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Small question that has been annoying me since your claim: On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen . How do you know "Veteran" was the miller role? | ||
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I thought it was a pretty strange thing to claim to know through gameplay. :p | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:59 slOosh wrote: My third party read is much much stronger than my scum reads. On October 10 2012 00:00 slOosh wrote: Or rather, one of my stronger scum reads became a third party read. Neither of these reply to the question. Why do you want to lynch 3rd party rather than scum? Actually, that could be a question for everyone. Even if we knew BC was 100% 3rd party, do we really wanna lynch him? Does mafia or town benefit from keeping 3rd party alive? | ||
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With no rivalling claims to VE there seems to be little reason to not join the kush wagon. It seems I was quite wrong about VE too, but at least the fact that Kush is scum explains some things I had interpreted (hey, let me have my moment of not feeling like a fool please!). As for the other recent exchanges. I think sloosh comes out in a bad light. His reasoning behind him pushing BC didnt seem very well thought out and it seems he has backed off of it. But theres clear scum motives to try and get BC lynched should he be a veteran. MMToss.... hmmmm. Theres convenience in claiming an already flipped role and following it up with claiming roleblock, but given his short filter its pretty hard to find something else that really strikes out as scummy. Probably gonna read through Z-Boson next, but first thought is Im getting a lot less scummy vibes from either side of the VE/Boson exchange than from sloosh. ##Unvote ##Vote Kushm4sta | ||
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On October 10 2012 16:36 Z-BosoN wrote: Fuck man, it's 4 am here... I'm trying to dismiss you so I can sleep Let me try harder, then, since it seems like you actually care about what I have to say I did not want Node to die to this wagon. I thought it was unjustified. I decided this after I put my vote on Node and ever since I've been playing a lot differently. I also did not want to kill shady. Therefore, I changed to someone else. What I said later was: If I were scum (ok assume I'm scum) and I my unvoting was actually an attempt to save Node, why the HELL would I have done that 40-50 min prior to the lynch? I feel that this wouldn't accomplish shit, and would probably throw my ass on the line (as is what's happening). I'm arguing that it would be completely ridiculous for me, as scum, to want to save Node in such a manner. Why? Because I'd be sticking my neck out and for what? No guarantees? I'd most likely wait until actual lynch time to see if my switching of votes would make a difference. I'm add something new here. YOU are probably thinking that I unvoted because I realized that Node was actually maybe gonna get lynched for real. My post in the thread came 9 minutes after the 7/7 post on the vote thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260¤tpage=29#573 So for this theory to be true, I've had to instantly refresh the voting thread, quickly as hell change my mind, write a post and 9 minutes later, BAM, post that I had changed my mind. That supports the fact that I got unlucky right? Because 9 minutes to make the post I made and to make a decision of this caliber, AND assuming I read the vote tally right after it came off is a bit too much, no? Hopefully that makes my claim more believable That is actually an incredibly weak defense when I read through it again though lol (might have ro re-evaluate my 10min old claim of VE/Boson exhange being less scummy.....). The first bolded part is null. I hate when people say "if I was scum doing this would make no sense" beceause that is exactly the reason why it might make sense for scum. The ideas doing stuff "too scummy to be scum" or "too stupid to be planned" are very real, and yes, that is something mafia players can and have used. So that means nothing. The 2nd bolded part..... Im honestly surprised you're bringing up that as a defense at all. Its like there would be some magic threshold at the vote score 7-7 where up until then no mafia would care about it but when passed they wouldnt. Yea, if it was like that, your 9min theory makes sense. OR you actually thought about switching already at 4-7 or 5-7, thought about it more at 6-7 and decided that at 7-7 it was getting out of hand and decided to switch. On your plus side though is the fact that Marv pushed the case, which we still dont really know why, but we have to assume that mafia were prepared to bus Node (maybe because he was inactive, shown by his need for a replacement). So your actions stand against those of marv, which is good for you. | ||
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On October 10 2012 17:15 kushm4sta wrote: im not scum you noobs and you should know that. first person to unvote me gets an ice cream sandwich. ##Unvote Kushm4sta ##Vote Kushm4sta Gimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimme. | ||
