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On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:


I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam.

On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.

Also I'm not a fan of his content.

On September 30 2012 21:54 kushm4sta wrote:
I like to always have my vote on my top scumread. Even if it's a weak read. FOS is reserved for secondary scumreads.
GLHF
I will try not to act mature and not be an attention whore.

On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:


I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam.

On October 01 2012 13:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Yeah shady's arrogance that he thinks he can save us from the trolls (myself included) makes me want to lynch him really badly the more I think about it.
Not for good reasons...I don't need a lecture about it.

On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:


He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green.

On October 01 2012 03:38 kushm4sta wrote:


From this quote it seems strategically beneficial for scum to be semi lurkers.

Unrelated and seemingly contradicting what I just said,
##FOS Risen.
Why are you even thinking about what playstyle will keep you from getting lynched?

On October 02 2012 06:50 kushm4sta wrote:
BC I like your defence of kj more than your scumreads. You basically you are distancing yourself from this lynch without pushing a viable alternative.

The recent post from VE.
I'm not quite sure why you keep saying it doesn't matter even though you clearly think it does.
Do not take this as a flame:
Anul made you hid bitch and now you are dickriding him?
You prod him lightly, he rages, you run away scared, then you praise him for being a difficult target?

What makes him a difficult target...high hanging fruit?

On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote:
Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out.

On October 01 2012 16:44 Risen wrote:


Because apparently that's how you should play as town. I've been doing it wrong since day 1. The point isn't to win, it's to avoid getting lynched as town.

Also, I feel like I'm invisible...

On October 02 2012 12:50 kushm4sta wrote:
I urge some people to move off shady and onto node.

If he is playing scum he probably wouldn't just allow himself to be replaced like this.
What if we get someone super active and awesome instead of him?
He's definitely going to be PROBABLY replaced, possibly modkilled.

Kill node instead.
Node has been after me indiscriminately. As the weakest, scummiest meta, active player I am very good scumbait..low hanging fruit.
He has contributed nothing helpful in his filter.
See other people's arguments.

On October 02 2012 14:22 kushm4sta wrote:
annal
your case against me is dumb/lazy. I don't buy it. You've never played with newbs before? I doubt it.

You go from what looks like contrived anger to buddy buddy jokes with VE.

You derailed the Node bandwagon, thus securing the shady lynch. You acted like you didn't want shady lynch but your actions supported it.

##vote annul

On October 03 2012 11:38 Risen wrote:


Why?

This why applies to 2 things. Why am I still awake? And why not share your thoughts before daypost? Why are you taking your thoughts to the grave if you're a townie?

On October 04 2012 07:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Marv had no reason to bus Node like that. For a while it looked like Node was going to get lynched.
I do not suspect node anymore.

On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote:
Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.

Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn.

On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
im so town though

On October 01 2012 12:19 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm not going to lose any sleep over a shady lynching. He's basically turned into a hardcore lurker, which is even worse considering all the pressure he is under. Not worse as in more scummy but more lurkery,

Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter?
Before the game ever started:


Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum.

On October 04 2012 12:20 kushm4sta wrote:
##fos sloosh for saying im worth a vig shot even though I have a town read.
you would like that wouldn't you

On October 05 2012 12:57 mkfuba07 wrote:
The suspense is killing me. I hope we caught scum, guys!

On October 06 2012 06:28 kushm4sta wrote:
this is cosgs meta right? anyone have any meta informed reads on him?
I've never experienced him before.

On October 06 2012 06:21 kushm4sta wrote:
ve why are you lurking the thread watching for your name to be mentioned?

On October 04 2012 00:59 Coagulation wrote:


lol butt hurt townie detected.

You will be ok big boy walk it off.

On October 07 2012 09:31 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa who is your top scumread? someone who is still in the game now

On October 07 2012 11:33 Coagulation wrote:
I dont know whos scum yet
want me to fake it for you?

On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote:


Extremely cool, because it means you're scum.

ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does.

His statement:

isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction.

I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this:



Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town?

The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie".

One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is.

This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
>fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play,

This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv.

ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress,
and since I've called you out you've posted even less.
Unless you want to be vigied at best
you should respond properly to this ##FoS

On October 09 2012 15:32 Keirathi wrote:

Yea, its WIFOM.

But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it.

Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable").

So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates.

So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that.

Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2).

On October 09 2012 17:24 kushm4sta wrote:

My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that.
Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this.
Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom.

On October 04 2012 00:59 Coagulation wrote:


lol butt hurt townie detected.

You will be ok big boy walk it off.

On October 09 2012 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:
VE why are you so hard on my ass all of a sudden?
First you lie about suspecting coag.
Then you say you are going to look through my past games to figure out if I'm a moron or scum. Did you do that? I hope not because it would be a collosal waste of time given how limited your time must be to justify your lack of contributions to this game.
But if you actually did that then kudos to you. You should have come to the conclusion that I am indeed a moron. So why are you so suspicious of me? Because marv and hapa defended me? Well scum node attacked me. I think mafia see me as an easy target and use me to distance themselves from each other.
I am an easy scum target because I have acted superficially scummy.