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ShiaoPi
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September 25 2012 01:18 GMT
#22
I thought you did rather "well" for your standards xD
Just listen to me next time!
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September 30 2012 04:33 GMT
#93
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless
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September 30 2012 04:47 GMT
#98
On September 30 2012 13:41 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless

Because no one ever punishes Chez or Kushm4sta or YourHarry or GRush or BM for it

why should i play the game seriously when i end up getting mislynched or shot anyways, even AHEAD OF THE OBVIOUS FUCKING NON CONTRIBUTORY TROLLING IDIOTS =)


So your first thought is to mimick them to ruin even more games by trolling? Good job...


fuck you, like seriously, why the fuck do you sign up just to screw a game over, I thought you had maybe a plan or higher scheme to go along with this kind of bullshit...after losing LVII cause of grush and BM I thought it can't get worse...obviously I should have expected the worst....
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ShiaoPi
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September 30 2012 04:59 GMT
#104
Shady besides you with your /in post nobody on the list looks like an obvious troll/unreadable kind of guy. (besides grush on the replacement), so I do not think this whole "gambit" as you call it was necessary...
Spare me that kind of crap, you obviously wanted to troll around. you won't get thanks for nothing from me.
Still kind of angry here, I'll be out to grab lunch and cool off...
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ShiaoPi
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September 30 2012 06:38 GMT
#121
On September 30 2012 15:16 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 13:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady besides you with your /in post nobody on the list looks like an obvious troll/unreadable kind of guy. (besides grush on the replacement), so I do not think this whole "gambit" as you call it was necessary...
Spare me that kind of crap, you obviously wanted to troll around. you won't get thanks for nothing from me.
Still kind of angry here, I'll be out to grab lunch and cool off...

Hey i think your full of crap

Shadys actions made you angry enough to leave the computer just because shady
ALTernated With cap or typed in ALL CAPS. Come on

ya im not buying it and i think you just wanted to weigh in on the situation and then have an excuse to leave.

## Vote shiaoPI

Talk to me shiao i wish to know more.
[/b][/b]

just got back.

it made me angry, because I know that he can play a good/decent townplay (obsed the game where he was masoned with keirathi) there is no need to resort to trolling/being useless just because some people do not get penalized for it. Onto my so called "excuse". I was angry and also hungry since it was time for lunch....So I say that I am out for a bit of time to eat and cool off a bit......I am terribly sorry for having the human need to sustain myself....
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October 01 2012 08:15 GMT
#270
Uhhh...catching up
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ShiaoPi
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October 01 2012 08:47 GMT
#274
@Shady:
Mind doing stuff? Do you still want to lynch Z-boson? If so why? What makes you think that there are smurfs? Anything you want to share from reading the filters?

In regards to KJ:
Reading his filter it just looks messy and kind of contradictory as many already pointed out. I am not so sure if he is scum though, for all this talk of "fake"-contributions, he has done more than many other players (me included) until now. If you look at his thoughtprocess from his point of view it kind of makes sense.....Conclusively said I would point him as nullish now, need more from him to read him better.
@KJ:
Who do you want to lynch and why?



LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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ShiaoPi
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October 01 2012 13:19 GMT
#286
Hey kush, mind popping back in and answering questions?
who would you rather lynch then? I think it is still more than enough time to get a new target out.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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ShiaoPi
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October 01 2012 23:57 GMT
#445
Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.

Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands

KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read.
Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?

In regards to the other lynch-candidates:
Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.

I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.

On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.
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ShiaoPi
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October 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#448
On October 02 2012 09:06 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.

Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands

KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read.
Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?

In regards to the other lynch-candidates:
Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.

I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.

On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.


Read as: Oh he would have been high on my lynch list b/c I think his play has been scummy, but someone else came in and said his meta is scummy so he's p much town to me now.

Make sense to you? Doesn't to me.


Did you read the linked stuff? It is pretty easy to come to the conclusion I did in my opinion. Suit yourself though if you do not believe me.
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October 02 2012 16:00 GMT
#669
meh, shady, I'll probably save it for post-game talk....