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On October 10 2012 21:59 Mattchew wrote: honestly? look at the last 3 days (i honestly thought i voted hapa) but theres been no real necessary discussion. lynch marv, hapa, kush. We aren't lynching off analysis or discussion, we are lynching off of roles and setup ish. Are you trying to say you dont see the benefits of keeping the discussion active? | ||
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On October 11 2012 18:36 Z-BosoN wrote: Wait, what??? I call bullshit right there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260¤tpage=25#499 You typed in ##vote node one minute after marv gave the first vote, being the second one to vote node. You wanted to lynch him waaay before there was any sort of information on the wagon. That's definitely not why you wanted to lynch node. Thats actually a very good point. Its really about time we lynch him. | ||
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On October 11 2012 19:14 marvellosity wrote: *ahem* Ou est les shitty pants? Keep doing the popcorn smiley if you want. Otherwise: On September 25 2012 03:01 BlackMamba24 wrote: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. | ||
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Cant really put my finger on what it could be though. All claims seem somewhat valid, but that doesnt feel right either. | ||
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Players know the name of every role in the game but information on powers is withheld. Specific numbers of town/mafia/third-party are unknown. Quite clear, no? | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:38 Mementoss wrote: sorry if this had been mentioned but does anyone know how KJ died night 1? Was it a claimed shot or mafia shot. While there of course are other possibilities, seems almost 100% chance it was a mafia shot. | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:53 Mementoss wrote: also if all roles are in this game, like you imply and no one counter claims VE there is no reason to lynch him am I right? Im trying to explore possibilities why it would still be possible. Theres of course always possibilities, but they seem quite far-fetched atm, all depends on the design of all the roles. Then, of course, I might also be wrong and all roles arent in the game. I actually hadnt considered that before, just as you seemingly hadnt considered they could all be in guaranteed. :p | ||
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On October 11 2012 22:33 Mementoss wrote: And by multiple scenarios you mean 3: VE is lieing -> Lynch VE VE is insane -> Lynch Coag Kush framed -> Lynch???? So by this logic you think there is a framer, but I know for a fact there is a roleblocker. There is no role that is unclaimed or unflipped that looks like a framer to mean, (or a role blocked) But I know one of them that looks mafia like, is probably a roleblocked. How is coag town regardless of VE's alignment, VE lies to give a town check on coag, and VE flipps scum, you still think coag is auto town? VE checks someone he knows is town and gets back a mafia check, you still think coag is town? I dont like limiting myself to three alternatives like that. I could make 10 more alternatives being "If this unclaimed/unreleaved role X works in this way, then this is true". That is when Im entering into far-fetched land as I said, but I dont like limiting myself either. But the fact that imo VE has been scummy like hell for a long time makes me start to question how far-fetched they really are. It is a bit weird that we dont have a rivalling PI claim should VE be scum, but a lot of other things are weird too. Hmm. Night kills are gonna be interesting at least though. | ||
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On October 11 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote: ive been thinking on this. I dont think we can assume that private investigator is a town role. I think a mafia role cop is a possibility. Dudedudedudedudedudedude. This totally had me thinking. Look at this: + Show Spoiler + 1. iamperfection 2. 3. BloodyC0bbler 4. 5. 6. ShiaoPi 7. 8. Mattchew 9. risk.nuke 10. Coagulation 11. Z-BosoN 12. 13. Keirathi 14. 15. VisceraEyes 16. 17. slOosh 18. 19. 20. Kreb 21. Mementoss 22. 23. 24. 25. Set-up: And this: + Show Spoiler + Lucky Citizen Vigilante Concerned Citizen Enforcer Hitman Paramedic Private Investigator Medical Examiner Coroner Detective Godfather Paranoid Arsonist Scoreboard And look at VEs claim: On October 10 2012 06:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Well let me add...illusory weight to the Kush wagon. I'm a Private Investigator and last night I received Mafia Coroner when I checked kushm4sta. N1 I was roleblocked. N2 I checked Coag and he came back as town "Concerned Citizen". Now e'erybody climb onboard the VE Failtrain of Glory(holes). Is it possible VE added the prefix Mafia to an existing role (could be both town or mafia)? Theres no Mafia prefix on any role BM ever mentioned. If so, thats a pretty telling slip. | ||
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