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On October 09 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .
Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.
Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game. Err, what? What kind of watcher is a watcher AND a tracker?
Watchers know if the person watched goes out and does something, and who visits them if anyone does.
They don't follow you to where you visit just that you went somewhere.
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On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote: Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?
Because as a vet you don't claim it as losing your life early in the game. Why? It discourages mafia from shooting you again. If I say "hey my extra night life is gone" they will just shoot me again. Town is unlikely to believe it regardless as the vet role is one mafia love to blend in using.
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EBWOP
It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal.
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On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote: Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?
Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.
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On October 09 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal. Except you did that for them with the claim by thanking a magical medic - you wanted them to specifically think that you were medic protected. Why?
Disagree. If you notice day 2 there was at least one person who believed the possibility of over 2 medics was near nil. Mafia will likely think the same thing. It puts them at a disadvantage because they need to spend time figuring it out. This is pretty standard play when you take a hit.
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On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote: @BC:
Again, since you didn't answer me.
What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.
Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*
I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.
On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote: Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC? Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal. I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.
Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.
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On October 09 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote: @BC:
Again, since you didn't answer me.
What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it. Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs* I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated. On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote: Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC? Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal. I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point. Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely. I thought it was possible mafia medic.
Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched.
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On October 09 2012 06:43 Coagulation wrote: bc are you saying mementoss is scum?
its certainly possible given two known mafia have attempted to get me lynched on the same response. He claims a flipped role, and his watch just happens to include a dead scum, and his second check turns up notta. The timing is odd given that I had called him out yesterday for shitty behaviour and likely being scum. Does this mean he 100% is? No, but the time of his claim is weird as shite, even you should see that.
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On October 09 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 06:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 09 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote: @BC:
Again, since you didn't answer me.
What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it. Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs* I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated. On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote: Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC? Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal. I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point. Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely. I thought it was possible mafia medic. Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched. Because you almost always die on day 1? Gives you a cop-out for everyone that says day 3, BC not dead he must be scum, you can just say you got hit they scared of it not going through again or some shit. You could be vet, but lieing about being medic'd when there was already a couple medics claimed made no sense.
Why? At the time of my claim we had 1 outed medic who was also dead. I would also highly suspect I was given my role because I am so frequently killed day 1 / night 1. Playing the way I did is optimal play in the situation. It was day 2 start, not day 4 or 5 when both town and mafia will have an idea of exactly what roles are floating around.
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On October 09 2012 21:35 Kreb wrote:@BC Small question that has been annoying me since your claim: Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .
How do you know "Veteran" was the miller role?
On October 03 2012 08:00 BlackMamba24 wrote:Mod Update I am removing the role of Veteran from the game. It was this game's equivalent to a non-aware miller. So I'm striking that off the role list. Carry on.
This was how. Going through the "accusations on me" and will respond in like 10-20
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Hi Mafia. I realize you are trying your best to kill me. I really do. What saddens me is you are doing it so horrifically that it requires you outing your team to try and accomplish it.
Lets move on to Sloosh.
Lets look at your first post of the game mr Sloosh
On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote: This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now.
Now lets really look at the bolded part there. He clearly says if you think someone is scum you should be backing it up. This is important as it shows he really cares about analysis and wants to avoid miss lynches. Its also something a townie sloosh would be doing all game.
On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands
On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady.
Note these two posts. A townie sloosh would have discussed his personal views of node originally rather than having to be pushed for them. On top of that given that we know node flipped red, and that shady and austin (who pushed the node case first) were both town. Whats worse is sloosh also discredits the "case" in a sense against node by saying austin just threw out some names and node was latched onto. If there had been no case no one would have taken it, so obviously the case had to be compelling. It is a very subtle defense of node.
Lets move into some of his day 2 posts as the rest of his day 1 are an accusation of mattchew (i will mention near the end of my post) and him asking questions.
On October 04 2012 10:23 slOosh wrote: What do you think of BC?
On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote:Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke Kush Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well. Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. Anyone you want to talk about?
On October 04 2012 12:16 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote: Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. It's a general heuristic that town post more freely than scum, who have inherent guilt and are scared of making scumslips etc. That's how you caught goodkarma last game no? I agree that there isn't much substance in his filter, but it's feels different from the typical trying-to-blend-in-with-town lack of substance. Worth a vig shot, not a lynch kinda thing. Thoughts on Sharrant's more recent posts?
Now, these posts from day 2 are almost all in order. I skipped one as it was quoted in a response of a response he had to me that I had quoted his post.
