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On October 10 2012 12:02 Z-BosoN wrote: Regarding the VE claim Right now, I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people, but I find it even harder to believe that someone would bother framing him. Someone also said there were no longer any miller roles (correct me if I'm wrong), so this makes it a ton more likely that kush is scum. The only other possibility is that this is a baller play from VE bussing his scum friend, but that's just... dumb. Going to check some other filters in a sec. For now, ##Vote kush4masta A terrible way of trying to blend in but at the same time trying to make VE look bad by questioning his check. Why bring up possibilities that are "just dumb" at all? It's pointless fluff trying to blend in. The 3rd party business is misinterpretation. Where did I ever say I wanted to lynch 3rd party over scum? I never did and its a bogus made up reason to lynch me. ##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler ##Vote: kush4masta | ||
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On October 10 2012 13:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Because they exist. I've explained that in the same post you have quoted. Here, let me quote it for you: There you go see? I think it's odd --> I raise the possibility of it existing. I then make the remark that it's just more likely that he's straight up telling the truth. I've also seen VE do crazy shit as scum, so I'm just leaving that there so people don't ignore every single case against him and go "omg omg VE is town!". I still have my suspicions, and I want to make that clear. I don't see what you gloating about Where did you ever say you wanted to lynch 3rd party over scum? Really? That's when you said "Vote BC". You'd rather him die than actually try to find another scum. Are you so doubtful on your own ability to scumhunt? Perhaps that was force of habit - all my giant cases tend to end with a call to lynch. Are you seriously trying to suggest that I was shutting down all other discussion? | ||
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On October 10 2012 13:42 VisceraEyes wrote: He claimed vanilla town, and then later claimed "concerned citizen" after I, like a dumbass, revealed the name of Coag's role. It's ok it was already in the OP (since D1 flip). | ||
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Z-BosoN looks much better when he handled the pressure last night. Guy looks town. So as we wait for MMT, ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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MMT how do you figure for the other KP? Or do you think there is only 1 anti-town KP? | ||
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On October 12 2012 23:47 Mementoss wrote: ya what I said is almost definitely wrong lol, I thought after mafia enforcer was killed there was only 1 anti town kp, guess not. Hapa flipped enforcer like 2 cycles ago ... Also, do you still prefer ShiaoPi over Mattchew? What do you make of him jumping on DP's "scumslip"? | ||
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On October 13 2012 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Now. What does everyone think of Kreb? The guy has been on my case for days...it occurs to me that scum wouldn't be so willing to "come at me bro" when so many people believe (on some level) my claim. Too risky. Anyone else wanna weigh in on this guy? Initially thought Kreb was just someone who likes to setup spec, but there's mafia agenda in his play. Namely working things for a VE lynch. Regardless of what you may think of VE's alignment the way he goes about it is scummy. Here gives his opinion of Z-BosoN when he starts getting pressured (primarily by VE), and starts by saying his defense is terrible but by the end decides that he doesn't look that bad. After the kush flip he agrees with Z-BosoN against VE: On October 11 2012 19:09 Kreb wrote: Thats actually a very good point. Its really about time we lynch him. He flips from "suspecting" ZB to agreeing with him in lynching VE, the guy whom ZB's defense was against. On October 11 2012 21:25 Kreb wrote: Theres strange things going on with these claims. There a seemingly massive amount of Blues in the game (does mafia have something else to balance the possible town advantage of plenty of blues then? if so, what?) while still being 4 unclaimed roles (hitman, coroner, detective, arsonist). Thats one 3rd party, but could be another blue among the rest. Cant really put my finger on what it could be though. All claims seem somewhat valid, but that doesnt feel right either. Along with a string of similar quotes, he pushes forth the idea that there are inordinate blues - but he does it in a way that casts doubt on the living blue claims VE and MMT. Notice how VE isn't suspicious because of his behavior now, but because of his claim (which seems "somewhat valid"). On October 11 2012 23:13 Kreb wrote: Or wait a second again. If VEs role is a cop+rolecop, that means there must be a alignment+role Framer for Kush to have been Framed. Thats seems quite unlikely. Had Kush flipper Coroner it would have all made sense, but he flipped Vanilla Townie. It seems really unlikely theres a alignment+role Framer.... Stuff like this is indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it. 'if VE is rolecop+cop then there must be a alignment + role framer, but an alignment + role framer is really unlikely to exist, so ... (VE is a liar but I'm not gonna say it up front)' - kinda thing. It's only much later he finally commits to a vote even though it's the thing he has been talking about the whole time, and when grilled by risk, his reasoning is based on the premise that VE is scum and justifying / doing setup spec around this, opposed to drawing conclusions from the events. I'd be down with a Kreb lynch. | ||
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On October 13 2012 03:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Can someone please be explain to me this KP mechanic? You sacrifice 1-2 KP so that someone's flip changes, is that right? Why is that so costly? The only advantage I can think of is that town thinks the scumteam is bigger then it actually is... Are there any other KP saving mechanics you guys are aware of? Kush's meta seemed like he was indeed town, which made me think that, but that could have been fabricated if he was scum with the knowledge that he would pop town. It's setup speculation, and no one really knows because affecting flips like this is really rare. Like the controversial Death Millers from LIII, but reverse. The idea is that scum "spend their KP" for other effects, in this case to make kush flip town. Wanna flesh out the reads you have? | ||
