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On votes, I agree that we should use FoS early because a random scum piling on X might just doom X to death, especially considering if a scum just sheeps on a case. | ||
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On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages. I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue. Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim? Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past. I am at school. (Not anymore though). | ||
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Why are you complaining that people are discussing about useless stuff while you proposed an equally useless random lynch argument? | ||
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Suspicions I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc. austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role. Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why? On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him. First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town. As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum. Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me. ##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol | ||
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do you has scum reads? The only thing you pointed out is that one of SnB's post's are trying to fish blues, as well as in the same post you say random lynch is useless while you yourself propoed a random lynch earlier. + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 07:14 thrawn2112 wrote: This post struck me as weird: When I read that it seemed like it could be a cleverly written request for better play and it's hiding that strongandbig's actually fishing to try and make a blue read. Like if strongandbig is mafia, and he knows shiaopi is town (which is what I'm getting from the way strongandbig talks to shiaopi) and he's got a meta blue-shiaopi read, then he's baiting shiaopi who he considers might be blue into posting more in order to get his blue read. And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions. strongandbig what is your read on shiaopi? | ||
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On September 27 2012 21:53 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't see how my earlier post about rnd lynch makes you think I was seriously proposing the idea. And yeah right now I'm most wary of snb. Besides the point you pointed out, anything else on SnB? | ||
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On September 27 2012 22:02 Ottoxlol wrote: I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well? Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:15 Ottoxlol wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others? No, I picked at you because I saw your post's and they took my attention. But ok, good defense I guess. ##Unvote: Ottoxlol. BTW, who do you think is scum? | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:22 phagga wrote: Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve. If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective? | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation. Then who will you vote for? | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote: I will wait for him to post, then we will see Why the fixation on SnB? Why is SnB so pivotal for your reads? | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:55 phagga wrote: Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred. So, EVERYTHING Thrawn did is an action that supposedly makes him townier? | ||
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On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote: Sure. This bit? I know I was also FoSed in a post with ottox and I, but it seemed like that was for mostly the same reasoning. I don't take issue with what you're saying. Like...I can't refute that I was not doing other things. Nor did any of that discussion end up as a jumping off point to any activity. Rockband and this have been different games. There we had early movement and activity, gave me lots to look through. Here not so much. I've been poking around some today, and will be tomorrow. It's up to you to determine whether you find it scummy that I've been more active recently or not (I would suggest a town read, but ymmv). Ah, Okay. ##Unvote. | ||
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@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. Out of my current scum reads at the time I saw sure ottox was town after his reponse so I voted austin, austin has responded nicely so I unvoted him as well. | ||
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On September 28 2012 22:59 iamperfection wrote: what do you mean elaborate please? I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work. | ||
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On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum. On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response). On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else. Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part. On September 28 2012 05:27 phagga wrote: -snip- You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry. <--- WHAT USE IS THIS? Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you. The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town. (in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing). On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. <----- Isn't he smart enough to notice? @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet. @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out: When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off. Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point, On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote: So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing. Final verdict: I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts. ##Vote: phagga | ||