He starts off by asking for opinions on me. Now, remember the first post of his, and his first post of the game I have up at the top of this post? It comes off as odd as before he shares his own view, he opts to wait until he gets a response. He then tosses up a post that shows why he finds me suspicious yet openly states with the words "I don't understand how he picked the pool" yet then in the next sentence states "I agree with his read on mattchew and can understand the players he picked objectively"
He OPENLY STATES HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND. Then states that he does? and that he agrees with one of those reads? He casts doubt via 1 post while agreeing with it and being contradictory in his own post. This is not something someone who was honestly suspicious of me being scum would do. If he believed I was scum for this he would not be this contradictory. Town Sloosh is very careful with his posting, and this is incredibly poor for a post. Don't worry, he then backed off when I explained how I did so, then asked why I thought kush was scum, and when I give a general reason he instantly defends him. Keep in mind this is sloosh' best read to this point. He is damn near certain mattchew is scum, and that kush is town.
Again he asks for my opinion on a player before giving his own.
On October 05 2012 01:27 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will keep a better eye on kush to see if my view of him is off but hes still suspect to me. Sharrant needs to post more. Looks too much like feigned activity and given that he hasn't even posted once since the day post went up I will keep him on my possible scum list.
What is your view on him?
Yea I'd go further and put him at probable scum given his latest post. His comments on players are more summaries and recaps of thread sentiments, he shies away from making any concrete stances, and does a good job spreading suspicions over a large pool even on his not-scum reads. He hasn't bothered to comment / vote on marv so it shows that he isn't actually reading the thread, but wants to make sure he is seen with contribution, probably in light his name being brought up for discussion by us.
Again he finds out the opinion of the player he asks a question to, then "buddies" to them and gives a 1 post reason on why the guy is likely red.
Now, past this he has no useful interaction that discuss reads for the rest of day 2. Now, Into day 3 he doesnt do anything with reads at all UNTIL CALLED OUT.
On October 06 2012 07:11 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 07:00 Promethelax wrote: hey SloOsh what are your reads on anyone? You seem to think Kush is town and that is all i can find in your filter. I also see a call out of my previous incarnation, still think I'm scum? If not who is? My initial Mattchew case still stands - he hasn't properly addressed it and is compounded by his continuous inactivity / contribution-less posting. Furthermore the only times he pops into the thread is when his name is mentioned. Along those lines I'm kind of wary of BC. I engaged in his 3 of 1 must be scum idea to get better reads off the people and him, but he dropped off and hasn't really followed up on the thought, which suggests that what I initially thought of the post: Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote:Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke Kush Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well. Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. might be the correct interpretation. But this might just be wariness of a feared scum player, if he posted follow up my suspicions would probably subside. I had a slight townread on kush, as one of those (unintentionally) disruptive town players. The gut feel is still there. You just started posting so I'll have a better idea soon enough.
This is his first massive scumtell. Why? Because he hasn't mentioned his view on mattchew until this point in game 3 for 2 days. More importantly, mattchew is the only player in the game he was able to give a single solid analysis post on for the entire game aside from "this post looks bad might be scum" after fishing what someone believes that player might be.
He then defends kush, and pulls out the same post he "feared me for" yet he agreed with and understood how I reached my conclusions and with one of my reads! But he doesn't build a case on it, he adds doubt by saying "feared scum player". He doesn't have a case, he is seeding doubt. This is a key bit.
On October 09 2012 12:57 slOosh wrote: Guh Mondays, finally over.
To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play.
Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding.
His final case that is him justifying his vote on me. Note the lack of case. He wants to lynch me because we as a town "dont know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game." He doesn't make a case as to why I am third party, he makes a case that the third party role could end the game. He then states mementoss' claim (which I already responded to) is justification along with how I reacted. Given that mementoss was on my scum read list, given that scum have been trying to get me shanked all game, it is pretty obvious I would be wary of said player.
However this is all he has. He hasn't made a single case since day 1 and just seeds doubt. He doesn't state through example posts why he believes he is right, or even attempt to solidly push me, he instead opts to do a 1 post with 0 analysis and seed doubt. A townie sloosh builds cases.
The only case sloosh has made this entire game is
On October 03 2012 00:42 slOosh wrote:@austin I had less than two hours to reread everything and determine where my vote should go. I wasn't going to waste it talking about people who probably won't get lynched.