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On October 13 2012 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, when you dumb it down and generalize it like that... You know what I mean though? Am I wrong in thinking that? Almost no one is hip to lynch me today, WITH a wrong flip and "bad" check last night. The check last night was wholly self-serving, no one in town should think it's a GOOD check...but no one seems interested in lynching me today. So why would scum attack me? It just seems like unnecessary attention - there are better ways to "blend in" ya know? I know what you mean - with 2 (or 3 if you think kush scum) lynched in a row, naturally you would think scum try to lay low and just avoid modkill threshold, and trying to start something with you would be counter intuitive. That said 2 KP just went missing last night instead of the straight forward roleblock/shoot-the-blues plan, so I don't consider weird / extreme play that improbable. | ||
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On October 13 2012 08:13 Kreb wrote: First bolded part: Im not sure why you say Im suspecting ZB. I never said that, dotn put words in my mouth please. And quite frankly, even if I said towards the end "ZB look really scummy because of this and I have strong suspicions of him", what makes it so that I cant agree on points he make anyway? Second bolded part: LOL? Is your argument that Im trying to shift suspicions VEs way without committing myself? If anything, I've been pretty damn clear of my suspicions of VE whole game. If you want to hold that against me, fine (I've been questioning my own tunneling a fair bit tbh, so if you do the same thats natural). But you accuse me of doing the opposite? "indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it"? The fuck? Oh, and you're pretty damn right Im trying to cast doubts on VE. Thats because I have pretty big doubts of him and I want him lynched. If that wasnt clear Im not sure how I could make it clear. And how exactly has are my conclusions not based on events? Meanwhile, this is the second time you strangely try to start suspicions of people. First time on BC where you backed off very soon. This time your whole post seem to have been provoked by VE asking a broad question of what people think of me. Is that really the best you can do, cant you initiate any reads at all rather than jumping on other possibilities opening up? Oh, and you still havent said a word about why you voted Matt. Im waiting. First part: There is no point of calling someone's defense incredibly weak if you think they are town - it only serves to cast doubt on said player's alignment. If you truly suspect someone as scum you would put less trust in what they say because of scum agenda influencing their posts. On October 10 2012 17:25 Kreb wrote: That is actually an incredibly weak defense when I read through it again though lol (might have ro re-evaluate my 10min old claim of VE/Boson exhange being less scummy.....). Second part: I don't know which one but it's from Ace's mafia strategy guide. Scum plant ideas into town so they present it as their own, making it difficult to trace back the origin. Doesn't matter if you claim your stance on him was clear from the start. If you really thought him scum through and through you don't concede that the claims seem valid. Scum can't make valid claims. On October 11 2012 21:25 Kreb wrote: Theres strange things going on with these claims. There a seemingly massive amount of Blues in the game (does mafia have something else to balance the possible town advantage of plenty of blues then? if so, what?) while still being 4 unclaimed roles (hitman, coroner, detective, arsonist). Thats one 3rd party, but could be another blue among the rest. Cant really put my finger on what it could be though. All claims seem somewhat valid, but that doesnt feel right either. I backed off BC when I cooled off and realized that we should be hunting scum specifically. How was that strangely started suspicions? It was based off a blue claim. As for voting Matt, he hadn't done anything at time of vote (and still hasn't delivered what he promised on iamperf or whoever). Pressure vote / policy vote / lurker scum vote, call it what you want. People respond to votes. ##vote Kreb As for peeps who still can't see BC as 3rd party should read more carefully. On October 13 2012 09:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: In any exchange I would always be offed first given the massive suspicion on me and it would confirm your theory while removing what everyone believes an anti town influence from the game. Yet instead you opted to check SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY CLAIMED. Who no one has doubted the claim of. Unlike any other player in the game, it has been proven I cannot be scum, thus if you are mafia and believe I am third party you would have to guess at my role. If you are town you would receive my role. On October 13 2012 09:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: There are 13 players alive by my count. Removing 4 of those from a pool of suspects? you have 9 players that could combine the remaining scum. Not just that based on the amount of shots on average per night, it looks like top kp is 2 atm by scum. IE of 3 remaining players from the situation I outlined, at least 1 would still be alive or two depending on the situation. It also allows everyone to begin analyzing on the only people in the game that matter as they would be the only remaining players that could be scum. Any player who gives a shit as town would at least attempt to prove them self not scum in some manner, while scum would be eventually fucked quite quickly. | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:43 Keirathi wrote: Where did the KP go? It had to go somewhere. If they had an ability they could trade KP for, then it would probably activate today. Although I guess it could be something like Delay too. I don't buy that mafia didn't send in kills or roleblock. Someone is gonna get lynched this cycle. Put your vote somewhere. On September 25 2012 03:01 BlackMamba24 wrote: 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain. | ||
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Guy is also considering voting for the guy his top top scum read is voting for. Scum think weird things. | ||
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