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Kreb
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On October 11 2012 23:04 Mementoss wrote: What would the point of having private investigator and detective if private investigator is just a super detective. Stop assuming anything about the Detective really. Look at the Veteran. BM mixes up roles, most likely with the purpose to avoid these kind of assimptions. The Detective could be anything. | ||
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Kreb
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On October 11 2012 23:02 iamperfection wrote: well he did say that his role is a combination of a role and regular cop right? Ok true. Scratch that then. | ||
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Or wait a second again. If VEs role is a cop+rolecop, that means there must be a alignment+role Framer for Kush to have been Framed. Thats seems quite unlikely. Had Kush flipper Coroner it would have all made sense, but he flipped Vanilla Townie. It seems really unlikely theres a alignment+role Framer.... | ||
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And Im really starting to dislike how this thread gets like 2/3 of its posts while I sleep.  | ||
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On October 12 2012 15:02 slOosh wrote: The heck? So VE's check on MMT clears MMT unless you take both as scum (unless scum can frame themselves?). That gives weight to 3rd party BC but we basically established that already. Can't really make sense of this until we get MMT post. Z-BosoN looks much better when he handled the pressure last night. Guy looks town. So as we wait for MMT, ##Vote: Mattchew It clears MMToss somewhat, because the only way he would be scum is if VE and MMToss is scum together (which might till be a possibility). VE might also be solo scum in that duo, just "throwing away" his night read on someone he already knew what role he was. The possibility of scum-MMT+town-VE is however extremely unlikely. | ||
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Why are you voting Mattchew without any motivation? I looked through your filter and you've been going after BC and ZB recently, but nothing I could find on Mattchew. | ||
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On October 12 2012 18:30 DarthPunk wrote: To be fair. That is not all that there is on me. You should read the cases by keirathi and Z-Boson and the stuff around when I thought Viscera Eyes had scum slipped. It is all reasonable fair. But I feel it revolves around changing my mind in reaction to new information and bad play etc. Obviously I don't feel there is anything that makes me scummy. But it would be unfair to say it is based on that 'slip'. It seemed to be enough for Shiao. He just seemed to read it and go "LOL SCUMSLIP DP IS SCUM". If anything, Shiao came out worse in my eyes because of that. I'll decide later when I have more time to read whether you're someone I'll consider voting for. | ||
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Kreb
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So, its a fair assumption there were 3 mafia left. With 14ppl alive pre-lynch, that makes it 10 town. 10-3. Lets say Kush was mafia. So they sac two (yea yea, I dont know that either) KPs presumably to gain a mislynch on VE. Even if we are to lynch VE next and he flips his Blue claim, that still means mafia is 9-2. However, they could just have let Kush flip red and kill two guys, making it 8-2 instead. And then they'd also have a chance to choose two targets of their own choice rather than just hoping for a VE mislynch. With 2 paramedics down and no other medic-claims or medic-save-claims, they should be fairly confident to get their 2 kills through. I dont buy it. If mafia sacced KP, they did it for something more powerful. Im thinking this might also be related to 3rd party somehow? Maybe 3rd party has some mad power which denies night kills. | ||
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But no, fuck that. Every time I or someone else tries to explain it in any other way it just turn into some really wierd assumptions that theres so far hidden roles doing this and that. No, mafia trading KP to flip Kush as town isnt likely No, a framer which both frames role and alignment isnt likely. The most probable explanation is right there in front of us, and that is that VE is scum. And thats even disregarding his previous scummyness he has shown a large part of this game. As for his claim, him being ballsy mafia is much more probable than the other explanations. I was planning on waiting and see what comes up on the Matt/DP/ZB/whoever else people might wanna vote for - front, but fuck that. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:27 Mementoss wrote: The real mystery is. Why is no one dead? Oh shit. Scum believed BC claim of lucky citizen and targetted him again possible? That could be it. Or just targetted 3rd party in general, whoever it is. But we're still missing 1KP then. And I dont buy mafia not having 2. | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:32 risk.nuke wrote: That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us. And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum. Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory. | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:50 risk.nuke wrote: First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum? So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment. @Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were. He gained a Kush mislynch? If he can gain another mislynch he'll be doing awesome. Though if talking about gain, also consider the fact that he might be 3rd party, at which point we dont know what he gains on doing stuff. | ||