@Kreb:
I disagree with your suspicions on austin, looking at the way he contributed (as soon as aperture 2 deadline was over) he gives me the usual townie austin vibe. While it is true that the entire Node wagon looked weird as it got that many votes over nothing ( and then unvotes again), I do not think that it must have been scum-directed. Approaching deadline we were much more split among node/shady as the austinwagon never took off beyond the majority-treshold (IIRC).
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October 02 2012 16:03 GMT
#670
EBWOP: fail for hitting post to early >_>

@Kreb:
Did austin's recent posts change your read? What do you make of his apprehension of your post?

@Sloosh:
I'll be giving matt another look.
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ShiaoPi
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October 02 2012 16:14 GMT
#671
Well looking over matt's filter was really quick, for one of the persons considered a "vet" he really has done awfully little. I must admit he really managed to completely blend in and not grab attention (at least to me).
So Matt, who would you lynch now? Why?
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October 02 2012 16:44 GMT
#675
holy shit austin, reading >_>
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October 02 2012 16:54 GMT
#680
uhh, too much posts and I am too tired to handle it right now, I'll be (re-)reading tomorrow. stupid timezone >_>
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ShiaoPi
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October 03 2012 13:46 GMT
#892
lol
##vote: marvellosity

Sooo give me some time to do some funky connection stuff with marv's filter now.
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ShiaoPi
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October 03 2012 14:20 GMT
#900
Sooo let's see what marv did this game:
- jumped and voted for shady (confirmed town)
- pushed KJ (confirmed town)
- defended kush with meta-arguments
- defended VE against talis (while putting some suspicions on him as well)
- gave some defense for sloosh
- pressured/flip-flopped on austin
- jumped really early onto the Node wagon
- dialogue with kreb regarding the node wagon.
- added pressure onto matt

That was a short summary of marv's filter, hopefully I missed nothing.
So what can we dissect from it?
First off VE looks pretty bad imo, the friendly banter between them and how marv immediately defended VE against the accusations of Talis (which were admittedly a bit weak) are things which kind of raise red flags for me.

Kush looks really bad as well. I will probably have to ponder on him for a while again before coming to a final verdict on him, but getting defended by confirmed scum when there was the real possibility of a kush wagon taking off is looking bad. Obviously marv could have also tried to gain town cred if kush would have flipped green. And with that thought I am in WIFOM territory, so I'll just keep an eye on him for now.

I think node looks pretty good now, with how easily marv jumped on him, still would like him to do something resembling scumhunting in any way though....

Now with the interactions he has with kreb regarding the node wagon, he really seems intent on insisting that it was if a scumwagonattempt then it would have saved shady instead of austin, while the way the votes came in kind of confirm what marv said, I still think that there could be the possibility of Kreb's scenario of austin/marv/ve as scum-trio....The confusing thing for me is now that austin reads as pretty townie to me, but if VE were to flip red Kreb's theory suddenly makes a lot more sense.

The interactions of marv with matt/sloosh were kind of a nullish tell (at least to me) both have not contributed much, so I would like both of them to step it up, I mean the term "vet" should really mean something (this goes out to VE and BC as well obviously).

Conclusively said, I will keep my eyes on VE, Kush and austin for now.
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October 03 2012 14:29 GMT
#904
On October 03 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:20 Mementoss wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote:
Okay I was definitely hit last night. Thanks for the prot.


How do you know this? If its not beneficial to me or the town don't answer.

Lol marv

##Vote: Marvellosity

Because I got a pm that said so.

Same way anyone knows they got rbed or shot or whatever.



So are there any further claims of notices? VE claimed RB and you claim a hit.
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ShiaoPi
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October 03 2012 14:56 GMT
#908
There is still KP missing I think.
Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol)
I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot.
Austin got shot and was saved.

So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games)
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ShiaoPi
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October 03 2012 15:04 GMT
#910
On October 04 2012 00:03 ToutEstChaos wrote:
##fos shiaopi

clearly not reading thread

very unlike his town play


Anything to add?
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October 03 2012 15:07 GMT
#912
On October 04 2012 00:05 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Read thread plox

cool story bro
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ShiaoPi
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October 03 2012 17:28 GMT
#967
okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so:

mkfuba07:
First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch.

Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them.

My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.

I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause.

is awfully close to + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin:

- he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents.

So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention)

- the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us
- that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time.

If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now

##unvote


Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote:
What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 00:29 austinmcc wrote:
Man I missed a fun night.

On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.

Also I'm not a fan of his content.

Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think we should lynch BM24...
On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote:
game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way


You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago.

Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused...



While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture.

Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote

Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window.

As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain?

Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone.

##Vote Shady Sands


He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities...

I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again.

Not sure if this will do anything, but:

##Unvote
##Vote Node



Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch.

After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler +
On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:30 austinmcc wrote:
mkfuba, what is your read on Node? How do you view annul's actions before the lynch?
I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game?

...(checking through filters)...

...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me.


Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway).

Summarizing:
I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively.
What happened to your Node read fuba?



On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv?
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ShiaoPi
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October 05 2012 01:38 GMT
#1210
Looks like yesterday was a bad time to be busy with other stuff than mafia....

I'm gonna first respond to Toutestchaos:

On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote:

ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does.



Not to get into your behavior analysis too much, but I still think I know best what I am doing and while I do read the thread in detail I do slip up from time to time, stuff happens. Don't know how that is alignment-indicative though. It's not like making a mistake/messing up is a exclusively scummy thing.


His statement, isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction.

I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this:


Explain to me how it does not follow a town-mindset to try and figure out as much information as there is through the flips and night-actions. All I did was attempting to gather information and get it out to the thread. I dunno about you but there are plenty of players who do setup speculation whenever it pleases them (maybe not in this game but generally). I do not see setupspeculation as being something scummy. If you insist to see it that way, I cannot help you.


Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town?

The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie".

One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is.

This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
>fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play,

This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv.

ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress,
and since I've called you out you've posted even less.
Unless you want to be vigied at best
you should respond properly to this ##FoS


The real issue seems to be you not liking my case, the other things are just what you claim I did to fuba: "if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count."
You are also directly contradicting yourself, you first acknowledge that my case writing skills are not good and then you proceed to call me out on a "bad" case. I think your FoS is stupidly weak and just there to divert attention off fuba's play. Regarding my inactivity yesterday, see top of the post...
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On October 04 2012 11:55 Z-BosoN wrote:
This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play.


Mindless sheeping of a bad FoS.
You actually want to critisize me for trying to be playing more active? lol I can lurk all day if you want me to.




On fuba:
I am less certain of my read now on him. His responses since I called him out had been explaining and informative, also clarified his stance on Node (who really should be posting something...).

Heading out to uni now. might check in via phone.
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#1277
Zzzz....,

On October 05 2012 11:01 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 10:38 ShiaoPi wrote:
The real issue seems to be you not liking my case, the other things are just what you claim I did to fuba: "if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count."
You are also directly contradicting yourself, you first acknowledge that my case writing skills are not good and then you proceed to call me out on a "bad" case. I think your FoS is stupidly weak and just there to divert attention off fuba's play. Regarding my inactivity yesterday, see top of the post...


1) I didn't say your cases were false, I just said your case-writing skills are bad. And they are. The logic underlying your cases, though, is always sound. You're an asset to town when you roll town. To be absolutely clear: You're a smart guy who doesn't do dumb things and has solid reasoning. High INT and WIS, low CHA. No contradiction here, just you making one up.
2) Saying "oh something out of the game kept me from contributing for a day" is meaningless. You know it's meaningless. Everyone does.


On October 05 2012 11:03 ToutEstChaos wrote:
I'm gonna be clear here, just so you know I'm not a rube, ShiaoPi: I am a smurf, not a new player. Don't try to pull a fast one on me, I won't bite.

Stop treating me (and everyone else in the thread) like morons. You're usually smart, communicative, and have good cases. Where's that this game? What's with this sloppy defense?


I just informed you that I was busy. Even though it is meaningless, I always feel obliged to tell so. Also I know that you are a smurf, it got kind of obvious with your low postcount and seemingly reading my meta. Where did I treat anyone as moron though? I don't know where you are interpreting anything like that into my posts....