It's evident that this town suffered a day 1 of inactivity and scum were probably happy to go along with that. The one that stuck out most to me was Mattchew: The clearest thing in his filter is that he is happy to take no stances at all, and is not interested in getting a solid lynch. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 15:02 Mattchew wrote: i re-read shady's "trolling" and it seems extremely forced and thought out. this is either proof to his point of him trying to get warned or him being too nervous to troll casually because he is scum.
Which amounts to "Shady could be town because of this, and scum because of this". The next time he posts follow up is Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote:Shady said before the game, before he knew his alignment, that he was going to troll. I have yet to see a shady case about his posting after his "trollfest" (if there is I missed it). If we lynch someone for doing something so non-alignment telling we are bad and we should feel bad. If you are voting Shady I want your reasons for the vote beyond "he was trolling and thats anti-town herp derp" STOP VOTING SHADY SANDS WITH SHIT REASONING
I was thinking that we should lynch Coag because he hasn't put in any effort after getting mad at Caller about his game. He got mad at Caller for not allowing him to play in a game and then joins this one and parks a vote on Shady with shitty ass reasoning. The thing holding me back on this is that this might actually be how Coag plays, and I dont think I have played with him in a real game that I remember. Austinmc hasn't contributed jack shit, which is very different from his usual productive town self Kingjames was extremely awkwardly wishy-washy with his attempt to call out keirathi. He talks about focusing on scum hunting but has spent almost all his time trying to defend and focusing on himself. His first post also reeks of scum trying to look tryhard townie. I want to a lot more from BC, his lack of contributions make me very nervous about him. ##vote kingjames01 This post shows how detached he is from thread. The context surrounding it is discussion centered around kushm4sta and kingjames01. There is no avalanche of dumb sheep votes on Shady, people are looking into other lynch candidates. There is no purpose other than opposing the Shady lynch without actually calling him town. The rest of his post he calls Coag scummy and then takes it back, calls austinmcc scummy without actually saying it, parroting other people about kingjames and calling out BC. Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 08:21 Mattchew wrote: BC mind telling me why you think i am scum?
also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote.
I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments.
He says he is caught up on the thread, but doesn't understand the arguments. However, he makes absolutely no effort to understand. He doesn't ask questions, he doesn't apply pressure, nothing. He doesn't care about the lynch. The biggest thing is that he doesn't actually unvote but leaves his vote on kingjames the whole timeShow nested quote +On October 02 2012 13:14 BlackMamba24 wrote: Deadline Reached, Votes for Day 1 Done. Final Vote Count:
kingjames01 (2): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson
It is clear cut that Mattchew is making sure that he isn't labeled a lurker with "contributions" when in reality he doesn't care about the lynch at all. He is Scum.
This has not changed in anything he has said for his strongest scumread. He isn't pushing his scum read. Instead he is pushing a player he has not analyzed and has been seeding doubt on for days for being third party. You know who currently is more scared of me being third party? Scum.
Sloosh has done absolutely nothing to help this town, and has sat back in the sidelines. He has stated as a reason for not contributing solid reads is that he is a reactive player, yet he was able to get enough information to build a case day 1 on mattchew (one he never pushed forward to have him lynched btw but was fine defending scum node and killing shady) and has not even touched on him since aside to say "i still think hes scum".
Vote sloosh
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I am going to work, be back in like 5-7 hours. Will continue my thoughts then, and respond to anything that comes up by now and then.
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On October 11 2012 00:00 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:47 Mattchew wrote:On October 10 2012 22:28 Kreb wrote:On October 10 2012 21:59 Mattchew wrote: honestly? look at the last 3 days (i honestly thought i voted hapa) but theres been no real necessary discussion. lynch marv, hapa, kush. We aren't lynching off analysis or discussion, we are lynching off of roles and setup ish. Are you trying to say you dont see the benefits of keeping the discussion active? i see the benefits, i don't think you see how unrealistic and hard it is to get real discussion going when the biggest threat is the mighty feared FOS he is quite right. how about you don't lynch me and lynch someone else...that is a good option imo. BTW why did VE reveal so early? he didn't even fight for the lynch to keep his roll a secret. Revealing this early, ad mattchew pointed out, stiffles discussion.
Stiffles discussion? He's done nothing but promote discussion since his claim. He not only continued to push you and make sure you die, but hes also been jumping on z-boson. We have players calling out mattchew, we have people still commenting on me and sloosh. I would actually say his reveal has prompted MORE discussion given that till his claim near the only talk in thread was on me and sloosh.
