This game would have been boring (to me) and pretty shitty if I hadn't claimed and everybody bandwagoned against me today and unanimously got me lynched and then town lost.
Also with S&B/Matt/ghost/Jingle/Hiro barely active most of the time this game has been me+you+austin arguing ever since D3 basically. Unless you had fun doing that

I intended only me to claim, but meh I guess my checks forced other guys to claim as well.

I would rather be wrong in my reads and learn from it than be wrong from trying to piece together information that we'll never be able to verify, because someone is always going to be hiding something.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 18:54 GMT

#1559

Honestly, looking back through Jingle's filter, I'm having an extreme amount of trouble believing that he is town.

I read your reasoning austin, but I just don't find it sufficient. He kept talking about gonzaw and Matt for hours and hours, then he made a case that I mostly agreed with (because I thought iamperfection was town), although I didn't think it was enough to vote Matt, just keep an eye on him. After iamp flipped scum, no one ever even really looked at jingle again.

1) Has absolutely no opinion on iamp day 1
2) Builds cases on gonzaw and Matt, while making excuses about not being "pushy super agressive" to explain away why is wasn't pushing them so hard.
3) Has literally done nothing substantial besides tunnel gonzaw all game
4) Really "safe" claim
5) Claims hider, while S&B's role is Reverse Hider. Roleblocker flips day1, and my role is Roleblocker Roleblocker. Too much coincidence.

I can't really get behind any of those other cases. Its all based too much on things that we don't know who is lying about (and we know we have at *LEAST* 2 people who aren't being completely honest with their information).

And I still trust S&B because I literally have no reason to distrust my Role PM.

##unvote
##Vote: JingleHell

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 20:04 GMT

#1568

On October 11 2012 04:08 strongandbig wrote:

Show nested quote +

my role doesn't counteract hiders, so i don't really agree with your last point.

I'm not saying you counteract hiders, but....I dunno, its just too specific. Why even call it a "Reverse Hider" instead of just a Bodyguard? I mean, my full role name is "P-Body, the Roleblocker Roleblocker", but I don't actually RB anyone.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 20:42 GMT

#1572

On October 10 2012 11:09 Keirathi wrote:
I...don't think I want to lynch ghost today. Not saying why until he claims though, since I don't want to tell him what I'm thinking so that he knows what to say. But I do have an idea of what his role is (and honestly, I'm curious if I'm right).

So I just remembered I said this. When I posted that, I had gotten it into my head that ghost was a DT. Why? Well, first, there weren't any other non-conditional DT roles in the game. And yea, there are things that keep DTs from getting legit checks, but I find it hard to believe that there isn't an actual DT.

Secondly, look at his play throughout the game. I actually thought that he had checked me n2 and thats why he completely dropped me from his vocabulary come day 3, but even still he has wild swings about who he thinks is scum. And look as his rationale for believing the Draz claim: "I buy Draz's claim for the time being. He's nuts, for sure, but his claim makes sense in a Draz-ish sort of way." That's an awfully small amount of reason to barely mention the person that was leading the leading vote getting. But, he spent all of his (very minimal amount of) time pushing gonzaw.

I'm not sure if there would be a Black DT though, and I'm almost certain that he's not RS. I mean, it could make sense, for sure, for Black to have a DT to try to find RS. But...I dunno, it just feels like a more town-oriented role than things like Hider and Redirector.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 21:08 GMT

#1585

Wow austin, did it really take you that long to realize that gonzaw could have been lying about his wincon? Lol, he's been trying to make sure everyone knows that Matt is Chell basically since the day started.

Of all the things he said in his claim post, the wincon stuff was the least verifiable and easiest to lie about.

I'm not saying I'm sure that he's lying about it, but that the thought just now crossed your mind is :o

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 21:15 GMT

#1590

On October 11 2012 06:03 ghost_403 wrote:
Sorry, I don't have time to respond to everything. My action last night was on HiroPro (bolded for emphasis), not on Keirathi, which is why I'm assuming that Hiro's bus didn't go through.

Or HiroPro is lying. All I know is this: my DT check reads "Keirathi is town", not "your check came back town".

Matt bussed Hiro and Me. You claim your role only allows you to check the first alive player below you in the player list, therefore me.

If you sent in ##Check: HiroPro, then you were lying about your role earlier.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 21:19 GMT

#1593

On October 11 2012 06:18 ghost_403 wrote:
Wait, I used my action night 2.

I figured it out, neither of us are lying.

I swapped with HiroPro Night 2 and checked drazerk. Since he got lynched, my check falls to the next person on the list, Keirathi. I didn't action Night 3.

Wat.

So you don't get results from your check until after the next day cycle?

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 21:24 GMT

#1595

OH. Your check is passive?

That could make sense.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 22:06 GMT

#1596

Vote count?

Pretty sure ghost is winning, which is unfortunate.

We should be voting Jingle.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 22:45 GMT

#1602

If ghost flips town and Jingle is scum, I'm going to be pretty upset

I don't think Crossfire and ghost went that far out of their way to buddy each other. And I don't think that scum iamperfection "bussed" ghost that hard on day 1. I also think DT is probably town.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 22:47 GMT

#1605

On October 11 2012 07:46 Hassybaby wrote:
DAMMIT! Ebwop

You're the host, you can edit

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 22:57 GMT

#1621

I'm having trouble figuring out who the RS is if its not Jingle.

I know its not me or S&B. I don't believe gonzaw would be RS with a wincon that makes him want GlaDOS dead (and while I think he may have been lying about his wincon, I don't think the was making up the GlaDOS+Chell thing). I believe that Matt is Chell (unless he and gonzaw made up some elaborate plan and were given Chell and Wheatley as fakeclaims?). I don't think ghost is RS, because of iamperfection thing and I kind of believe that he's DT *AND* I don't think RS has a need to have a position swap mechanic.

Hiro *COULD* be red scum if he bussed day 1. That's a big if though, especially assuming a 2 person scum team.

So really, its down to austin or jingle. Both of which would make a ton of sense, but austin has been trying harder? And there are some extremely circumstantial things that make me lean towards Jingle.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 23:15 GMT

#1637

Yea I'm sort of leaning towards a third black scum.

But, kill RS first. If we kill RS and its not end-game, then we worry about it.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 23:19 GMT

#1640

Possibly?

He didn't really mention Draz much though.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 23:22 GMT

#1641

Also: I'm inclined to believe ghost's green check on Jingle. BS ghost was under pressure. If he has a red check on Jingle, does he really lie just to keep the RS alive? Maybe, if theres a third BS because he needs townies to die. But would that overwrite his "get towncred" mentality?

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 23:23 GMT

#1642

Or rather: I'm inclined to believe that ghost had a green check on Jingle. I don't know what other factors were in play that could have given him a false read, but I believe that he believed it.

Keirathi

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October 10 2012 23:26 GMT

#1644

Oh right, if he said he had had a red check in jingle since night1 and never done anything about it, that would have been weird.

Never mind, carry on.