You call it a sloppy defense, when I answered every aspect of your FoS? Better look at your FoS to start with then. Summarized you make a case on me for:
-not reading the thread in detail at a single instance and lurking
-a post about setup speculation
-a case which was bad in your opinion

How the hell am I supposed to deliver a "good" defense to that? It's not like there is much to explain, you stated your viewpoint and I made my stance on those clear, you still dislike them and pegg me as scum for that. Obviously cannot convince you to change your read on me with further defending since you seem hellbent to want to lynch me.
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#1280
On October 06 2012 01:19 ToutEstChaos wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote:
Who are your top scum reads atm toutes


You and ShiaoPi, as should be plainly obvious by my short, action-packed filter. Who are yours?


yeah, I am obviously not on the list anymore..........like, really?
I know that you are focusing on kush right now, but don't pretend I am not up there as well
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#1283
On October 06 2012 03:04 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 03:01 ToutEstChaos wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:00 ShiaoPi wrote:Summarized you make a case on me for:
-not reading the thread in detail at a single instance and lurking

//snip//

Obviously cannot convince you to change your read on me with further defending since you seem hellbent to want to lynch me.


Particularly funny, since clearly you're still not reading the thread cause you think you're my top scum candidate. Like, come on, man.


I also like how you implied you're just "not reading the thread in detail" when clearly you're not paying attention at all. This is why I think you're treating me like a moron. You think I don't read my own posts, or your posts? That I wouldn't notice that you still aren't reading the thread?

I hope you'd think a bit better of me than that.


The fun thing is, that I feel like being treated as a moron by you. You say my underlying logic in cases is sound, even say that the one on fuba had some merit (emphasis on some) and still say that it was just weak and disregard it as scummy fluff, then you just pull this one off, as if I am more than an inch behind kush.
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#1285
Your whole "excessive non-thread-reading" is ridiculous. Like seriously, just look at the exchange we just had, it's FUCKING OBVIOUS that I am reading the thread.

You are just trying to spice up a meta-read you want to have on me.
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#1288
verbal diarrhea? I am not the one, who started to shit up the thread with "moron, READ" etc.
I just feel like your entire thing is incredibly weak and am making it clear to the rest.

yeah you fosed me first without any reasoning, I just went on with what I wanted to do which was the fuba-case. He responded I took some steps back off it. Between these two I had no fucking time and therefore could not respond to your case earlier....

Whatever I only wanted to respond nicely to you before sleeping and ended up discussing stupidity with you. I really can't be assed to put up with that kind of attitude at half past 2 am. you'll get the reads tomorrow, at least I got some time to kill at the weekend. Doubt that I will get shot anyway thanks to you.
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October 05 2012 18:40 GMT
#1295
LoL, you will just call me out for not doing cases again if I drop reads without reasoning, whatever the fuck here comes:

scummy as hell: VE, Coag and Matt, various reasons for each, but mainly for being vets their impact has been close to zero in this game.

scumleaning: BC, Sloosh and whoever replaces for Node, I know I had him more on the townieside but fuck it no reason at all to go MIA like this.

kind of wary off: Sharrant, risk, fuba, boson and kush

Es-tu satisfait de mon travail, mon ami?
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#1296
ebwop: oh missed iamp on the wary-list, now sleeping
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#1298
On October 06 2012 03:44 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Well, I'd have believed it better if you'd divulged these reads immediately rather than waiting 20 minutes (enough time to, say, make up for not reading the thread), but this is infinitely better than before. I recognize that I've been somewhat strident with you.

Thank you.


I saw that on my last check on the thread on my phone in bed(like this one). bo getting out of bed again, walking to the desk, booting up the pc and getting my spreadsheet out takes time :O

night for realz now
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#1475
lol
whats with all these paramedics? :D

##vote: Hapahauli
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#1614
On October 07 2012 16:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. Where the fuck are:

Shiao Pi

Mattchew

BloodyC0bbler

These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game.

