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On the KingJames situation. You guys sure can take some grass and call it a forest. Or misrepresenting and lying as the factual terms are. I dislike defending people unless I'm heavily certain they are town but I mean spouting bullshit on how he's been fake-contributing day1 while half the thread have barely said a word strikes me as heavily weird. More suspicious still the people praising it as legit case. You can't all be scum so are you deliberately ignorant? | ||
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On October 01 2012 17:25 Kreb wrote: Yes, because fake-contributing is more scummy than not contributing at all. It should be quite common to have both town and scum hiding among the low post count and little contribution posters. But there is no reason for a town to fake contribute ever (even though new town players probably often feel that way). There are motives for both town and scum to lurk, but there are no (good) motives for town to fake-contribute. Not only do you seem unaware/ignorant of this, your post also raises other questions/concerns: 1) Point me towards the "spouting bullshit" parts. You make it sound like you're disagreeing he is fake-contributing. Is that correct? Whats your take on his posting in that case, if you dont see it as fake-contributing? 2) You vote person A and spend time writing why you didnt vote person B. You havent said a word to back up your Shady vote, and the only thing your filter contains is a suggested Kush-vote. So why did you vote Shady? 3) Are you sitll in favor of a Kush-vote? If so, why? Fist things first. Now you don't have the first clue about what fake-contribution is which makes it difficult to discuss the subject. A person fake-contributing is someone floating around, have proven to be active + Show Spoiler + otherwise they must fall into the lurker category untill they reach a certain amount of posts which has nothing whatsoever do to with their posts/day ratio) Meaning they can be both lurkers and fake-contributers but not for a couple of days. As for most fake-contributing posts they are not some sort of evil posts in disguise only visible to your lens of truth. They are simply general posts and most often helpful to a lesser degree. Most importantly what you don't grasp is both townies and scum do them and are because of this null-tells. I have absolutely no idea what you mean when you say townies have absolutely no purpose fake-contributing. It's purified dumb. 1 Having now explained the term fake-contributor I can answer your post. It's bullshit to call someone a fake-contributor day 1 almost without exception because it's in generally to early to tell the persons agenda. 2 I voted for shady because it's down to him versus KingJames. Additionally I agreed and considered Shady being scummy even as I suggested the kush lynch. Which was done because I didn't want to sheep others the first thing I did (because there is little value in that) and because I wanted to discuss other candidates then shady (which was shutdown asap by marv, but nevertheless told me something about marv) As for why I choose kush the filters weren't implied so I picked the first suspicious filter I found. 3 A kush lynch i don't see happening and a voteswitch to kush now I'd disagree with because my suspicion against a successful late bandwagon switch would be greater then my suspicion against kush. (Node. you're late to the party.) If you rephrase the question. Am I still suspicious against kush I will tell you I think kush is scummier now then I did at the time I suggested the vote on him. | ||
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VE seems like a usual VE to me. The conflict with annul I don't see as fabriced. Z-Boson claims VE goes from not suspecting KJ to wanting to kill him in the same post but what I read is he said "I find nothing scummy about KJ's input on scumhunting". Which isn't the same thing. Maybe I'm ill informed about this since I'm reading it out of context so correct me if there is more. | ||
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On October 01 2012 22:27 Z-BosoN wrote: I don't know coag, and I don't know VE. On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2. I still don't like how VE attacked annul though, but given this was the beggining of day one I don't necessarily think that part is scum motivated. I'd like him to be clearer on KJ, though. Risk, yea you should read my post, I specifically addressed that. Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch. bolded is not going to happen. I read your post. I was asking for context if there were any. Don't tell me to go read your post again. If there is more, explain it so I understand what you mean. Don't tell me to go guess what you mean. | ||
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I never said I thought shady was scummy in the thread. Nor did I claim to have had. So how can you say I'm lying. I stated that I was suspicious of him and I was. I give reasoning for the rest of my actions which I sincerely wonder if you've even read. But your case isn't that you have a problem with my reasoning. You just straight out attempt to misinterpret it to the thread. I said I thought kush was scummier now then then which to me translates into. Kush has done absolutely nothing to redeem himself of my suspicions. On the contrary the posts he's made has only made me more suspicious. But no fucking where do I say that he's my strongest scumread. Leaving out the name calling generalizations of my posts. These are your only 2 actual points against me which are both fucking untrue. And don't think you can claim coming in late bringing not one but three new names to the table and expected it to generate anything but distraction from the other candidates. | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:39 Sharrant wrote: @Risk.Nuke I was at work like I said I would be. I did have to cover for someone for an extra hour, that's why I was late getting on here. In response to your earlier question, on Saturday I worked all day, then went to another city for Nuit Blanche, then came back to work despite not having slept because my boss asked me if I could cover for someone who was sick. After that it was Sunday night, I saw that I had a PM, saw it was about this game, and was way too fucking tired to do anything. So I set my alarm early to give myself time to make one decent post in the morning before work. Unfortunately I was so rushed I forgot to actually follow with my vote, and I felt really stupid about halfway into work. I'm a little surprised no one called me out on it. I'm just going to post this part now, the rest will follow in a little bit. Just reading through filters. Nope, don't buy it. The guy clearly had insight in what's going on so I'm making the assumption that he's been following the thread. And when a player lurk hard with that kind of first and only post I'm getting pretty damn suspicious he's discussing the game elsewhere. | ||
