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##vote shady sands ^policy lynch | ||
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There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me. Also I'm not a fan of his content. | ||
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GLHF I will try not to act mature and not be an attention whore. | ||
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On September 30 2012 22:30 Kreb wrote: @kush You still didnt reply to what you dont like about Shadys content. I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam. | ||
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On September 30 2012 23:11 Keirathi wrote: SO ALL CAPS = SCUM? I don't follow your logic. That's why I said policy lynch not scum lynch. And yeah I realize this is a contradiction from saying top scumread gets vote but I don't have a top scumread so it goes to a policy vote. Also making too big of a deal of this, but I am happy to entertain any and all questions nevertheless. | ||
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On September 30 2012 23:32 Keirathi wrote: Okay, so just to be clear, was your vote on Shady a policy lynch because: Or a scum lynch because: Honestly, either one is terrible reasoning. All of the above reasons lol. I always like to have a vote parked on someone, that is my sick new mafia policy. So no there is not a great reason for it to be there, just a bunch of shitty reasons. To the people saying shady's reason for trolling makes no sense: it makes perfect sense to me although it seems like a terrible idea. I don't know why shady feels the need to warn the trolls (let's just call them that for now even though the term does not apply perfectly) by way of example. Just for the minute possibility that it will be relevant to the scumhunt ahead, I would like to share that my role pm contained a warning that this game will have a zero tolerance trolling/flaming policy. I'm sure the other players with a reputation for trolling got a similar warning. So shady that means your lesson was quite uneeded. Also my role pm said I was town. | ||
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Note: I've only played minis in the past. | ||
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On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote: Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out. From this quote it seems strategically beneficial for scum to be semi lurkers. Unrelated and seemingly contradicting what I just said, ##FOS Risen. Why are you even thinking about what playstyle will keep you from getting lynched? | ||
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On October 01 2012 04:58 risk.nuke wrote: I'm thinking we kill kush. All in favor? TT just don't read my posts if you can't stand them. | ||
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not completely no reason but actually for a very small reason. Someone said he was acting like a little bitch. Who would really get mad at this? I don't know his meta at all though so maybe he is just an uptight mafia player? | ||
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##vote annul contrived anger | ||
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If you look at the trolling more closely you can see seeds of his plan within the all caps nonsense. I read it as the actions of someone who was fed up with trolls and didn't really want to play this game His absence supports this read. No doubt the mod pmed him, a little slap on his wrist. But it would sting to someone with such a sense of self importance on this webisite. That's part of why he hasn't come back. Town read on shady. | ||
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not troll perspective | ||
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On October 01 2012 10:38 Keirathi wrote: The scum motivation is that he feels trolling could buy him a free ride to the endgame because it has for people like grush/BM/YH/you (although I disagree with you being lumped in with those guys) in the past. Do you honestly think scum shady would use that terrible plan? The nature of his trolling was obvious unsustainable throughout the game. | ||
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Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter? Before the game ever started: On September 30 2012 11:20 Shady Sands wrote: /in I am going to play like a troll this game. You have all been warned. Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum. | ||
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I can't let a question for me stand unanswered. My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort. I put it there because I always like to have my vote somewhere, and he seemed like a good place to park it because 1 he was being annoying 2 he was being mean to me Mainly those 2 I think. Can you please not treat it like a big deal? I didn't. | ||
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Why is parking my vote on someone I don't think is scum a good idea? It's only a good idea in the beginning of the game when i don't think anyone is scum and have 0 scumreads on everyone. As for your second question, a vote has an innate power no matter how you use it. If someone has enough at the end of the day they die. If you use it to pressure it is like an exclamation point at the end of your argument, and that is something that will be ignored by any level headed scum. | ||
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Disclaimer: I am not familiar with either's meta. Also how VE backs off anull almost like he is scared and withdraws his vote. Just doesn't seem like the town thing to do. Goes from calling anull a little bitch to acting like one himself. Inconsistent behavior and I would like to lynch either VE or anull. ##FOS VE | ||
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On October 01 2012 13:02 Shady Sands wrote: k just got back from ryder cup and assorted festivities. have time to read through thread. ##unvote ##vote shady sands | ||
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On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote: I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. | ||
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Not for good reasons...I don't need a lecture about it. | ||
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Who is smurfing for who? Share your smurf theories please. | ||
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On October 01 2012 13:36 Keirathi wrote: If you're not even going to try to play the game, why the fuck did you sign up? Chill bro lay off them f bombs. I'm playing the game. Lynching who I want to lynch. | ||
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Then again I'm at quite a disadvantage because I do not know any of the big players meta. VE was quite scummy to me, for instance, like how he dropped that anul vote so easily with a really bad explanation. Marv says he is acting un accordance with his meta though, and that's not something I can really argue with. Let's just lynch shady. Worst case scenario, shady is gone. Sounds pretty win-win. He can get back to his CLIENTS. my read on him is null maybe slightly town. | ||
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On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote: holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta don't vote me for being honest about how I feel | ||
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On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote: Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out. On October 01 2012 16:44 Risen wrote: Because apparently that's how you should play as town. I've been doing it wrong since day 1. The point isn't to win, it's to avoid getting lynched as town. Also, I feel like I'm invisible... Let me revisit one of my FOSes. These two quotes seem like they are coming from a scum perspective. To Risen, lurkers are an easy way to not get lynched. To me, lurkers are an easy way for scum to hide. | ||
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Id also be down for shady(omgus lynch), anul, or risen. | ||
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primary reasons: seems like it's either him or me at this point and I would rather it be him some vaguely scummy posts. For me the scummiest thing is talk of past experiences with no reason. I think it's a topic scums go to naturally. ##unvote ##vote kingjames01 | ||
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thats not haiku although I tried to make it one but fucked up | ||
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Add to that list VE for the above post voting him. That guy seems to know his meta really well. ##fos VE | ||
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It looks like nothing is stopping the kj lynch atm. Bye kj | ||
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Marv mentioned that he was acting like his normal town meta. Who is right?? | ||
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What else do you suggest? Realistically. You say it's a lazy bandwagon but you are too lazy to push another. | ||
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That's why he's not here. I played with him when he was scum and he posted a lot under pressure. in newb 25 | ||
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that was quite hard to figure out. | ||
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The recent post from VE. I'm not quite sure why you keep saying it doesn't matter even though you clearly think it does. Do not take this as a flame: Anul made you hid bitch and now you are dickriding him? You prod him lightly, he rages, you run away scared, then you praise him for being a difficult target? What makes him a difficult target...high hanging fruit? | ||
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On October 02 2012 06:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I believe I pointed out two alternatives. Both for reasons I am willing to lynch them for. Given that neither has posted much, what else would you like me to do? I had given you a reason why I won't help lynch KJ and two possible alternatives. So before you spout lies, how about you read my posts. Do you agree with my read on risk? yes or no? Do you think my pointing out of austins behaviour revolving the "spy" word as fucking odd beyond belief given information required to know its not a role is in the OP. Seriously. Please read before you poke at me. I got a null read on all those people you said. And your cases? A few sentences if that. The cases are weak. They are not viable lynches because no one has voted for them as of yet. You need some kind of epic case to convince all those people quick enough. And your cases, if you wanna call them that, aren't going to convince anybody. | ||