I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence.



sup I am here, whatcha want?
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#1616
DP, you know my meta, I am a horribly bad townie in the first couple of cycles, always lurking around and stuff, now I tried to make an effort earlier with the fuba-case (granted not very good) and I get called out for that shizzle.

Seeing all of you call for my death because of "meta" is so fucking ridiculous. If you want to meta-analyse me then do it properly by only comparing the bigger games (LVI, LVII) and the first cycles in there, see any difference? I am playing like I always do in large games.....

LVII was a whole different matter DP, you know that just as well as I do, the situations are not even remotely comparable. The case of our french dude was weak, I already answered it.

I do give a shit about town, I just get lazy since we got 2 cycles of 100%-red lynches now already.
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#1617
I also still want to lynch into VE/Coag/Matt, much more into Matt at the moment, it's just hard to drum up motivation to write up since we will still lynch hapa today
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#1620
look at LVI, made weak cases on bke and hyaach as well...
Do meta properly if you do so, seriously.

Your thoughts about toutestchaos dying after fingering me and kush is wifom and you know it.
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October 09 2012 06:14 GMT
#1837
I'm on my phone right now so do not expect walls of text

I did not like BCs reaction to mementoss' claim. I personally never heard of a watcher who tracks as well, but even if there are games in which they work that way. Why jump immediately on the claimant? I don't think Mementoss claim is that foolproof but still I consider it to be an okayish believable claim.
As in who I want to lynch today, it would be Mattchew, while he may have had RL issues the last cycle his posts and attitude of not really caring about town makes me think he is playing towards his scum meta. BC while not doing as much as he usually does, still contributes at least. Question is more or less why he still is alive if his night life already got used.
Now I'd be curious who mementoss tracked this night.
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October 09 2012 06:25 GMT
#1838
Ebwop: ##vote: Mattchew forgot that
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#1840
@kei:
You made clear why you don't want to vote kush, who would you like to lynch?
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October 09 2012 06:42 GMT
#1842
I did I am just asking if you still want to lynch sloosh
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#2066
@zboson:
iamp is just flying under the radar just as he did last game. Its scummy behaviour but it does.not stand out from the rest of the town right now.

VEs claim is believable, while there is the possibilty of.a frame I think it to be rather slim. I don't like that matt gets yet another freeride but nobody seems to be willing to vote with me (understandable ofc with the claim)

so yeah lets lynch kush!
##unvote
##vote: kush
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#2068
lol whats with the aggressiveness? boson asked a question I replied.and you go into butthurt mode? whatever suits yourself
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#2072
@iamp
1. I guess we can agree to.disagree on tuis one
2. boson asked for my opinion on you, I answered. No need for me to write case at the moment
3. yeah I have been inactive and lazy this game, since we had 2 cycles of 100% scum lynches.

go make a real case if you think me scum
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October 12 2012 06:47 GMT
#2576
lol reading this in class is like fucking amazing. Did not get to lynch you in LVII for the scumslip, will be able to this game I guess. Thanks for claiming scum DP <3

##Vote DarthPunk

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October 12 2012 06:50 GMT
#2579
ahahaha, scumslip is scumslip, die DP I am not going to shit up the thread with you like LVII
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October 12 2012 06:56 GMT
#2582
Yadayadayada
You are.just flipflopping way too much for your act of "paranoid" townie. You might not be doing it now but I can see coming
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October 12 2012 06:59 GMT
#2585
I am obviously talking about the stuff you spewed out in regards yo VEs speculation. You know too much about whats going on. die scum
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October 13 2012 00:41 GMT
#2699
okay just caught up with the thread. Looks like nobody eeems to care.that dp slipped......
Whats wrong with you guys? he blatantly fails to keep his story straight and you give him a freebie? dafuq what?
He may appear townie to you but look at LVII it is quite similiar, while he did much better i think.he should be lynched. Wont be able to post much for the next 10~ hours but guye lynch the stupid slip and not the cop to confirm his alignment.....
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#2703
Look.at tue KP speculation.just after the.night. Cant really specify while on.phone
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#2966
Good morning....
I love getting wagoned to death for lack of activity. Let' s get this out first: I know that I am terribly inactive and stuff. Probably warrants the policy lynch pulled on me now. Sorry to disappoint you guys thiugh, I will flip town