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On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote: @austin Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis. Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?) | ||
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Your last read on thrawn before the last hours of day 1 On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad. Last hours of day 1: "I SHALT HAMMER THOU INTO DEATH." | ||
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Anyway, I am currently gonna take a look at Sinensis. (as well as playing some games >.<) | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:48 Ottoxlol wrote: I mean the thread was discussing phagga lynch and you didn't talk about it at all, I find it very strange that one would not tell his thoughts as town. I don't feel like the case on Sinensis has any real points, his useless wifoming can be something to derail this awesomely active mafia game but idk, my gut says its nothing. I don't see where his logic failed (btw, I pinned austin as scummy too, this was only one of his scummy posts, I already posted N1 my suspicion on him.) Iamperfection, you announced that you will start hunting scum, that you are suspicious of the 2 lurkers and phagga but did not provide anything why. After that Sinensis comes around with this useless "I would have voted austin if he's alive and thrawn is scum" and you vote him, even when I feel like your fos on SnB is much more viable. This is the post I am referring to + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto. But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent. In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you. So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn. This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point. So I think we should lunch thrawn. I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it. So ##vote: thrawn2112 I really would like to get this thread active and I don't see any other way then to start lynching lurkers. If they care at all they can come back before hammering. SnB not just lurks but posted this strange nolynch thingy. My concern with Bluelightz is that he did not try to psh for phagga even tho he had a townread on thrawn, his case on phagga was very weak, he don't pursue his other scumread Sinensis at all. ##Vote: Bluelightz I did not try push for phagga: Oh dude he just claimed BoxeR! I had a townread on thrawn and didn't defend him: On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this. On September 28 2012 23:03 Bluelightz wrote: I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work. I didn't pursue Sinensis: I wanted to lynch PHAGGA, pushing SINENSIS while pushing PHAGGA is not productive because it takes the spotlight away from PHAGGA (who I wanted to lynch). | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:55 ShiaoPi wrote: @bluelightz: since you seem to be here...who you wanna lynch? I'm..... making an analysis on the thrawn voters and gonna look over my top scum read from the thrawn voter pool (aside from phagga). | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:11 Ottoxlol wrote: @Bluelight, we know that both phagga and thrawn are town so why would you only look at thrawn voters? Because they're the ones that voted the now dead townie. (Oh dude you worried bout yourself  ) | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote: @Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing @Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking @Ottox did you push thrawn yourself? | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did. ## Vote Thrawn On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote: @SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them My case on thrawn: His response: I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please ##Vote thrawn2112 On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto. But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent. In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you. So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn. This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point. So I think we should lunch thrawn. I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it. So ##vote: thrawn2112 Out of them all, okay, I single out s&b, he has quite a lot of analysis behind his vote, miles better then the others. Let's move on to the other..... one liner reasons! cheers its one-liner christmas!. Sinensis "That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks." This is what I think of it A(thrawn): Answer this question B(Sinensis): The questions have been answered by you OMG, some of them are sarcastic too! I'll never answer these questions and possibly provide information to town! But, what does Sinensis do AFTER his vote? Oh, nothing! He doesn't help push his scum read, he doesn't make an attempt to look over thrawn, he doesn't make an attempt to give valuable information by way of scummy points to town. iamP: Besides his vote post, like Sinensis but some pushing to convince people to vote thrawn, he only says that thrawn is scummy BECAUSE he made "associative crap", he doesn't explain why "associative crap" is bad on day 1, he only says it is bad. Last but not least, Ottox: "I did this and that, he lied about this, dont let him get away", I feel this is a underwhelming explanation, because of the fact that LAL is not reliable because we have no facts (on day 1), he has nothing to base the supposed "lies" on (although the "lies" are about...... oh he did this, but thrawn said he did that). I don't think that's a scummy point (misinterpreting post's) because it's not like everybody understands what Ottox posted or what Ottox meant to post. Also, besides this, he