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You want to be usefull. Who would you vote for amongst the people with votes. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:07 kushm4sta wrote: risk is usually like this? why would you call someone scumshit...they didn't choose to roll scum and you don't have to insult them for it. because scum are evil and mafia games gets emotional. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote: How do you feel about austin, risk? I don't know and I'm not planning to go over him tonight. | ||
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King procastination first due to a 10 page gap after day 1 and then marv instantly outing himself. While I'm posting, people who voted marv before this are more suspicious then the rest. Seeing as the mafia knew risen did protect marvellosity while the rest of us would still have to deal with other possibilitys, my point is that mafia would probably have wanted to get on marv as quickly as possible. | ||
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Regardless, right now without having done any of above scumhunting I would need to go out of the top of my head and say Kush (It was you up untill vig claim). Distruptive player, weak performance and marv didn't want to lynch him. My main concern with kush is I can't tell if kush is an actual moron or a mafia trying to save himself by acting so much like a moron in order to trick us to believe he's a moron rather then scum. If you can follow that. | ||
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##Vote Hapahauli | ||
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On October 07 2012 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: @prome There are so many afk vets they are not all scum. Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which. These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell. That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia. ##fos risk, z boson, coag, sloosh ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gltVm.png) | ||
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I don't know if it's because you 1. Enjoy the attention. 2. Trying to immitate marv. or 3. Think you're playing to your wincondition by purposly clogging up the thread. And it doesn't matter. Understand that there is a fundamental difference between messing with towns head and just spamming for the purpose of making the thread longer. When you reach the point of everyone just automatically jumps over every post you do then it's time to stop because what you're doing isn't good scumplay. It's just abusive of the mechanics of how we can read the thread and the bottom line is it's unethical. If this was my game I would have given both you and marv warnings for the shit you're pulling of because in the end it's just fucking poor sportsmanship. Be fucking silent and die with some fucking dignity. | ||
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This is how I feel and that is all to it. And you might have been forced to be away and unable to scumhunt but you're here now and I'm telling you your case does not impress me the slightest. If this is the best you'll give us I'll lynch you because I know you can do alot better then those sorry lines for scumhunting. | ||
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Z-Bozon. clicky. Scroll up and you'll see the votes. It's tied at 7-7 with an hour to the deadline. What does Z-boz do. He unvotes and votes for Coag who as no votes and practicly no chance of beeing lynched. Making the lynch standings 7 on shady and 6 on node. | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:41 kushm4sta wrote: @risk z-boson is my top scumread and I would be willing to vote for him. For the 7-7 reason and for his over-reliance on meta except when he completely throws it out the window to switch votes and save a scum. I'm still reading filters but I'm definitely considering Z-boz for todays lynch. | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:59 slOosh wrote: My third party read is much much stronger than my scum reads. Maybe because you're not doing anything to find scum. The situation is while some are spending their time searching for scum you're spending yours trying to convince us to lynch a possible third party. | ||
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On October 10 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: This is the post. This post here. I read Kush filter three times looking for THIS POST. It's the post where he accidentally tells us he's scum. Note his incredulity. Why would that conclusion be so surprising to Kush unless he already knew annul was town? He is saying that annul would definitely live the night on the supposition that scum would NEVER kill him. But...why? And he doesn't even factor in TOWN kp as a possibility. It all betrays a scum mindset guys. VE I think you're reading a lot from little. | ||
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##Vote: kushm4sta | ||
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If you flip scum you're one of the worst mafia players on the forum because you had to make the town believe you were genuinely retarded rather then scum to not get lynched. | ||
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On October 10 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote: can we lynch bloodyclob for being alive? we can lynch you for playing in alignment with your scum meta. | ||
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There are more players that should flip red then what is realistic to assume exist. Z-Boz and Sloosh have both been scummy. You mention mementoss and lets not forget about lurker Shiaopi. | ||
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Coag is the absolutely last person we will lynch. He's almost certainly town regardless of viceras alignment. | ||
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Coag that is an ability I briefly considered but when you think about it. Lynch flips are almost sacred in mafia games, It's unorthodox and rare to even make them hidden. I don't think Dr Helvetica would mess with them. I'm not ruling them out but right now I find it less likely then a framer. There are facts that support both scum and town Vicera. For example I'm I'm not to sold on the possibility of a framer. However I'm almost 100% there is a town investigative role in the game which is further supported by the presence of a godfather. I'd prefer to not pressure this situation but rather let this business clear up in time. In the meantime I think I'm interested to lynch Mattchew or Mementoss. | ||
