's probably third party trying to get mafia to help him out. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 05 2012 05:28 Drazerk wrote: To keep myself alive longer which is pro town as you say so yourself. Why are you concerned about this? You're always the person who says that town should get rid of you at some point. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Mattchew is town. He voted for perfection, made what I thought was a good case then (not the kind of case you make just to distance yourself from a scum partner), and just seems consistently townie with his attitude and the way he's scumhunting. crossfire is probably town simply cause I don't think as a new player he would bus, especially not like that. And he would probably have known the voting rules if he was scum. leaning town on keirathi and austin. keirathi looked town to me from the beginning cause of the plan he had - it seemed real and not backing it up after the fact and his anger about having to claim and general attitude seem genuine to me. austin because of the way he's presenting his thoughts on people - he goes through like his entire process (especially that part where he talked about keirathi when responding to Mementoss's case) - that's a really hard thing to do as scum and I don't see him being able to do it. s&b shouldn't be lynched since he's linked with keirathi. I think drazerk is scum. He's ignored my question on why he was concerned about self-preservation (if you look at games he's played in the past, he almost always seems to say that town should just shoot him or get rid of him at some point since he's not very useful and hard to read). I know he said that (willing to die) as scum also in PTP3 but the situations aren't very similar. This is a mini where scum has already lost a very powerful role on day 1, not like PTP3 which was a big game. Self-preservation is something that mafia have to be concerned about. Then the way that his views regarding s&b have shifted strikes me as really unnatural (at first he says s&b is definitely scum cause he knows not to go after drazerk,then later drazerk says that he shot s&b to protect himself and then starts to fearmonger based on setup stuff). I'm leaning scum on gonzaw. the rolefishing stuff that people are talking about though is not very good - town gonzaw is fully capable of doing that also. gonzaw said earlier that if jinglehell doesn't present a good case on him (not like the stuff jinglehell was posting earlier about gonzaw, then jingle is scum. but now that jinglehell has made a case (which largely reads as if it is just everything that jinglehell had previously said about gonzaw in one cleaner post), and gonzaw has treated the case as if it was horrendous, gonzaw has done nothing to say that jinglehell is scum. instead he's continued to treat jinglehell as some kind of misguided townie. that's really the one thing that's making me think he's scum. in terms of his other behavior, i'm just not sure, i can see him doing them as either scum or town ( I took a look back through bureaucracy and his thoughts then too seemed genuine to me). | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Vote Drazerk On October 06 2012 07:55 gonzaw wrote: I'll answer against his suspicions anyways. I wanted him to make a case at all and commit. Yes the case may be "bad"....but meh how the hell am I supposed to react to Jingle? I get gut feelings he's town but he seems to purposefully try to antagonize me and dismiss everything I do every time i post something or respond to him. It's one of those times where you think "there's no way a townie would go at me like that and play like that", but then you think there are countless instances of townies doing that and you back down because, hell he might be one of those. Hiro, I take it you were away or something until right now? You said you were going to be inactive until friday. yea, i've been busy. but i'll have time to play over the weekend. Walk me through your thoughts - at what specific points did your read on JingleHell shift between bad townie and sccum. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:47 gonzaw wrote: Why are you already voting to kill Drazerk if you haven't "thought fully of this"? Same with you Hiro, do you have any thoughts about the whole 2-scum teams at all before parking your vote on Drazerk? We just realized there are 2 factions (we townies), we can't just instantly accept a Drazerk lynch without thinking about this first. It's possible Drazerk is town, just as it's possible he's from 1 scum faction and the scum from the other one are jumping on his lynch without consequences; and both of those suck (the latter not so much of course, but it will waste the whole day) I'm getting weirded out by all of you guys coming out of nowhere and instantly voting Drazerk without even thinking twice even though the game completely changed. I mean, I didn't see anybody (other than Drazerk of course) even flinch at Keirathi/S&B after X's flip for instance. Did everybody just assume they were town and didn't even try to think about it? Come on guys you are better than this. If you still want to lynch Drazerk fine vote him but don't just come say "yeah lol Drazerk obvious scum from some faction", park your vote and do nothing else and then disappear without even acknowledging there are 2 factions (or without trying to cope with it or anything). Maybe I just fail at trying to make sense of Drazerk. Him claiming shooting S&B makes little sense as scum to be honest (if he was scum shooting him he could have kept his mouth shut). He's making 0 effort though and that's damning as hell. Could one of you guys that are absolutely sure Drazerk is red tell me why he'd claim S&B's shot and claim an "improbable" role? Anyways, Drazerk you should probably claim your full role and role name this time Did you read my post? 2 scum teams means that each team probably only has 2 people and it explains why drazerk would be concerned about survival when he normally doesn't care - his only partner's already dead. And it also fits in with Crossfire being black. And having 2 scum teams doesn't really change much other than that. Crossfire's the only person who I had a read on based pretty much on the voting and he's dead. I have no idea why people think the role itself is improbable. 1 shot-vig is definitely possible in this setup for any faction. But him revealing that he shot s&b doesn't make him any more likely town - if he hadn't revealed that, and there's a tracker/watcher out there, he could have been caught instantly. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Walk me through your thoughts - at what specific points did your read on JingleHell shift between bad townie and sccum. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
RS having normal KP plus a vig-shot from Drazerk is too much against the BS who have very limited KP. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 05 2012 13:49 gonzaw wrote: Please make points about me being scum that don't have anything to do with you or "starting fights" with you or "insulting" you or discrediting you or "misinterpreting" you. I won't ask you again. You made a case, and gonzaw seemed to consider it horrendous. So I was wondering why that made gonzaw think of you as a bad townie, when judging by his previous thoughts, he was going to call you scum if he didn't like the case. | ||
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HiroPro
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HiroPro
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On October 06 2012 11:03 gonzaw wrote: Jingle, Hiro, what do you guys think about ghost and what I wrote about him? Don't worry Jingle, even if I'm RS ghost can be BS, so you can actually pay attention to what I say. I hate using connections the way you just did. It's not reliable at all. Crossfire could very well have been mentioning ghost as town so much simply because he wanted to associate being against perfection as a town trait (protecting himself) I got the feeling off ghost that he was just being dumb early on with the Keirathi "too much effort" thing but I'm not sure now. He seemed really unwilling to do anything on the s&b/nisani lynch and I'm having trouble deciding whether that was because he was busy or whether he just didn't care who got lynched. I need to see more from him to decide. | ||
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