doesn't push thrawn, AT ALL {Jumps in the wagon (I think) and sits back and let other's do the pushing}. Conclusion, I am very sure that the last 2 scum are between Ottox, iamP, and Sinensis. But right now, my firmest read is on Ottox. ##Vote: Ottoxlol | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:15 Ottoxlol wrote: Not that I am worried, I just don't see how are those voting thrawn are more scummy. I would love that you look at everyone, phagga is town as well so those voters can be scum too. ..... thrawn = dead town phagga = BoxeR that hasn't been confirmed (but I believe his claim) | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:22 Ottoxlol wrote: My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today Ottox, do you understand that you helped mislynch a town? Do you understand that mislynching townies is a bad thing and attracts attention? | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:22 Ottoxlol wrote: My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today Which case good chap? The phagga case? Oh, I think it's perfect, also, I think your case is nothing, hence why you should die today. | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions? Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you. On October 02 2012 01:17 Bluelightz wrote: ..... thrawn = dead town phagga = BoxeR that hasn't been confirmed (but I believe his claim) | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions? Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you. I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others. | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:47 iamperfection wrote: so do you think both scum were on the thrawn wagon? ..... I focus on thrawn voters =/= 2 scum are on thrawn, and I don't fucking know or give a fuck where the scum are. | ||
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On October 03 2012 21:29 kushm4sta wrote: hmm bluelightz you have to explain what was so scummy about it. He voted for an afk. He was trying to prevent a no lynch. Both seem like something both scum and town would do What did he do besides that? | ||
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On October 03 2012 00:43 Ottoxlol wrote: I do.. I asked you Shiaopi what is wrong with Sinensis again, the post he did quote was scummy in my opinion so his logic is ok i think. What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1? Stop lying , you did nothing else then ask for someone else's read on me (read: NOT CONVINCING LOL). | ||
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On October 03 2012 23:01 Ottoxlol wrote: Although I feel like scum is not commenting on me and Bluelightz because he's posting very stupid things that I just can't let go, he's a very new player so omgus all game long so we are pinned against each other and they can win easily. I will want to lynch those who almost ignore our whole conversation: Shiaopi and iamperfection. They tried to bus Sinensis with bad logic together, no one else bite so there could be something to look into. I find that very insulting... | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch. @bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity? His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment? His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz You say ShiaoPi has most/best content but what about yourself? did you even read his filter? Did it contain a lot of "Anyone here?" posts? Prove your point... | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch. @bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity? His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment? His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz I made a case, he did more scummy things, and I am supposed to believe he is town? | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch. @bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity? His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment? His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is On October 03 2012 23:37 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know but something feels wrong Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz /facepalm no proof.... | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned. His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad. AFKing when I sleep is considered lurking I guess. | ||
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The thing I pointed out is, a point. But, I don't consider you scummy enough to make a case (and that I consider Ottox more scummy then anyone). | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned. His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad. "OTTOX IS TOWNIE BECAUSE OF DAT BLUE" "NAH DAT POINT IS NULL" da faq | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: For proof all you have to do is press his filter. + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2012 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay I am heading to bed soon, several things I want to get out now, in case I get shot. If I do get shot or if artanis survives, lynch the shit out of him, there is no fucking way that scum will let confirmed townies survive. Also add that to the fact that neither phagga nor artanis have done any relevant scumhunting since claiming. Seriously if he did not claim I would have been all over him anyway.... Onto bluelightz. I have no fucking idea right now. His latest target seems to be me, after he tunneled ottox to oblivion. I obviously don't like it and while I had a townleaning nullread on him earlier it kind of is going down the drain at the moment. He could be scum but I really do not know. @bluelightz: Please make a coherent case on me if you really believe me to be scum. Do not just point at me saying I am scum, without backing it up. Sinensis/kush: Kush is doing so much more than sinensis did, so