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Can we lynch Risen instead? | ||
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why would you call someone scumshit...they didn't choose to roll scum and you don't have to insult them for it. | ||
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On October 01 2012 23:56 kushm4sta wrote: Let me revisit one of my FOSes. These two quotes seem like they are coming from a scum perspective. To Risen, lurkers are an easy way to not get lynched. To me, lurkers are an easy way for scum to hide. | ||
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revenge vote probably wont change again ##unvote ##vote shady | ||
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I dont want to vote shady because he's getting replaced I just realized | ||
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@Austin you say that his defense of shady has nothing to do with when shady disappeared. However, part of the reason node defended shady was because he was scumhunting, which he was doing somewhat before he disappeared. So the fact that the defense of him was before shady's disappearance does matter. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:10 annul wrote: this node push seems VERY forced, wtf it seems like it's forced by a lack of good lynch targets not by scum necessarily | ||
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I know he's prob not getting modkilled. | ||
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Most of shadys scuminess comes from his lurking. His troll act did not seem scummy we can agree on this. | ||
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I think he's probably going to be replaced because the host said he was gonna replace a bunch of people? Also shady hasn't voted yet. If he votes last minute that will be hella scummy sure but I doubt it's going to happen. | ||
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If he is playing scum he probably wouldn't just allow himself to be replaced like this. What if we get someone super active and awesome instead of him? He's definitely going to be PROBABLY replaced, possibly modkilled. Kill node instead. Node has been after me indiscriminately. As the weakest, scummiest meta, active player I am very good scumbait..low hanging fruit. He has contributed nothing helpful in his filter. See other people's arguments. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:52 kingjames01 wrote: So you want us to lynch someone because he's been pushing you? That doesn't prove that he's mafia. It's not about proving anyone is mafia. It's about choosing the best option. | ||
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##vote shady | ||
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your case against me is dumb/lazy. I don't buy it. You've never played with newbs before? I doubt it. You go from what looks like contrived anger to buddy buddy jokes with VE. You derailed the Node bandwagon, thus securing the shady lynch. You acted like you didn't want shady lynch but your actions supported it. ##vote annul | ||
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Yup you can discredit my suspicions of you all you want but it's only a matter of time before someone with towncred takes up the case. | ||
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100 percent of thrawn's reads are incorrect, so he just confirmed me town. For most of the day I did not give much of a shit who was lynched this is true. D1 what can I say. I.did definitely start giving a shit towards the end. I really did not want to lynch shady (that's why I was happy to move to node) until he voted at the last second which seemed hellsa scummy to me at the time. | ||
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Please explain why. No one has made a better case than the many against annul. Why not save Vig for the endgame when we have more information and better reads? | ||
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On October 03 2012 09:33 annul wrote: whats with all the lies by this cabal? "you not pushing anyone" o rly who would you say you've pushed?? Who have you made a good case on? The longest post by far in your filter is a mostly omgus defence. "Rofl"s everywhere. VE has said that annul plays a scary mafia... If this is his scumplay how is this scary? It seems like he is making himself quite an obvious target for lynching if he is mafia. | ||
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Yeah I never saw the praise of your lynch evasion skills used as a case against you. So who is your top scumread atm? Is it still me because it's been a long time since you mentioned me. | ||
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On October 03 2012 11:22 kingjames01 wrote: I'll go on the record and say that annul is my top choice for mafia right now. Mattchew, so after everything Day 1, your choices for scum are slOosh, BC and annul? If he survives the night, would you support a lynch of annul? Are you that disconnected from this thread? IF he survives the night? How dumb would scum have to be to nk a town annul... | ||
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On October 03 2012 11:43 annul wrote: i am not giving the reds any extra information as for what they want to do with me. So you are afraid that these reads you are going to share are so good that scum would nk you for them? Even though you are generally regarded as the scummiest person ATM?? I think no mafia would ever NK you tonight. What is more likely is that you do not want to waste the effort fake scumhunting if you are going to be vig shot. | ||
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Many people have already discussed vig shooting him and how it would be a good option. | ||
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all of the meta reads from thrawn are useless now. | ||
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Please stop interacting with known scum. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead. Medics, on me and marv. DTs, on BC and Mattchew. We totally got this. So there is this quote... lynch VE next. His reads have been real bad and they are supposed to be good. He and marv had ZERO suspicion of each other even though they prob know each other's metas really well. Marv defended VEs meta... why would scum go out of their way to do this to town, esp for such a valuable potential townie? | ||
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On October 03 2012 14:01 annul wrote: fuck yes we win TOWN DON'T BE STUPID. THINK CAREFULLY. this game is ours. gg gl Z-boson I think you said that the reason he said this was because of some interactions he had but how the fuck do we win from looking at just his interactions. He is acting really certain that is a big tell somewhere and I don't see it. | ||
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I do not suspect node anymore. | ||
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On October 04 2012 08:27 iamperfection wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836 Why did marv switch from bluelightz to obvious in this game on day 1. Marv was scum and led a wagon from one townie to another and the only purpose i see was to be confusing. I agree with austin we must decide each player by themselves and not play ourselves into to many wifom mind games on what marv would do or wouldn't do. Node has done nothing to make me think he is town. Yes but marv switching from 1 townie to another is different from switching from 1 townie to a scum. | ||
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On October 04 2012 08:48 slOosh wrote: Another long day at work :/ ##Vote: marvellosity Mementoss and Mattchew do you have actual questions for me or are you just gonna keep pointing out how I'm not as active as I usually am, and then go lurk? As for the VE suspicions, I don't see how being wrong is used as a strong indicator of alignment for him when basically everyone else made the same mistakes. Is that the case or did I miss something? It's basically that, his laziness, a couple of untownish posts, and inconsistencies. Someone should spoiler quote all the arguments against him into 1 post. | ||
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On October 01 2012 12:42 Z-BosoN wrote: + Show Spoiler + One more thing that I don't like is VisceraEyes's case history. Spends a billion posts tunneling annul, based on a "trying to spot clues" (?) read. Then suddenly feels that his emotions got the better of him, and reconsiders. Which is funny, because VE started the attacks. It's not like he was attacked and got emotinal. -snip- At this point I'm null - I got a false read on him early on, and while I think his anger at me seems a little contrived, I know I've overreacted once or twice to people calling my posts stupid or something. Once that I remember for sure. Maybe twice. I've seen him play scum. He's pretty terrifying and that may have biased my read earlier. Then in this post: On October 01 2012 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: @slOosh Shady is an intelligent guy. Poor play isn't something I'd use to write Shady off. I mean, he's not super awesome like me, but he's good enough to know that what he's doing is newb shit which means it has to be intentional. And while it's possible that he's being straight up with the whole "Oh you know, I wanted to martyr myself to the mod as an example", I tend to think that he's just trying get out of hot water before he's in it, so to speak...which is a scum trait. In fact, ##Vote: ShadySands Going MIA after making shitty accusations and troll entrance is like...strike three for me. @Everyone else I find nothing scummy about KJ's input on scumhunting in an inactivish environment. If that's all he's got, then we'll talk. As it stands though, that one singular post is better than the several who haven't posted at all. That being said, the whole "seemed contrived/was contrived" nonsense does need clarification. @KJ "...seemed contrived" is the same thing as "was contrived" in the context of analyzing behavior. If you're town, then if something "seems contrived" then that's