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On October 03 2012 21:29 kushm4sta wrote: hmm bluelightz you have to explain what was so scummy about it. He voted for an afk. He was trying to prevent a no lynch. Both seem like something both scum and town would do What did he do besides that? | ||
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On October 03 2012 00:43 Ottoxlol wrote: I do.. I asked you Shiaopi what is wrong with Sinensis again, the post he did quote was scummy in my opinion so his logic is ok i think. What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1? Stop lying  , you did nothing else then ask for someone else's read on me (read: NOT CONVINCING LOL). | ||
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On October 03 2012 23:01 Ottoxlol wrote: Although I feel like scum is not commenting on me and Bluelightz because he's posting very stupid things that I just can't let go, he's a very new player so omgus all game long so we are pinned against each other and they can win easily. I will want to lynch those who almost ignore our whole conversation: Shiaopi and iamperfection. They tried to bus Sinensis with bad logic together, no one else bite so there could be something to look into. I find that very insulting... | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch. @bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity? His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment? His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz You say ShiaoPi has most/best content but what about yourself? did you even read his filter? Did it contain a lot of "Anyone here?" posts? Prove your point... | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch. @bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity? His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment? His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz I made a case, he did more scummy things, and I am supposed to believe he is town? | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch. @bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity? His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment? His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is On October 03 2012 23:37 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know but something feels wrong Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz /facepalm no proof.... | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned. His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad. AFKing when I sleep is considered lurking I guess. | ||
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The thing I pointed out is, a point. But, I don't consider you scummy enough to make a case (and that I consider Ottox more scummy then anyone). | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned. His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad. "OTTOX IS TOWNIE BECAUSE OF DAT BLUE" "NAH DAT POINT IS NULL" da faq | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: For proof all you have to do is press his filter. + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2012 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay I am heading to bed soon, several things I want to get out now, in case I get shot. If I do get shot or if artanis survives, lynch the shit out of him, there is no fucking way that scum will let confirmed townies survive. Also add that to the fact that neither phagga nor artanis have done any relevant scumhunting since claiming. Seriously if he did not claim I would have been all over him anyway.... Onto bluelightz. I have no fucking idea right now. His latest target seems to be me, after he tunneled ottox to oblivion. I obviously don't like it and while I had a townleaning nullread on him earlier it kind of is going down the drain at the moment. He could be scum but I really do not know. @bluelightz: Please make a coherent case on me if you really believe me to be scum. Do not just point at me saying I am scum, without backing it up. Sinensis/kush: Kush is doing so much more than sinensis did, so I am a happy for that, still I would say he is pretty much linked together with Ottox. Ottox: Had a gutread of town on him earlier. It was just the general feel I got off his posting. What I do not like is how he is starting to discredit me and his post where he said that iamperfection and I were "bussing" sinensis makes no fucking sense. Also notice how he evaded answering my question based on the phrasing. Also his focus on bluelightz is worrying me. I kind of degraded him to nullish-scum now. Iamperfection: The points I raised on him are still valid, sheeping when promising scumhunting etc. . His recent post of reads is making sense, but I am still wary--->nullish What I want to do if I survive and Artanis gets shot: Lynch ottox, pray for red flip. If Artanis survives he is most probably fakeclaiming scum, our cop should claim then to make sure we do not lynch wrongly, if he gets spared to give us a WIFOM-bomb to play around. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup. Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him. @Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had. I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about: Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said? Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis @Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around. I can do that too + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time. Suspicions I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc. austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role. Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why? First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town. As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum. Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me. ##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol On September 29 2012 01:12 Bluelightz wrote: @ShiaoPi My current scum read is primarily on Sinensis and phagga, explanations: On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum. He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response). On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else. Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part. Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point, This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing. Final verdict: I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts. ##Vote: phagga On October 02 2012 01:14 Bluelightz wrote: Okay let's look over why the fuck people voted thrawn, disregarding phagga because he claimed BoxeR and I believe that claim. Out of them all, okay, I single out s&b, he has quite a lot of analysis behind his vote, miles better then the others. Let's move on to the other..... one liner reasons! cheers its one-liner christmas!. Sinensis "That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks." This is what I think of it A(thrawn): Answer this question B(Sinensis): The questions have been answered by you OMG, some of them are sarcastic too! I'll never answer these questions and possibly provide information to town! But, what does Sinensis do AFTER his vote? Oh, nothing! He doesn't help push his scum read, he doesn't make an attempt to look over thrawn, he doesn't make an attempt to give valuable information by way of scummy points to town. iamP: Besides his vote post, like Sinensis but some pushing to convince people to vote thrawn, he only says that thrawn is scummy BECAUSE he made "associative crap", he doesn't explain why "associative crap" is bad on day 1, he only says it is bad. Last but not least, Ottox: "I did this and that, he lied about this, dont let him get away", I feel this is a underwhelming explanation, because of the fact that LAL is not reliable because we have no facts (on day 1), he has nothing to base the supposed "lies" on (although the "lies" are about...... oh he did this, but thrawn said he did that). I don't think that's a scummy point (misinterpreting post's) because it's not like everybody understands what Ottox posted or what Ottox meant to post. Also, besides this, he doesn't push thrawn, AT ALL {Jumps in the wagon (I think) and sits back and let other's do the pushing}. Conclusion, I am very sure that the last 2 scum are between Ottox, iamP, and Sinensis. But right now, my firmest read is on Ottox. ##Vote: Ottoxlol | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:09 Bluelightz wrote: AFKing when I sleep is considered lurking I guess. Oh, and Mafia is obviously more important than school. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:17 Ottoxlol wrote: What dodging? I already said 3 times. You made a bad case and iamp jumped on then you suspect him for jumping and voting with little to no real threat to him or you or sinensis at that moment. ShiaoPi: "Why do you think me and iamP are trying to bus Sinensis in your post???" Is that the question? | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:20 kushm4sta wrote: ^yeah ottox answer this question please. @bluelightz What exactly is the rest of your case against ottox? Getting on bandwagons but not pushing them? Last case you made was regarding thrawn. You said ottox got on the thrawn bandwagon but didn't push it. But he made a case, asked thrawn questions, and followed up when he thought answers weren't sufficient. That is in his post here: kushm4sta spouts crapton of points on why Ottox is townie. kushm4sta fails to explain why said points are townie points. | ||
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After considering more points, I lift my decision of Ottox being not possibly town, to null. A kushm4sta and iamP team seems MUCH more reasonable. | ||
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Firstly, on day 1, iamP votes thrawn, but does nothing to push thrawn ala "vote and let others do the work", bad because this gives less information to consider for town. Secondly, his points are (mostly) a crap bunch of some unexplained one-liners. Then, lastly his s&b vote: On October 03 2012 05:38 iamperfection wrote: unvote Vote strongandbig anyone here? kill strongandbig he is still not making sense from my view. "votes SnB" "Says because X" "Does NOT say why X is scummy point" ##FoS: iamP | ||
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I am losing faith on Ottox being scum and I believe you are town: result is them being left, as well as the post above (and that Artanis is BoxeR, hopefully. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:30 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz Wait so there was NO WAY ottox could be town and you just dropped it like that? So after my sort of defense of him, which you said was bad anyway, that convinced you he wasn't scum? How he has been acting, doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. (And no it wasn't your defense). | ||
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