Revealing as he did actually ensured the day wasn't wasted and he coming out in the last 12 hours and busting out a dt claim no one would believe as it would come off as him desperately trying to get you lynched and bsing reasons. By claiming when he did showed everyone exactly why he was gunning for you so hard when the concensus was you were retarded and not scum.
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On October 10 2012 22:47 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:28 Kreb wrote:On October 10 2012 21:59 Mattchew wrote: honestly? look at the last 3 days (i honestly thought i voted hapa) but theres been no real necessary discussion. lynch marv, hapa, kush. We aren't lynching off analysis or discussion, we are lynching off of roles and setup ish. Are you trying to say you dont see the benefits of keeping the discussion active? i see the benefits, i don't think you see how unrealistic and hard it is to get real discussion going when the biggest threat is the mighty feared FOS
You haven't done fuck all in 4 game days. You have been called out EACH DAY for said behavior and this is one of your reasonings for not doing shit? You are better then this.
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On October 10 2012 16:15 VisceraEyes wrote: The point is that you jumped off of Node resulting in the lynch of your townread. He might have been lynched anyway based on the voting rules, but a vote for Node put Shady one step closer to safety rather than damning him inexorably to the noose. *shrug*
kushm4sta, ZBoson
I know I said the focus on the BC thing was a bad idea, but I've been thinking about it and the whole Mementoss/BC thing is...strange. On the one hand I can't understand Mementoss' assumption that BC is third party - I mean, we don't know if medic saves are informed (to my knowledge) so why would Mementoss assume BC was lying about thinking he was medic saved. On the other hand, I can't understand BC's assumption that Mementoss is scum based on a role not functioning the way he's used to in a closed setup game where the roles are obviously fucked with.
That's everyone's homework assignment for tomorrow (or today if your brain can take it). Go back over Mementoss and BC's filters. See if their play matches up with the claims. Is passive-ass BC really a veteran? Is Mementoss convenient claim of a flipped role just a bit TOO convenient? The truth is in this thread.
My assumption wasn't that he was scum before the role worked differently then I thought it did. It was that I had a huge scum read on mementoss before he claimed. He then claimed a role that had already flipped in thread, with information mafia could easily fake while only giving out that I was not medic protected. He then follows up his second check with getting nothing, and is roleblocked on the third.
I think the timing of his claim, and combined with how he claimed and the assumptions he made were really weird. It didn't seem normal to my eye thus I suspected him more given he was already one of my scum reads.
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On October 11 2012 00:33 kushm4sta wrote: VE has stifled other people's discussion i meant. but yeah he has been pretty good recently.
Disagree. He wanted people to stop discussing third party shite. The thread has been more active today in general discussion then it has in awhile, and he is one of the core reasons for it.
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On October 11 2012 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of ZBos BC?
He is looking extremely bad at this moment in time. However I might be to much in tunnel vision but I see sloosh as red, and i see mattchew as red. Mementoss is likely as fuck there as well -_-
I can't see this many people still being scum so trying to sort out which are bad town and which are scum might be annoying.
I currently believe lynching him or mattchew tommorrow should be what we do as based on thread today and overall they seem most likely to net us scum. (mattchew only if he fails to provide the analysis he just promised).
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On October 11 2012 01:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 01:20 kushm4sta wrote: @ VE and BC it's an honest question... how can scum make up a claim like that about BC and have it be corroborated by BCs story... it doesn't make sense to me that he isn't town.
If he's scum then he knows (presumably) that he shot BC. He can also postulate that, given a dead watcher, no other watcher is going to counterclaim him. He also knows the name of the watcher role as it has flipped. Anyone can say anything if they surround it with enough truth.
Also given that no medic had come forward saying they had defended me day 1, it was likely that I survived the nk due to my own role, and not based on a medic.
His reasoning for "hiding" it was also poor. He wanted to get as many free watches off as possible yet also wanted me lynched for day 4. He didn't opt to come out and off me at the beginning of the day making sure he got a third check, he outed himself in a way that he would either die or be rb'd. He then sheeped me at the start of the day on who I wanted to vote for when he believed I was third party and not town -_-
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On October 11 2012 01:36 iamperfection wrote: but if we believe that mementoss is lying that would suggest that the scum role blocked one of their own correct. No one else made a claim of rb right?
I would say the scum team would invest a lot for this to be true. Memen making a fake claim and scum team wasting a role block.
eh? You just don't use a rb, then have a scum member claim being hit by it. It adds an air of "confirmation" to a fakeclaim. As for alot to invest? Its day 4 and they just have had 3 red checks on them in a row. They would need something like this to try and do a comeback.
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