suspicious because townies have no reason to fake it. Saying something that X said "seems contrived" means the same thing as "It looks to me like X is faking his reaction" - do you not understand how someone would get defensive about that? And then trying to paint it scummy (Y U DEFENSIVE) on top of that makes it seem like you're trying to set him up. Ultimately, you're after meaningful contribution and you have provided none. There's stuff going on in the game worth commenting on, and presently you're not. I'm willing to lynch into ShadySands, kingjames01 as it stands. We really need more content from everyone though. He finally addresses shady sands and proposes to vote on him. Now look at how he addresses kingjames. In this same post, he goes from a "not a scum read", to a "someone I want dead". At first I thought it was understandable because he was referring specifically to KJ's input on scumhunting in an inactivish environment. However, it's the bolded underlined part that gets to me. What I understood here is that if KJ only had the one post, he would be better than those who haven't posted at all. But then he goes to say that KJ is not commenting on stuff going on in the game (when, ironically, he himself had only just addressed shady sands, which is the first big issue) plus a bunch of other confusing stuff I don't follow, thus putting KJ as a bigger scum read than the rest. I'd like him to clarify this. This concludes the people I don't like so far. Out of those, VE seems the scummiest to me, because his play doesn't make sense for me from a town perspective, his conflict with annul seemed too fake. ##FOS VE On October 02 2012 01:13 talismania wrote: + Show Spoiler + so apparently this started I'm caught up to about halfway through pg 11 at the moment so forgive me if someone has already said this: VE is scum basically he has a cold hard activity tell on him that I don't think he's shook yet. see this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=73#1442 If I have time I'll make a pretty graph later. And he's made 11 posts in 24 hours in this game, right on target with his scum pace. His posts are qualitatively similar as well - they all tend to be of medium length with few of the quick one-off responses and conversational feel that his town play has. combine this with the fact that he's doing a couple of things similar to what he did in mad men: --Being a little inflammatory. He accidentally riled up annul, calling him a little bitch. He then said that he didn't mean it that way. Yet you clearly don't say someone is doing something "like" a little bitch without implying that they in fact are similar to a little bitch. His explanation was contorted and reads to me like he was goading annul more thereby shitting up the thread (might have worked had drH not stepped in). He did this in mad men as well ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=46#906 ) --spending day one going after "low-hanging fruit" discussion-wise. I give him some credit for being original with annul, but the rest of his posts are just harping on the usual early day one controversies (kj, shady). I know VE is good enough to know that this post is incredibly optimistic: On September 30 2012 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I've got my eye on ShadySands, annul and Mattchew right now. Pretty sure there's scum buried deep within that trio. Will you help me figure out who, if any of them, is most deserving of a rope around the neck? How is he really "pretty sure"? I'd say it's a trap or bait or something but he never follows it up as such. Instead I smell pre-justification. ##Vote: VisceraEyes On October 03 2012 21:33 Kreb wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 21:14 Z-BosoN wrote: Couple of thoughts from reading marvs filter, now that he is pretty much confirmed scum. First off, his reaction to kreb makes me raise an eyebrow. He was extremely aggressive for something that could simply have been a townie thought. Kreb also hadn't made an association case, he simply said that some people looked scummy. Also, kreb said that marvs node push made him look scummy and generally made a weak semicase vs marv. It didn't feel legit and marvs reaction felt forced. I myself don't know what I'm implying but I think this interaction will become useful later. There's also some interesting info regarding the node push. Marv stated that it didn't make sense at all from a mafia perspective, yet made the push. Pretty much an attempt at clearing suspicion. Now, I'm not gonna go and start accusing everyone on the node lynch because I myself sheeped it, as town. But Afaik, VE and marv basically started the Node push, and pretty much at the same time. Initially I thought this would clear node, but it's pretty easy to not actually make it go through as mafia. So, my conclusion from this is: VE looks pretty damn scummy right now. 1) He basically claimed he got RB(and its almost factual that at least one kill didn't go through). 2) marv showed weird hostility on the association kreb didn't make. 3) he co-led the Node push with another scum at the same time -> came from qt, quite possibly. They were pretty much caught with their pants down if it was indeed scum-influenced. Agreed. VE also didnt reply to any questions I asked him afterwards, nor did he reply to me calling him out for a very weak vote-switch to Node (left it to marv to do the dirty work by agressively defending my accusations while also clogging up the thread with plenty of posts?). He has also, should he be town, been either terribly bad or terribly unlucky in his scumhunting. Lets look at a few people he has touched on: 1) I've got my eye on ShadySands, annul and Mattchew right now. Pretty sure there's scum buried deep within that trio. 2 confirmed town flips. 2) Then the attack on annul - confirmed town flip. 3) After dropping annul, posting this I'm willing to lynch into ShadySands, kingjames01 as it stands. We really need more content from everyone though. while placing his vote on Shady. 2 confirmed town. 4) Voted Node - no flip on him yet though. 5) The worst part is that we didn't fucking lynch scum annul. Going back to annul (confirmed town) after mislynch. With very little motivation (and refused to explain himself when I questioned it). 6) Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead. Medics, on me and marv. DTs, on BC and Mattchew. We totally got this. Calling for a medic on a confirmed (yea, he is) scum, calling vig shot on a confirmed town. He is either scum or just randomly managed to call out about every single confirmed player (except Risen) the wrong alignment. VE is my top scum read atm. On October 03 2012 23:51 mkfuba07 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Alright, I'm going to be getting a bit more rest since I woke up for Code S. Current thoughts: I could definitely see VE being scum. His unfortunate scumhunting is a big piece of the puzzle, but his interaction with annul keeps nagging at me. On October 03 2012 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote: That's what you think...until he actually feels like he might be lynched. Then watch. *shiver* Palmar couldn't get the guy lynched. PALMAR. And his newbie brigade was in full force at the time! On October 03 2012 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: What's your point? Did I ever say it was a skill you exclusively possess as scum? I didn't think I did :/ It took me a while to figure out why I was so annoyed by these posts, but I think I've figured it out. VE first emphasizes that as scum annul can become "scary" (which I assume means that he can appear to become a good contributor, though VE never actually says how annul becomes "scary"), but leaves out the fact that he might do the same exact thing as town. It doesn't feel like VE is trying to inform the town of annul's apparent meta, as much as emphasize the scummy aspects of annul's meta and attribute it entirely to scum-annul. It would feel the same way if marv came in and said that I can be incredibly wishy-washy as scum. He's emphasized in previous games that I am the master of wishy-washiness regardless of alignment (though I've only ever been scum once, for little over a day). If he were to come into this game and try to convince everyone that I'm only wishy-washy when I'm scum, then I would be incredibly suspicious of him (In fact, I believe that's part of why he avoided talking about me at all despite my case being in the same post as the Node one). In VE's case, it looks like he tried to do a similar thing, and then when annul called him out on it he tried to minimize the effect. Why say that scum-annul can be "scary" if town-annul can also be "scary" unless you're trying to make vigis take the shot without a proper reason? It seems like a pretty scummy interaction from VE. I'd really like to hear thoughts from others, as this is the first thing I feel pretty confident about this game. Finally, I'm still waiting on input from mementoss... I know that 15 pages is a lot to go through, but I'm not going to put him aside just because one of the people who was calling him out is going to flip scum. 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Beacuse I don't remember you ever sharing that information. | ||
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On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. Dude my mom is an english major too... I think that means we are spiritual brothers. And that's cold about my recent posts! I think my posting has improved greatly since the first day as it always does. I've been giving my thoughts and reads freely. I've been asking people questions. The only thing I haven't done is made big wall of text cases. But honestly I threw away all my towncred d1 so I doubt anyone would read them anyway. ALSO This is a huge game so people who are better at this game always say what I would say better and before I do. Therefore there hasn't really been the opportunity or the drive for walls of text. ALSO compiling all those cases against VE.. that took like 20 minutes give me some credit there. | ||
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VIG or POLICY LYNCH me?? Wtf am i doing wrong? I have NOT been trolling at all. I have NOT been raging. I've been doing my best so go away and continue shitting up this thread with your useless thoughts that are always wrong. | ||
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Also if I get lynched can it please be darthpenguin (the replacement guy) who leads the bandwagon. I want poetic justice. | ||