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On October 12 2012 21:45 risk.nuke wrote: Kush mislynch. Yeah trade nightkills for a lynch on a suspicious useless townie. It's a game winner. The night kills have nothing to do with what I said. You're mixing things up. I said most likely explanation is simply VE lied about the Kush claim. No funny framer at work. No sacced KPs to change flip. The NKs are not a part of my "explanation". As for the NKs Im open to about anything. 3rd party being involved (either by scum hitting him or by him somehow preventing them from occuring) seems likely though. Or maybe some other saccing NK mechanic at work. Or, well, lots of other possibilities too which probably isnt worth speculating about. | ||
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On October 12 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote: In the scenario Vicera lied he is scum in which case he told the scum not to kill anyone so he can sell his claim. I don't see what I am mixing up? Whaaaaat? Why on earth would they do that? You're bringing up completely new explanations. Are you really suggesting mafia planned to just simply not kill anyone to have VE make a claim he could get away with? That makes no sense at all, theres tens of different ways they could just keep hiding while actually performing night kills. He should just not have claimed a mafia read on Kush then and they'd be all fine. Your idea is like the deepest plan ever..... it makes no sense. And funnily enough, even if it was true we should still lynch VE. | ||
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On October 13 2012 03:21 slOosh wrote: Initially thought Kreb was just someone who likes to setup spec, but there's mafia agenda in his play. Namely working things for a VE lynch. Regardless of what you may think of VE's alignment the way he goes about it is scummy. Here gives his opinion of Z-BosoN when he starts getting pressured (primarily by VE), and starts by saying his defense is terrible but by the end decides that he doesn't look that bad. After the kush flip he agrees with Z-BosoN against VE: He flips from "suspecting" ZB to agreeing with him in lynching VE, the guy whom ZB's defense was against. Along with a string of similar quotes, he pushes forth the idea that there are inordinate blues - but he does it in a way that casts doubt on the living blue claims VE and MMT. Notice how VE isn't suspicious because of his behavior now, but because of his claim (which seems "somewhat valid"). Stuff like this is indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it. 'if VE is rolecop+cop then there must be a alignment + role framer, but an alignment + role framer is really unlikely to exist, so ... (VE is a liar but I'm not gonna say it up front)' - kinda thing. It's only much later he finally commits to a vote even though it's the thing he has been talking about the whole time, and when grilled by risk, his reasoning is based on the premise that VE is scum and justifying / doing setup spec around this, opposed to drawing conclusions from the events. I'd be down with a Kreb lynch. First bolded part: Im not sure why you say Im suspecting ZB. I never said that, dotn put words in my mouth please. And quite frankly, even if I said towards the end "ZB look really scummy because of this and I have strong suspicions of him", what makes it so that I cant agree on points he make anyway? Second bolded part: LOL? Is your argument that Im trying to shift suspicions VEs way without committing myself? If anything, I've been pretty damn clear of my suspicions of VE whole game. If you want to hold that against me, fine (I've been questioning my own tunneling a fair bit tbh, so if you do the same thats natural). But you accuse me of doing the opposite? "indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it"? The fuck? Oh, and you're pretty damn right Im trying to cast doubts on VE. Thats because I have pretty big doubts of him and I want him lynched. If that wasnt clear Im not sure how I could make it clear. And how exactly has are my conclusions not based on events? Meanwhile, this is the second time you strangely try to start suspicions of people. First time on BC where you backed off very soon. This time your whole post seem to have been provoked by VE asking a broad question of what people think of me. Is that really the best you can do, cant you initiate any reads at all rather than jumping on other possibilities opening up? Oh, and you still havent said a word about why you voted Matt. Im waiting. | ||
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I dont see anything scummy with DP or ZB. ZB is explaining his reasoning well and is starting to look quite towning. DP is more towards null, but overall hes doing an ok job contributing and the so called scum slip is nothing Im gonna vote against him for. The three players I'm more interesting in (disregarding VE) are Sloosh, Shiao and Matt. All of those three as in somewhat of the same boat: People seem to expect them to be much more contributory than they are. But none of the are really active so its hard to get a strong scum read on any of them. I'd say Shiao and Sloosh looks somewhat worse than Matt through their actions though. Slooshes jump on both BC and me doesnt seem very genuine. And Shiao has had fairly lackluster scumhunting and reasoning behind his actions. Matt seems to be more purposedly not giving a fuck and not contributing, though that might not necessarily mean anything either way. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:41 ShiaoPi wrote: okay just caught up with the thread. Looks like nobody eeems to care.that dp slipped...... Whats wrong with you guys? he blatantly fails to keep his story straight and you give him a freebie? dafuq what? He may appear townie to you but look at LVII it is quite similiar, while he did much better i think.he should be lynched. Wont be able to post much for the next 10~ hours but guye lynch the stupid slip and not the cop to confirm his alignment..... Wait. You caught up with the thread. And from all you read from VE/ZB/BC and others, you came to the conclusion that DPs possible-scum-slip was the biggest deal and the we should drop the current discussion and get down to work on this gem? Get real. Come on give us some comments on whats really happening. What about me? What of VE? Is BC right or full of shit? Enlighten us. | ||
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