What makes all of you think that DP is town? please remember walls of tedt and activity are not exclusiveley towntraits. DP's flip flopping of opinions on kush, the slip with kp and lack of backbone when trying to push his reads is alarming, damning qnd most surely his scumplay. Sine I am still not at home, I cannot make a fullfledged case with quotes etc. to cement my read on him and concinve you (phone is terrible for typing anyway...) Please do me the favor of reading the discussions beyween him and ve as well aw his interactions with boson. Also give the cases which were made on him a second dread. I am pretty sure that he is scum
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#2979
In my opinion you were kind of similsr to gsl at that time iamp.
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#2980
changed now
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#3001
sudden cuz I wake up and check the threqd again…?
@iamp
limiyrd time caused mr to rmphasize it. cant write full cases
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#3015
damn it.
I was saying that with limited time and methods(aka phone) i had to overemphasize the slip to make you consider.lynching him. since I cannot.post large cases now
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#3026
hey boson mind voting with me on.dp then? If you want to lynch just as bad as i do then drop your vote on him... Seems like for once all of us are around, so we could make a.switch happrn
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#3065
So DP lynch not happening today? le sigh
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#3071
My vote on DP is useless now I guess. Switching to Matt.
Weaker read than DP but obviously better than my green flip.

##unvote
##vote: Mattchew
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#3072
oh lol ninjaed vonsider my unvote as never happened
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#3266
@Kreb: I had you as a pretty sure townread before, but that 1on1 stunt looked incredibly stupid and scummy. Also what makes you so sure on your scumread of VE? (Besides the fact that he is a claimed cop who is still alive this long) Also a vetclaim is like one of the easiest things to fake since you lack nightactions which can backup your claim.
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#3269
pull a sloosh? That term sounds fun, but no not my intention.

I was asking about the 1on1-situation directly, I know you were digging for responses, you got some and put iamp+coag on the town-side based on it. Did it change in any way your stance on VE? Does not look like it judging from your vote still being on him.

If you put iamp and coag as townreads, what do you make of the fact that they are voting for you, together with your highest supposed scumread ve?

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#3412
Just checking in now during class :S
This is fucking confusing, let me take some time to reread...
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#3425
Okay, I will be honest this lynch is really really weird. Why lynch a claimed investigative role when VE did not even get counterclaimed? I looked at the cases on him while they do have merit it looks like it is too easy there is almost no resistance on the lynch safe for risk....

Could naturally be that scum decided to bus him but I am having doubts about the almost unanimosity or the thing right now. Especially having dp on that wagon is something I do not like...

VE you said me and sloosh are scum. That makes the entire wagon on you a townwagon, you think that is realistic? Shouldnt you think that at least one scum is on you as well? I mean you know( or claim to know ) that you are a towncop. Why shoulent you eefend yourself befter? Dont you think that scum would take the opportunity to take you out? This really boggles me
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October 17 2012 03:28 GMT
#3430
No response is also a response I guess....

##Vote VisceraEyes
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#3446
Lololololo dafuq
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#3488
GG!!
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#3546
Boson and Keir I was with you all the time!! Really I dont understand how that baddy did not get lynched xD
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#3564
On October 18 2012 14:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Well. I feel a lot better about winning this game than I did at the end of the last game winning at LYLO because Grush voted himself and blew up BM.


I feel a lot better than in LVII as well
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#3566
I know I played terribly bad but hey I am still happy to have won
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#3573
On October 18 2012 15:06 Blazinghand wrote:
In case it wasn't clear, I was a ToutEstChaos, and I was the Medical Examiner. Thanks to the hosts for a fun game! Thanks especially for picking up the pieces, etc. How ShiaoPi never got lynched is a mystery we may never solve.


I dont get it either /shrug
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#3634
Hmmm I think it seemed rather obvious that I was scum, I did not even really try to make sense/get thread presence, also you really should have latched onto iamps comment on GSL 2 mini.

I think in regards to meta of me, just take a look at BH's case against me, I was scared as fuck as I read it, because it was like 99% correct :D
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