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On October 04 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: You're literally saying you're voting for slOosh for something you did earlier in the game. Why is it okay for you, but it's a point of suspicion for slOosh? Not literally because the shady issue was referring to lynching. Slooooch is saying vig shit. | ||
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On October 04 2012 14:06 ToutEstChaos wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Z-Boson. I'd be interested to hear what other people have to say about this, in particular ShiaoPi, but also thread heroes VE, Kushmasta, and let's say... coag. OMG im a thread hero yayyyy.. I dont even know if that's sarcasm but fuck it I'm taking it seriously. The case against ShiaoPi... I hope you still have the receipt because I'm not buying! I want to say I can confirm shiaopi's meta that z-boson talks about. Quiet until the end of the game when it seems like he has a really good understanding of everything. I see him as a really valuable town asset. His activity so far has not been particularly suspect to me. I think it is a huge leap to say that his meta is to keep totally up to date on everything happening in the thread at all times. This thread is full of shit in a lot of places. Also he's playing another game ATM. Also IRL stuff. So it's very possible that he was just too busy to read the whole thread carefully at that time. About his "night-oriented mindset": dont see how you are getting this from one small post about role speculation. I am very confused about what roles there are myself and I would love for someone to explain the possibilities and point out the likelihood that someone may be lying. So 1 not useless speculation 2 that is actually just a small part of his content About his case on mkfuba: not a slam dunk but that's not really what it was meant to be. We just got a confirmed scum, so I see that case as shiaopi trying to mine our marv scum confirmation for any possible insight that can give us. Mkfuba following marv: i agree that there is some suspicion due to mkfuba for this. He follows marv real close and although he tries to give reasons for switching, they are pretty bad. Contrast this to me who also switched a lot but at least I was honest about having shitty reasons for voting someone. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. This is his mkfuba's reason for suspecting austin. I think it is a willful misinterpretation of "fun night." Why would a fun night mean you have something to talk about? It just means that there are a bunch of trolling and omgus etc. Maybe his cases are weaker than the ones you are used to, but if you are comparing it to cases he made in the end game, of course the early game cases are going to be weaker. @toutestchaos This quote from you explaining why scum wouldn't follow each other: This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. I think that is more true in mini games than large games. There are a lot of scum (I think someone said 6). So if there were only 2 or 3 than sure they would try to separate, but as the number of scum grows, so does the necessity for overlap. Also I agree that scum marv would probably not advise a scumbuddy to follow him that closely. But it's not like all scum is taking orders from him in the QT. If mkfuba is scum he is probably doing his own thing for the most part, and he is rather inexperienced. | ||
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THIS line in particular jumps out at me (yours not his) This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, Why would that line specifically jump out at you if it is basically a summary of his entire case?? | ||
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1 manufactured case 2 pushing everyone to comment on your manufactured case This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: The reasoning is located in the body of the argument. The sentence itself contains no reasoning, so how can that LINE be guilty of poor reasoning? | ||
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~~~~~ @marv I will guess the third party. Austinmc?? Total out of the blue guess though. do you actually have something constructive to add? Killing third parties furthers both of our win conditions. ~~~~~ does anyone know who said a quote along these lines "we will deal with the lurkers later but for right now there is a ton of scumminess in this thread that needs to be dealt with" Who the fuck said that!? I've been thinking about that quote alot but I cant' find it in anyone's filter. ~~~~~ No one is making any cases I find particularly compelling. Darth's on keirathi is fine but how I look at it, it's mostly based on lurking. Where are the sexy cases people!! Don't look at me beacuse 1 it would probably suck even worse than z boson's 2 dont have the effort in my right now | ||
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it's obvious and completely null to me. DP was talking about how he got to the part with all the marv trolling. VE says he thinks marv might be scum. It's a sarcastic joke. I know you wanted VE to answer but I want him to use his limited time to address things that really matter. | ||
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On October 05 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote: LOL. If the blatant trolling and WIFOM Bombs haven't told you. Marv is 100% scum. how do you know see that he's being sarcastic... it's obvious to everyone but you | ||
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You are right this game isn't the place. @toutes this is for you. not relevant to scumhunt however. + Show Spoiler + 1) Autism is more about the interpretation of gestures, implied statements in tone, and body language; a high-functioning autistic individual would have little more difficulty discerning written sarcasm than you or I. I can tell you think you are some autism pro so I cannot help but take this opportunity to deliver some ownage to you. Autism is an extremely broad disorder and the particular symptoms of it vary a lot. I'm sure there are some autistic people who would have a much easier time discerning sarcasm in person than in text. | ||
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On October 06 2012 01:35 DarthPunk wrote: I mean this is mind fucking me like crazy right now. But why would town Kreb be dropping WIFOM bombs on me? I think you mean why woudl town KUSH be dropping WIFOM bombs on you. Partly because I part of me wants you to lynch me and be wrong. Yes I will stop. | ||
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And yes I agree that this is derailing the thread.. unless you think im scum in which case its vital | ||
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coag just jumped on my bandwagon so hard... and his meta is not to be a sheeper. I'm waiting on this epic ve post. | ||
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@coag First you pop into the thread and say you want to fix me by lyching me. The you give your top reads as VE and BC. Why not me? Why BC? | ||
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##fos toutes This guy is good at the game and very experienced. You need to be afraid of the possibility that he rolled scum. Look at his cases: they are bad but subtly bad. Like his case against shiaopi was born from the fact that shiaopi hadn't read the thread. That is not indicative of alignment. He was searching for something to accuse and he found it in shiaopis laziness. Why is scum shiaopi less likely to read the thread than town shiaopi? When you think about it, it makes no sense. In conclusion: he is a pro making noob cases = scum. | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not - I'm reading the thread and happened to see my name mentioned. Why are you telling me what I'm doing without knowing what I'm doing? because you say nothing then say something the instant your name is mentioned. kind of like risk | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:51 slOosh wrote: ShiaoPi seems uncharacteristically aggressive this game compared to what I remember from LVII. Granted he was tracker but the general demeanor is more drastic than what a simple shy blue -> confident green could account for. His throwup of all reads looks more like a defensive play rather than a frustrated one. ToutEstChaos you seem smart - if kush were no more would he be your #1 lynch pick? shiaopi.he has answered.that already | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:59 kushm4sta wrote: oh just the fbi just took over this investigation I meant: oh shit the fbi just took over this investigation referring to the good people who just joined the game and started running things | ||
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What else can they do but give up?? The paramedic leaves zero doubt. VE where are you? You have been promising a big post for a while now and you have not delivered. I would understand if you were afk due to real life, but you respond to people and post shitty one liners. | ||
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On October 07 2012 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like to begin by stating, for the record, that I'm well aware that I've been less active than normal. For obvious reasons the lynches have been pretty set in stone - but on top of that the steering just went out on my car and I'm looking for a new one. I've been watching the thread though and I'm ready to put this down. Coagulation My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity. Also I think this is a scumslip. Discuss. Yeah I agree saying townie like that is a scumslip. I have made it before as scum. Also I suspected coag for other reasons I wrote about previously. ##FOS coag ##FOS risk ##FOS keirathi | ||
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On October 07 2012 03:43 Coagulation wrote: thats not a scumslip. its a fucking observation. You observed he was town when you looked at a list of your scumbuds and he wasn't on it? | ||
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On October 07 2012 03:47 Coagulation wrote: no jackass. I observed he was town when he got all fucking indignant and held a grudge and acted all butt hurt 2 days later cause I called him scum. Not clear on how that would make someone town? Also why am I a jackass I've been nice to you? @hapa + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2012 03:42 Hapahauli wrote: ^ listen to him He's really good. Well you are dead and I'm alive so what does that say about our relative goodnesses? | ||