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We should lynch Mattchew. ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:38 Kreb wrote: And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum. Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory. First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum? So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment. @Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were. | ||
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Yeah trade nightkills for a lynch on a suspicious useless townie. It's a game winner. | ||
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Obey. | ||
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We're lynching him today. | ||
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The only smart thing to do today is to kill Mattchew. We need to get rid of Mattchew because. He is likely scum. So we have to lynch him sooner or later. The only scenario we don't end up sooner or later lynching Mattchew is if we decide that hey, his retarded actions are probably indicators that he is town so lets not lynch him... ever. That scenario is never going to happen. Never fucking ever. Ergo we need to kill him. Why is it better to kill him now rather then later? Because as the game progresses we will be able to get better reads on everyone. Just as how you have better reads on other people day 1 then day 2. This makes it sub-ideal to lynch person x today and Mattchew tomorrow rather then lynch Mattchew today and person x tomorrow. This is NOT fucking complicated but the fucking ESSENCE of standard logic now start fucking voting. | ||
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Shiaopi is a scummy fuck who we compare against other scummy fucks and have nothing whatsoever do to with the point of my last post. | ||
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Not sure about kreb's claim. It's pretty meaningless. I'm leaning towards him fake-claiming. Still thinking about who I want to lynch the most. | ||
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The odds are VE is town. | ||
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On October 17 2012 00:12 iamperfection wrote: plus bc's fake claim gives credence to the fact that luck citizen is a town role. The list is of potential roles. Not existing ones. Proof is that the miller role was removed. | ||
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I'm waiting, this is not something you can back out of. | ||
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Kreb's claim is both very convenient and very unlikely from a setup perspective. I'm puzzled here to say the least. Iamperfections claim is late and unbelievable. Atleast if he's claiming what I think he's claiming. | ||
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Look at it from Visceras persective if scum. Fakeclaiming detective at that point would have be stunningly retarded. From counterclaims to suspicions. The risks are high everywhere and the gain little. And my instincts tell me viscera is town. | ||
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##Vote Sloosh | ||
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and don't kill the only investigative role in a game with millers and godfathers. | ||
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Never fucking ever. Because 9/10 times he'll be town. I don't even care if this is that unlikely 1/10 time because even if Viscera flips scum I'll know I did the smart thing. | ||
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and with that I say good night and don't fuck up. | ||
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This is how your post is interpreted. I want you to work and do these things however I'm to lazy to do them myself. Now do as I say. Your post have two major flaws. They don't trust you, not as a leader and they don't trust you're town. And still you expect them to do something that will benefit you. You can't just declare yourself leader and expect results. Your post come of as arrogant with nothing to back it up. Just another name on the internet think he's something special. | ||
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Kreb Coag and iamp was all already acting like townies (This does not mean you played well). Actually coag didn't act like a townie, he had a greencheck. But I also trusted him from a balance perspective when the scum had Marv and Node and BC was third party. All my final reads was before Viscera was lynched, didn't care after that. Just looking at the thread made me angry. Game of Thrones Mafia all over again. Mattchew. I'm tired of him joining games when he doesn't have the time or motivation to play them. Make him sit out two games if he wants to play a game here again. Thanks to DoctorHelvetica, BioSC & HiroPro for hosting the game. | ||
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Bureaucracy Mafia was simply hell to play for scum and can't be compared with normal mafia. edit: Mafia couldn't push scumreads because they could be our teammates. Vice versa any townie pushing a scumread was 90% town. | ||
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Try to make up a train of thoughts for yourself (and remember it). It will make it easier to sell to the town what you're doing was logical if questioned later. | ||
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On October 19 2012 06:53 gonzaw wrote: It speaks for itself that you need to "find motivation" to play scum, while you don't to play town. It's not what I said. IF you feel the need to motivate yourself. Some people love the feeling of tricking and fooling the others, they're not good enough to catch you. Some enjoy hunting mafia. I do both but I agree with marv. It's more fun to be town because nailing a scumshit is <3. | ||
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Other games. PYP Redux: You shot scum on gut instantly, then you played like "I've done my part". Despite being confirmed town scum didn't priority killing you. Moviestar Mafia: I couldn't read you because you did nothing and you turned out to be scum. But you summarise it best yourself. In this game when you defended yourself against accusations of apathy and inactivity you bring up yourself that your meta is to be apathetic and inactive. I don't understand how you can say it yourself and still be so blind. How are we supposed to read a person like that? How would you handle a game with a person who plays like that. You're having trouble motivating yourself and occasionally everyone does. But you can't join games and only play them if you feel like it. | ||
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