I am a happy for that, still I would say he is pretty much linked together with Ottox. Ottox: Had a gutread of town on him earlier. It was just the general feel I got off his posting. What I do not like is how he is starting to discredit me and his post where he said that iamperfection and I were "bussing" sinensis makes no fucking sense. Also notice how he evaded answering my question based on the phrasing. Also his focus on bluelightz is worrying me. I kind of degraded him to nullish-scum now. Iamperfection: The points I raised on him are still valid, sheeping when promising scumhunting etc. . His recent post of reads is making sense, but I am still wary--->nullish What I want to do if I survive and Artanis gets shot: Lynch ottox, pray for red flip. If Artanis survives he is most probably fakeclaiming scum, our cop should claim then to make sure we do not lynch wrongly, if he gets spared to give us a WIFOM-bomb to play around. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup. Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him. @Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had. I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about: Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said? Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis @Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around. I can do that too + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time. Suspicions I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc. austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role. Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why? First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town. As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum. Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me. ##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol On September 29 2012 01:12 Bluelightz wrote: @ShiaoPi My current scum read is primarily on Sinensis and phagga, explanations: On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum. He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response). On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else. Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part. Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point, This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing. Final verdict: I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts. ##Vote: phagga On October 02 2012 01:14 Bluelightz wrote: Okay let's look over why the fuck people voted thrawn, disregarding phagga because he claimed BoxeR and I believe that claim. Out of them all, okay, I single out s&b, he has quite a lot of analysis behind his vote, miles better then the others. Let's move on to the other..... one liner reasons! cheers its one-liner christmas!. Sinensis "That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks." This is what I think of it A(thrawn): Answer this question B(Sinensis): The questions have been answered by you OMG, some of them are sarcastic too! I'll never answer these questions and possibly provide information to town! But, what does Sinensis do AFTER his vote? Oh, nothing! He doesn't help push his scum read, he doesn't make an attempt to look over thrawn, he doesn't make an attempt to give valuable information by way of scummy points to town. iamP: Besides his vote post, like Sinensis but some pushing to convince people to vote thrawn, he only says that thrawn is scummy BECAUSE he made "associative crap", he doesn't explain why "associative crap" is bad on day 1, he only says it is bad. Last but not least, Ottox: "I did this and that, he lied about this, dont let him get away", I feel this is a underwhelming explanation, because of the fact that LAL is not reliable because we have no facts (on day 1), he has nothing to base the supposed "lies" on (although the "lies" are about...... oh he did this, but thrawn said he did that). I don't think that's a scummy point (misinterpreting post's) because it's not like everybody understands what Ottox posted or what Ottox meant to post. Also, besides this, he doesn't push thrawn, AT ALL {Jumps in the wagon (I think) and sits back and let other's do the pushing}. Conclusion, I am very sure that the last 2 scum are between Ottox, iamP, and Sinensis. But right now, my firmest read is on Ottox. ##Vote: Ottoxlol | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:09 Bluelightz wrote: AFKing when I sleep is considered lurking I guess. Oh, and Mafia is obviously more important than school. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:17 Ottoxlol wrote: What dodging? I already said 3 times. You made a bad case and iamp jumped on then you suspect him for jumping and voting with little to no real threat to him or you or sinensis at that moment. ShiaoPi: "Why do you think me and iamP are trying to bus Sinensis in your post???" Is that the question? | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:20 kushm4sta wrote: ^yeah ottox answer this question please. @bluelightz What exactly is the rest of your case against ottox? Getting on bandwagons but not pushing them? Last case you made was regarding thrawn. You said ottox got on the thrawn bandwagon but didn't push it. But he made a case, asked thrawn questions, and followed up when he thought answers weren't sufficient. That is in his post here: kushm4sta spouts crapton of points on why Ottox is townie. kushm4sta fails to explain why said points are townie points. | ||
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After considering more points, I lift my decision of Ottox being not possibly town, to null. A kushm4sta and iamP team seems MUCH more reasonable. | ||