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On October 07 2012 09:37 DarthPunk wrote: LoL. Why would you even bother asking Hapa anything? Beacuse if I was in hapa's shoes I would have a hard time answering that question, deciding if i should give a scum or town. I'm glad you actually clarified your case on me because I want everyone to see how dumb it is. It in itself is incredibly WIFOM. I could see the motivations for town or scum behind it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + my confirmed scum thread shitting in newbie 28 was way more effective than yours, and I did it without spamming. #1 you are violating a game rule: no spamming. Just the mod is too lazy to enforce it. #2 if you post a million things that obviously aren't serious then you aren't confusing town, you are just making it harder to read through the thread, which I suspect most people only do once anyway. Confusing town is way more valuable. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:21 BlackMamba24 wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Shady Sands (7): kingjames01 (2): keirathi, kushm4sta (1): VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Mementoss (0): austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler risk.nuke (1): Sharrant Node (7): Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kushm4sta, Z-Boson, iamperfection, BroodKingEXE, The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands, Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted. It's a little under 1 hour till deadline. Currently, Node is set to be lynched. (Tie with Shady Sands, he acquired 7 before Shady) We now know that this was a bandwagon created by scum and directed at scum. At this point it's 7 for node and 7 for Shady. Scum are really scared right now. Z-boson is the first scum to leave the bandwagon. He moves his vote to Coag, someone who isn't even a candidate for d1 lynch. (He thinks it makes him look less suspicious than switching to shady who he knows will flip town.) On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, there he is. I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation Well not giving a shit about meta is quite dumb. Also he moves from someone who looks actually scummy to someone who's meta points to null. At that time austin (confirmed town) posts about some of the resistance to the node lynch. He singles out coag, z-boson, and sloosh. Note that all 3 of these guys still look quite scummy. On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote: + Show Spoiler + I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node. In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, there he is. I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation Dude who randomly mentions Node On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? Paraphrasing austin: COAG discredits the bandwagon without even mentioning the scum was being bandwagoned. Z-BOSON previously randomly referenced forgettable node post 5 hours after the fact. SWOOSH also talks about the "nature" of the bandwagon. OFC he thinks it's off, because he knows his scumbuddies orchestrated it. In summary: more pressure on z-boson please. | ||
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Soft Defense of Playbad Vets This group is being FOSed by a lot of people (including me) just because they have very low activity and they are known to be good and experienced mafia players. This group definitely includes but is not probably not limited to: BloodyC0bbler, Keirathi, VisceraEyes To use their inactivity as a scumtell I think is unfair. Here is why: There are too many of them to all be scum. Therefore something else must be causing vets to afk
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DPs case against you boils down to a few points: Your attitude is aggressive. You didn't scumhunt enough (I would say is due to general inactivity). You didn't explain your vote on KJ enough. (I think you explained as much as most people and more than me.) You left your vote on KJ even though he wasn't going to be lynched. You explain your vote for marv. You say you are slow when voting for marv. Your increased level of not giving a shit. None of which are scumtells IMO. So now your method of scumhunting is saying "why don't you think I'm scum?" #1 this line is caused by guilt for inactivity #2 also it is in itself a way of scum hunting in which you don't have to pay close attention. You just have to scan for your name to be mentioned. | ||
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There are so many afk vets they are not all scum. Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which. These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell. That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia. ##fos risk, z boson, coag, sloosh | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Omfg austin really loves me. I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more. You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. This whole post is overly defensive, and defensive in the wrong ways. 1 He says he is just going to ignore austin. Austin's attacks have been very light up to thos point though. He says he is going to ignore them like they are some constant thing that is interfering with his scumhunting. Scum zboson says this line in order to make himself look like he isn't being overdefensive and cares primarily about scumhunting. 2 He tries to discredit austin's suspicions with a weak meta read based purely on omgus. More on z boson incoming. Making big posts on your phone is a major bitch. | ||
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On October 01 2012 22:27 Z-BosoN wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't know coag, and I don't know VE. On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2. [...] Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch. He references coags and shadys meta. On October 01 2012 23:09 Z-BosoN wrote: + Show Spoiler + @marv Yea his not making a single case yet with no followup for his vote on me is definitely suspicious. In XXIV he was all over the place. I don't like how most of the votes on him are based solely on the trolliness, which is an entirely different saspect. Kush is another player that is heavily scummy, and he has a very hard time making cases when he's scum, so I'd rather wait a bit before taking a stance on him. another reference to shadys meta. a reference to my meta. On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler + ]/spoiler]You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. a reference to austins meta On October 02 2012 11:06 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler + That being said, regarding Node, I'm definitely up for it. BC's meta on kj has softened my feel towards KJ, and Node's one post to AWOL is very scum-like. a reference to kjs meta On October 02 2012 12:02 Z-BosoN wrote: + Show Spoiler + Also, I can't find a good lynch target, so I'm viewing this mostly as a policy lynch. KJ still seems pretty damn scummy to me, but like BC pointed out, that's meta-consistent. (Right now in Day 1 I'm putting a lot of faith on what people are saying regarding meta. For example, I would rather lynch coag due to his shit posting, but apparently it's just the way he plays) He mentions kjs meta again and speaks to the importance of meta in d1 reads. Then he mentions coags meta again as the reason he won't vote for him. On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. [...] ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation So this is his reasoning for dropping node for coag. Suddenly, after primarily basing his reads on meta, he decides aw hell with meta, I'm going to vote for this scummy looking guy who has no chance of being lynched. @zboson Please explain why you suddenly decided to not give a shit about meta after treating it like your bible. Especially since later you continue to make meta a large part of your reads. Here is you being sheeping on shiaopi due to JUST meta: Here's you On October 04 2012 11:55 Z-BosoN wrote:[spoiler] This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play. k prom is getting impatient so I'm gonna wrap this up but look at his filter. His next post is some thoughts about my meta. Then he makes the wishy washiest "I suspect him but I don't" case on splooge. Guess what?? It references his meta with a link to some random past game. hard ##fos zboson | ||
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So you, me and darth are the only ones still playing? And darth is so tunnelvisioned on me it seems like he can't even think about anything else. Why risk over Matt? Well.honestly I haven't done a lot of thinking about either. However your case on Risk made sense to me while your case on Matt is more like trust me, I know this guy. I read Matt's filter and I find anything. Regarding my sudden improvement in play: You should realize that I'm very active even if I don't have anything to add or have time to try to figure things out. I am on my phone, reading the thread, posting whatever I feel like saying, agreeing or disagreeing with cases. That is what I've been doing. To people who say this or that about my meta, realize that this is only my third game as town. And the first shouldn't even count it was so bad. | ||
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On October 08 2012 02:21 Promethelax wrote: hey, open question to anyone who is town. Look at the day posts, look at the kill flavours. What do you notice? After you figure it out we should talk about this. Seriously. I don't notice anything. You do know that there are no clues anymore. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + romney doesn't want to cut taxes he said that like a million times | ||
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Do you still think zboson is town? If yes then why do you disagree with my case? | ||
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I am retracting my soft defense of you. ##FOS VE (I know you're scared) I just had a really important realization. I just realized that good mafia players who role scum might be playing bad because they are afraid of paramedics. | ||
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these are my current thoughts. ##unfos coag Case later. | ||
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On October 08 2012 19:15 Kreb wrote: I've got a what I would call pretty strong town read on BC so almost no chance I'll be supporting any case on him. And its not because of his pretty contributory posts, which I dont doubt he'd be able to do as scum too. Why then? Because of this: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each. Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself. However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading. In regards to the lynch yesterday. Not sure how shady was lynched, thought we had passed that when I was active in the thread yesterday. Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way. Why do you ask? Because node had so very few posts and was easy to cherry pick. The case was also poor on him given the fact that well, its node. The only thing that speaks badly about his posting thus far is the lack of it. Making odd posts like he has is very typical of his play regardless of alignment, and the biggest tell is his lack of involvement in the game. Rather then making a case on his posts someone should have brought up the fact that a veteran player had made such few and weird looking posts as the main tell over his one sentence on his why he thought shady wasn't scum. I am back for most of the night so I will go through the thread to make sure I can get more info out given that I have a horrible trend of dying day 1's these days. Context: I presented my thought in the Node wagon and the conclusions from it. Marv entered a discussion with me to discredit me/my case and to deny any support of it. He probably did a pretty good job of it actually since I wasnt really getting much support, although it was during an inactive part of the day. In comes BC and drops the fact that Marvs reasoning was flawed. Now, why the fuck would you do that as scum? Unless its some really deep plan behind it, if you're marvs scum buddy at that time you stfu and hope Marvs arguing gets support from the masses while I get discredited. OMG scum disagreeing with each other in the thread??? That NEVER happens! /sarcasm This is a really stupid reason to assume BC is town IMO. The points you brought up, kreb, were not important enough for all scum to discredit in unison. | ||
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On October 09 2012 03:08 Mattchew wrote: hey guys sorry i missed the last 2 days. was away from home all weekend I buy it. Corroborated by the other game he's in. | ||
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On October 09 2012 04:04 Mementoss wrote: guys i am back What were you talking about with "suboptimal play"? Also wtf is wrong with canadians having thanksgiving this early | ||
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Why? Because there are only 2 medics. There is no medic in this game other than paramedic (see role list) d2 austin claim shot and prot bc claim shot and prot marv prot by risen So this should indicate that there are 3 medics. I do not believe that is the case because 1) Any more than 2 would be pretty OP. 2) day 3. d3 hapa prot by mkfuba NO CLAIMS We have no more medics. If there was another medic, why wouldn't the person they protected claim? D2 mkfuba protected austin. A kp got blocked when VE was rb. BC took the blocked kp as a opportunity to claim he was shot and protected. | ||
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I give the reason (thankfully seconds before your claim). Now I'm scum because I'm trying to get towncred?? huh | ||
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I think he is completely telling the truth. It perfectly explains my theory. So another 2 days with an obvious lynch target....so cool. | ||
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On October 09 2012 05:54 risk.nuke wrote: Why do you believe the third party is sk? So you are suggesting that he is a third party who can't kp and his only power is to survive kps? | ||
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First you lie about suspecting coag. Then you say you are going to look through my past games to figure out if I'm a moron or scum. Did you do that? I hope not because it would be a collosal waste of time given how limited your time must be to justify your lack of contributions to this game. But if you actually did that then kudos to you. You should have come to the conclusion that I am indeed a moron. So why are you so suspicious of me? Because marv and hapa defended me? Well scum node attacked me. I think mafia see me as an easy target and use me to distance themselves from each other. I am an easy scum target because I have acted superficially scummy. | ||
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I would definitely not describe this game as damn fine work, although fubas crumb was really good. When I get home I will make a case against you VE. I hope you will respond to it rather than just disregarding me as a garbage player. | ||
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But the thing is everyone knows that they like to buddy up. As scum they are trying to imitate their town play. So wouldn't it make sense that they would also buddy up as scum? | ||
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Marv defending me means nothing. If that is your primary reasons for voting me then that is weak and you know it. DP your primary reason for voting me is that I fucked with you? You don't see how that is something a town or scum kush could have done? If anything it's a null tell. Look at my play, if you can bear to drudge through my filter. @VE your activity has been really bad and if you are town I doubt you put much thought into this vote. Why would you vote for an outlier candidate instead of a popular one? You haven't done of the legwork to make a case against me and convince others. | ||
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On October 09 2012 17:16 DarthPunk wrote: Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water. The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early . Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game? Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly. My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that. Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this. Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom. | ||
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OMG i masked my alignment with wifom bombs for 1 pages??? How long is my filter? More than 1 page. There should be other places to find scumtells why cant you find them? | ||
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On October 09 2012 17:31 DarthPunk wrote: My case on you has some WIFOM but is far from pure WIFOM. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you. And it is funny that your only defense is that you are not playing to your scum meta. Or is there something else that you are trying to achieve by directing me to your filter as your defense. My defense has nothing to do with meta. I'm saying YOUR defense has everything to do with meta so you should read my filter because I think it paints me really green without any consideration of meta. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you Everyone is aware of their own meta. Not all reads are based on meta LOL | ||
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On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Node is almost certainly not the scum. There was a very real possibility that he would have been lynched and annul was right, a bus in that situation would have been pretty suboptimal. Marv is definitely the scums. Whoever he never mentions in the game I'd probably have a hard look at. Otherwise I haven't reread the game (as I said I would :<) so I'm crippled until I do. BC what do you think of Mattchew? Marv is definitely scums huh? Sick scumhunting, except this is after he was outed by the paramedic. On October 06 2012 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Hapa Twice in one game. Damn fine work guys. Sick crumb fuba. damn fine work lol... paramedic opness is damn fine work? On October 07 2012 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like to begin by stating, for the record, that I'm well aware that I've been less active than normal. For obvious reasons the lynches have been pretty set in stone - but on top of that the steering just went out on my car and I'm looking for a new one. I've been watching the thread though and I'm ready to put this down. Coagulation My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity. Also I think this is a scumslip. Discuss. So this whole quote was a lie, so is this one: On October 07 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote: What's YOUR fucking point? That's my point. Why did Z-Bos' indignation just immediately mean that he's a butthurt townie? Why could he not be OMGUSing scum? Why can't he be insidious third party? JUST ADMIT IT YOU'RE SCUM AREN'T YOU?! Lie explained here: On October 08 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew on the other hand is not active and scummy. I never thought Coag was scum - I wanted to see who jumped onboard a shitty-ass case. Kush won. I'm presently looking over previous games to decide if I think it's because he's scum or because he's just really really bad. So is this a normal method of scumhunting for VE? I would guess not because he is considered a good player. On October 09 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll build a case when I have time. In the meantime, keep defending yourself against accusations I haven't made. I'm finding the reading incredibly interesting. If you know you dont have time, then why do you keep saying you will do things that you know you don't have time to do?! VE: he's playing bad he's playing scummy. Lynch him. ##vote VE | ||
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On October 09 2012 17:46 DarthPunk wrote: And it is very odd that you are just defending yourself and not OMGUSING like crazy right now. Which is what you usually do regardless of alignment. Add to that really good analysis out of nowhere. I could easily see you being coached this game. So anything I do, play like shit or try to play good, makes you more suspicious of me. Here's some true omgus for you: + Show Spoiler + I used to think you were good when you caught me d1. Now I realize that you just got lucky, and actually you are bad. I suspected your extreme badness when all your reads were dead wrong after you lynched me in the newbie game. However now your badness is confirmed. vote darthpenguin confirmed baddie | ||