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Firstly, on day 1, iamP votes thrawn, but does nothing to push thrawn ala "vote and let others do the work", bad because this gives less information to consider for town. Secondly, his points are (mostly) a crap bunch of some unexplained one-liners. Then, lastly his s&b vote: On October 03 2012 05:38 iamperfection wrote: unvote Vote strongandbig anyone here? kill strongandbig he is still not making sense from my view. "votes SnB" "Says because X" "Does NOT say why X is scummy point" ##FoS: iamP | ||
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I am losing faith on Ottox being scum and I believe you are town: result is them being left, as well as the post above (and that Artanis is BoxeR, hopefully. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:30 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz Wait so there was NO WAY ottox could be town and you just dropped it like that? So after my sort of defense of him, which you said was bad anyway, that convinced you he wasn't scum? How he has been acting, doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. (And no it wasn't your defense). | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:35 kushm4sta wrote: Here Bluelightz looks like he is trying to take credit for an iamp vote even though he is very late to the party. I think it is a bus. ...... Where did people vote iamP the last day....? | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:35 Bluelightz wrote: ...... Where did people vote iamP the last day....? Ah, I see, but a party you say? you mean yourself? | ||
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Firstly, if you didn't realize yet: DON'T VOTE yet. Scum can hammer immediately if you accidentaly vote a townie. Secondly, we must utilize the time we have to discuss and find the most suitable target. | ||
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I'm thinking of iamP or ShiaoPi as last scum, no way I'm scum because scum killed Ottox probably to finger me. | ||
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On October 06 2012 14:31 Bluelightz wrote: Hmmmm. I'm thinking of iamP or ShiaoPi as last scum, no way I'm scum because scum killed Ottox probably to finger me. Actually, I'm dumb, the last scum has to be iamP or ShiaoPi lol. More confident of iamP.... | ||
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On October 07 2012 00:48 iamperfection wrote: Bluelightz can you at least try to tell me what your thinking? Unless your scum and have given up? Why would scum kill Ottox at this point? He would be an easy mislynch at LYLO. Because scum is trying to finger me, scum is trying to get proof that "Bluelightz was pushing town! lynch him for doing that!" | ||
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On October 07 2012 01:03 ShiaoPi wrote: they kill ottox because he was as good as confirmed town. Would you care to explain? | ||
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On October 07 2012 01:04 iamperfection wrote: give reasons on why you think me or shaopi. I think ShiaoPi is more likely to be the last scum, because, I think that he was already trying to set up a mislynch for me, and for pushing me (I AM TOWN GOD DAMN IT). On October 06 2012 03:15 ShiaoPi wrote: okay just a quick post for the night. I think either ottox or I will get shot, just lynch the shit out of blue, him being absent at also tunneling ottox for a good time earlier should make him obvious as scum. Tonight's results like almost exactly play's out into how ShiaoPi want's it (Ottox flips town, Bluelightz gets fingered and lynched in LYLO). | ||
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iamP, if you are town, please vote with me and win the game. I know I look scummy as shit, I know town will probably lose because I failed to prove my towniness (as a result you voted me), But, please this time vote with me? Also I'm sorry town. I'm probably gonna get shit on post-game :/ | ||
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and I'm probably gonna just be absent from the thread from sadness. | ||
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On October 07 2012 01:34 ShiaoPi wrote: whatever fuck this town for being a shithole of inactiveness. It's not as much "wp" to you iamp, more like town was horrendously bad in this game. I had you on d2 but neither ottox or bl were willing to lynch you so I had to see what I can do. Yeah I am just whining around since I was not that active either, but still FUCK THIS TOWN, losing another game were I had the scumteam earlier, I need a break after liquid city finishes, I fucking hate this game right now.... gg, thx for hosting Are you planning to do another gsl mini BH? I really like the setup and also the insta-lynch is pretty good (with active town of course). If you did find the scum you should've like, pushed em more with like "Hey BL, I think you should look @ X", Didn't feel like I got convinced on iamP's scummyness till like end of day 3, then you came in w/ da comments and early vote ._. (lurks back out of thread) | ||
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No offense but activity was even shitier then http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346 (Dwarf Fortress Mini Mafia) | ||
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On October 07 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote: wp scum with the nice double bus on the penultimate day. The players weren't alive to the idea that it was the perfect time for some kinda neat play, but scum pulled it off really neatly. BL, you had me fooled a lot of the game. You were more aggressive than I'm used to seeing you, and I thought you were scum for it. Was it just the different playerbase? Felt different when you come into the game from a win | ||
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On October 08 2012 01:50 syllogism wrote: Not bluelightz's fault at all, as always Well, except for the fact he also threw his vote down early and on the wrong person My vote didn't matter anyway. | ||
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