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He is either 3rd party or vet but I haven't seen compelling evidence favoring one or the other. BC's sloosh case - I think a lot of the points BC brings up can be explained by sloosh's afking/disinterest. Basically not reading the thread, which I can't blame him for. I am still undecided whether or not I could bring myself to vote for sloosh. @sloosh how are you so sure that BC is 3rd party and not vet? | ||
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It's risky to lie about a roleblock. We have had 2 rb claims this game, VE and momentoss. The lack of RB claims makes it seem like there is only 1 RB. The fact that momentoss was RB means that there is a scum RB. If there is only 1 RB and it is scum, a scum VE getting roleblocked is impossible. So either: 1he lied about getting rb (the real scum rb died that night) 2he's town 3there is also a town rb and people just aren't claiming Disregarding his play, 2 seems the most likely. | ||
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z-boson is my top scumread and I would be willing to vote for him. For the 7-7 reason and for his over-reliance on meta except when he completely throws it out the window to switch votes and save a scum. | ||
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On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Node is almost certainly not the scum. On October 10 2012 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote: He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today. | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Kush fits the bill for newbie scum trying to blend in with town. Look at his D1 play when everyone was screaming at Shady. He slipped that he knew Shady would flip town, but wanted to kill him anyway. D1 at the end I had my vote on node, and I left it there until shady showed up like 5 minutes before lynch. I thought that was really suspicious and node wasn't getting lynched anyway. | ||
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They mean that your reads are either really bad this game or you are scum. | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:30 Kreb wrote: Neither of these reply to the question. Why do you want to lynch 3rd party rather than scum? Actually, that could be a question for everyone. Even if we knew BC was 100% 3rd party, do we really wanna lynch him? Does mafia or town benefit from keeping 3rd party alive? Well it's not really a relevant question at this time since we don't know that BC is third party and we also do not know the nature of the third party. I would say if it has a kp then it's definitely better to lynch a confirmed third party | ||
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How certain are we talking about? 100%? When I flip town if you get your lynch, how surprised will you be? | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Also, Mementoss commented on your "retraction" of scum read on me kush - was that all bullshit or did you really have a change of heart? He has a town-read on you because of it, so think carefully about how you answer. If not for the RB thing I would definitely want to vote for you. My vote is still on your now because I'm conflicted about it. I did not have a full on change of heart but the seeds of doubt have definitely been planted. Unlike you, I am aware that my reads can be wrong since they have been wrong so many times in the past. Something else that is impeding my read is that my suspicions are largely based on your reputation as a good player. (If this was your first game I probably would not suspect you.) However I have no first hand experience of your play, and I haven't read through any of your games, which I should probably do but just haven't. | ||
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I like a z-boson lynch. Yes he plays a noob town but I dont think that excuses his scum slips. I would vote for sloosh because BCs case is pretty decent, and he did not answer as to why he knows BC is third party and not vet. | ||
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On October 10 2012 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: So can I assume you disagreed with Kreb's case Kush? He made a case against me too - while he admits to not knowing "my meta" the way you did, he raised a few points that had nothing to do with my meta. Does his case have no merit for you? Yeah I really hate kreb's case lol... it's all about marv wifoming | ||
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I'm super town seems pretty obvious to me Also @ VE yeah it's what you said about kreb's case because it's true. Kreb makes really bad cases. | ||
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On October 10 2012 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Expand on ypur thoughts on ZBoson please kush...I'm inclined to agree that he looks pretty bad but why do you think so? I have 2 really big posts against him. He has had no activity in the meantime. Have you even read my filter lol | ||
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his response to austin's pushing is really weird. he says "I'm ignoring you" before that is called for. He changed his vote to coag to save node from being lynched. His reasoning: screw meta I'm voting the scummiest person. His over reliance on meta in all his other reads. Except for the time when he had to vote change to save node. | ||
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On October 10 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: This is the post. This post here. I read Kush filter three times looking for THIS POST. It's the post where he accidentally tells us he's scum. Note his incredulity. Why would that conclusion be so surprising to Kush unless he already knew annul was town? He is saying that annul would definitely live the night on the supposition that scum would NEVER kill him. But...why? And he doesn't even factor in TOWN kp as a possibility. It all betrays a scum mindset guys. Haha you read my filter 3 times I'm sorry. I was not considering the possibility of a vig shit when I wrote that. It did not make sense to me that scum would nk him since so many people wanted to lynch him. | ||
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On October 10 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote: can we lynch bloodyclob for being alive? huh? scum tried to kill him once. then he went afk. then there was the 3rd party possibility. Scum wouldn't nk a 3rd party. | ||
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The thing is it doesn't make sense that a mafia would give up their life just to lynch me. This is why I think it's possible someone framed me maybe. | ||
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Let me just make this clear though...either VE is lying or I've been framed. VE I'm going to want those pics BTW. | ||
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@ve don't you realize there is the possibility that I've been framed? The question is why would they frame me if I want even that big of a suspect. | ||
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On October 10 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: I know what you are trying to do. I did it in LVII at MYLO/LYLO. It's not going to work so die quietly plz. cool your so smart and experienced and awesome. why not agree to my terms though? is it because you know I'm town? if you are certain I'm scum you should have no provlem agreeing to my terms. | ||
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I'm shut up now. can't wait for lynch. I will post 1 more thing before I die. | ||
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On October 10 2012 06:37 iamperfection wrote: ............my head hurts. On October 10 2012 09:09 iamperfection wrote: i have to rethink everything now. rethink this guy sloosh and mattchew: wait these are different people? I can't tell them apart. I think they put pressure on each other earlier in the game but nothing ever came out of it... possible bus I'm thinking. Also their interaction with BC, calling for a lynch even though he is probably vt, is very suspect. VE: this is a tough one. I'm curious to see how he will excuse this mislynch. His claim does seem like it would be pretty stupid to lie about. I've probably been framed if I had to guess. Darthpenguin: this guy is just an idiot probably not scum Z-Boson super epic hella scum right here. Look at his actions around the d1 lynch. BC: unsure of 3rd party or vt shiaopi: null. doesn't seem especially scummy risk:Not sure. I would prefer to give him time. There are others who are scummier. Coag: Where is his scumhunting?!? I'm thinking scum but he's such a bad player I could see him being either. keirathi: im thinking town right now kreb: town but maybe you want to kill him anyway so you dont have to read any more of his garbage cases? momentoss: town kush: towniest person here you nubs | ||
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On October 10 2012 12:50 DarthPunk wrote: Why are you trying to change the bandwagon onto sloosh? You listed Z - Boson as your number one scum read. Surely you should be pushing him to get lynched. Or do you just not care as long as it isn't you? yeah i would be happy with either sloosh or zboson instead of me. I would prefer zboson but I'd take sloosh and he seems like a more popular option so I figure he is a more viable alternative bandwagon | ||
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On October 10 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @Kush I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town. @Town I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway. yeah but what would a coroner do? traditionally coroner is someone who can tell the alignment of someone who already died in games where alignment is not revealed upon death. Apparently the role names were changed when this game was switched to a non clue game. So we don't know which role turned into the framer. Seems like coroner must have. I realize I have to die but it's sad @VE why did you check me over other people?? Did you really think I was more suspicious than risk, z boson, matchew, splooge? | ||
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That happened back when he doubted the existence of 3 medics (explained by bc third party or vt) It just happened again here. z-boson: Regarding the VE claim Right now, I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people, but I find it even harder to believe that someone would bother framing him. Someone also said there were no longer any miller roles (correct me if I'm wrong), so this makes it a ton more likely that kush is scum. The only other possibility is that this is a baller play from VE bussing his scum friend, but that's just... dumb. So he brings up 2 problems with VE's claim. 1 why the fuck would VE investigate me when there were way better people to investigate? 2 why would the framer frame me instead of any of the more suspicious townies? I think there is some weird role thing going on that we are missing. And why is the only other possibility scum VE bussing his scum friend? Why can't scum VE be lying about everything to kill a townie? If there is another private investigator I THINK you claim, just because I doubt there would be 2. | ||
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On October 10 2012 13:22 iamperfection wrote: kush what role are you. this is not a trick question just answer it. i am concerned citizen aka vanilla town | ||
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On October 10 2012 13:35 Z-BosoN wrote: Kush, so you agree with the problems I'm having with his choice of investigation. Also, your latest point against me has the reverse effect of what you are suggesting. I doubted the existence of three medics, and guess what, there are in fact at least three medics. Also, scum don't know blue roles. I don't know what you are implying. How are there 3 medics?? There are only 2 | ||
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Screw you zboson you can't gain townpoints from my mislynch. | ||
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On October 10 2012 14:01 Coagulation wrote: coroner implys its a role involving dead bodys. unless your dead thats dumb if u think it can frame you. so what would be the point of a role involving dead bodies in a game with full role reveal upon death? | ||
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On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote: Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch. I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here look how zboson already knows im town and he keeps hinting at it. Here he is setting up DP for his suspicion after I flip town. Lynch zboson next please. | ||
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On October 10 2012 14:16 Coagulation wrote: meh.. zbos looks like try hard town to me does he still look like that if i flip green? | ||
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On October 10 2012 22:47 Mattchew wrote: i see the benefits, i don't think you see how unrealistic and hard it is to get real discussion going when the biggest threat is the mighty feared FOS he is quite right. how about you don't lynch me and lynch someone else...that is a good option imo. BTW why did VE reveal so early? he didn't even fight for the lynch to keep his roll a secret. Revealing this early, ad mattchew pointed out, stiffles discussion. | ||
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but yeah he has been pretty good recently. | ||
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how can someone make up a claim like that? | ||
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also don't get caught up too much in my reaction as part of your case because I'm going to flip town. just a heads up | ||
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then you tell me to stfu when I bring up the possibility of you lying hmm | ||
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I'm not saying we need your life story or even something other than an excuse like "IRL" is necessary, but it's a double standard if you question BC for the same thing. | ||
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Why did you save scumnode? Why have you based ALL your reads on meta except for when you had to swtich of node and you said to hell with meta? How did you automatically know something is fishy after the d2 post with the amount of medics? How do you know I'm town? | ||
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not my biggest scumread but it's his fault im dying. | ||
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also remember our agreement remember it./ | ||
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Nice VE: On October 11 2012 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're scum Kush, I thank you for actually playing the game instead of giving up and shitting up the thread like Marv and Hapa. Seriously, this is how scum are SUPPOSED to act when faced with seemingly insurmountable odds against living. Same if you're town. It would be so easy for you to give up and AFK. So kudos to you for trying dude, I'm serious. Mean VE: On October 11 2012 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what...fine. I'll treat you like.the piece of shit player you are. I can't wait until you're not allowed to post in this thread anymore it will be a breath of fresh air. Good luck convincing anyone of anything scum. Everyone knows you're scum so any further posts you make equate to, literally, masturbation. I prefer if you jack off elsewhere. Also: he started playing AFTER the 2 paramedics were dead. After I flip he's going to say "well I guess there's a framer." Right now I'm putting it at a 50/50 chance that he's lying. So do not trust where he leads you after I die. | ||
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Also I will definitely change my vote off VE because he's not getting lynched and I don't think he should. There are more certain scum IMO. | ||
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##vote z-boson | ||
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The only reason you said it is to look right when I flipped. | ||
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I have been contributing for a while now. I have not been disruptive. My death is not a good policy lynch. My death will not net you any reds. My death will not tell you anything about VE. All it will do is waste a lynch on a very active townie. There are a lot of people who are scummier than me. Unvote me and we can decide which to lynch. I like zbo. Alternatives: sloosh, or mattchew. Both want to lynch BC with 0 explanation for why he can't be vet. | ||
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I think he is afraid to show force in this situation because of how he would look after I flip. | ||
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That is not the issue at stake here really. How will my flip green verify the cop claim? | ||
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ZBO I just want to get on record for future town to see: What do you think my alignment is and how certain are you? | ||
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What do you think my alignment is and how certain are you? | ||
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Z-BOSON please please please: What do you think my alignment is and how certain are you? | ||
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Keirathi you know I'm town. Save yourself the guilt of voting for an innocent. @keirathi Looks like I'm going to get lynched. When I flip are you going to push for VE lynch? Or will it pretty much be back to square one before VE ever claimed? | ||
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In what circumstance can his claim be proven to be fake? | ||
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On October 10 2012 12:02 Z-BosoN wrote: Regarding the VE claim Right now, I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people, but I find it even harder to believe that someone would bother framing him. Someone also said there were no longer any miller roles (correct me if I'm wrong), so this makes it a ton more likely that kush is scum. The only other possibility is that this is a baller play from VE bussing his scum friend, but that's just... dumb. | ||
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On October 11 2012 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're scum Kush, I thank you for actually playing the game instead of giving up and shitting up the thread like Marv and Hapa. Seriously, this is how scum are SUPPOSED to act when faced with seemingly insurmountable odds against living. Same if you're town. It would be so easy for you to give up and AFK. So kudos to you for trying dude, I'm serious. then i post this. my point risk for VE is that if someone else claims DT. On October 11 2012 03:54 kushm4sta wrote: dont take that as mafia trying to get a dt to counterclaim lol.. but I think that if a dt counterclaimed you guys should lynch the fuck out of VE. I post this questioning his questioning of BC for afking at the SAME TIME PERIOD that he was afk: On October 11 2012 04:16 kushm4sta wrote: Also how can you suspect BC for not playing optimally in the beginning when your was just as bad if not worse? Also for LESS defined reasons? BC had that grandmother stuff or whatever. The only reasons you gave were your power steering for the first day, then IRL for the days after. I'm not saying we need your life story or even something other than an excuse like "IRL" is necessary, but it's a double standard if you question BC for the same thing. And he goes crazy: On October 11 2012 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what...fine. I'll treat you like.the piece of shit player you are. I can't wait until you're not allowed to post in this thread anymore it will be a breath of fresh air. Good luck convincing anyone of anything scum. Everyone knows you're scum so any further posts you make equate to, literally, masturbation. I prefer if you jack off elsewhere. People are saying scum VE would never fake claim because that's a 1 for 1. But it's not a 1 for 1 because there is no way to PROVE the fake claim. He is known for doing shit like this as scum. Remember that. ##fos VE | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm hovering somewhere between 95 and 98% with you Kush. If you flip town I'll shit my pants. Literally. And post pictures. pm me if you dont wanna post them on the forum going to make that my desktop background | ||
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glhf town | ||
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On October 17 2012 13:02 BlackMamba24 wrote: VisceraEyes, the Private Investigator, has been lynched! justice | ||
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