The only 3rd party roles I have encountered are SK/assasin. I find it highly unlikely that BC is either, so unless someone points me out to another role I am going to buy his vet story.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 09 2012 05:01 GMT

#1827

Wow, first time Ive been scum shot. Town's got this.
GG Scum.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 12 2012 04:05 GMT

#2468

WHERES MY SHITTED PANTS?!

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 05:09 GMT

#3518

Thanks to Hiro/BioSC/DrH! Sorry for my early game inactivity. I hope I made it up somewhat later.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 05:32 GMT

#3540

Hmmm..... I should play to this Meta more often. I cant believe they thought I was blue.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 05:44 GMT

#3553

Wow SloOsh, didnt move that one night mementoss watched. Pretty gosu scum desicion making. The NKs were actually amazing early game by scum, compared to blue actions.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 05:48 GMT

#3558

Im sorrry Boson, but I had a hard time getting over you're posting style this game. Day 4 and 5 was pure setup speculation which gets nowhere as town. Despite what you may think about setup speculation, it seems less helpful in thread from a townie perspective.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 05:49 GMT

#3560

Our searching roles didnt do well, our meds did great, I thought that was universally known.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 06:03 GMT

#3568

On October 18 2012 14:51 Z-BosoN wrote:
Yea, I guess I gave setup speculation too much focus.
I was extremely confused though, and thought that maybe understanding the setup would be helpful in determining the likelihood of certain things. Boy was I wrong.

I think were all confused, everyone was acting somewhat scummy. The lurkiness didnt help. At least it wasn't as out there as talis.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 06:06 GMT

#3570

@Shiao the only reason I didn't think you were scummy was because Coag was way more scummy than you.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 14:05 GMT

#3633

On October 18 2012 21:37 Kreb wrote:

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On October 18 2012 21:27 marvellosity wrote:

On October 18 2012 21:16 Kreb wrote:

On October 18 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote:

On October 18 2012 20:20 Kreb wrote:

On October 18 2012 19:23 marvellosity wrote:
Kreb, if you'd have lynched VE all over again, then you've learnt nothing from this game. Go back and look at what you did wrong.

You realize thats not helping me, right?

Without meaning to be rude, your own attitude isn't helping you. You just said, basically, "I committed this horrendous, game-losing mistake, but... yay! I'd do it again!" Which is silly.

VE didn't play perfectly, but you went tunnel-tastic on him, and one of the roots of it was you WIFOMing on my actions. You were told by numerous players that using anything I did/said is an exercise in futility, as skilled scum players don't leave obvious tracks, and you can see this now.

Again much as VE didn't play perfectly, there were far scummier players in the thread than VE. Both slOosh and ShiaoPi literally had no town features about their play. A couple of players made strong cases on DP (I believe relating to his kush flip flops etc?) as well as his large amount of implied knowledge about KP.

You're not stupid by any means, and if you'd taken a step back from your VE case (when plenty of people told you to do so), you are quite capable of seeing these other things for yourself.

Well thats more helpful at least. The only thing I have to say about that is that last game I played I was totally onto the people playing without town features with the reasoning that "If they were town they would surely not play this bad/anti-town". You might remember it if you obsed it. What happened? Both my to pscum reads for that reason were both town. So I started to see lack of any features as exactly that, lack of anything. Which initially had me all null on sloosh, shiao and mattchew and I only started to suspect that trio when the field was thinning out and most other players remaining were more or less townish. I never really suspected any of them due to their actions...... because there were no actions.

Would you suggest always lynching players lacking of town (or any) features? If so, I'll definitely take it into account.

One of the hardest things in mafia is distinguishing between lazy/absent/bad town and scum, who have similar features.

Honestly, Matt *could* have been scum. But there were things about his brazen attitude that could have tipped you off otherwise.

ShiaoPi - iamperfection made a really *excellent* point, sadly ignored by most of the thread, that in an almost concurrent game as town, he repeatedly shouted at town for lack of activity. This should be lynchable by itself! The nature of his defences, when he appeared, how he appeared to jump all over DP. All scummy.

slOosh - if we contrast with Matt, slOosh pretended to make contributions, without ever actually doing so. Matt was just like "yeah i'm doing jack shit." slOosh popped in sometimes, made some conversation, maybe once made a case on a townie, and then left again. This is scummy in itself, but when compared to his usual meta (leader, helpful, strong) it's absolutely damning.

I gues you have a point about Shiao, but I dont have that meta knowledge really. Last game he was quite inactive until only like 5-6ppl remained too so I didnt consider him to be too far off compared to what I saw him as town.

Sloosh I wouldve found it very hard to lynch for that reason though. There were practically identical cases on Sloosh, VE, BC, Mattchew. And probably to a lesser extent on one or two more. "Too off their meta, much less helpful than usual". I dont think anyone couldve confidently single out Sloosh's scummyness compared to the others. Especially if you dont have any meta knowledge about them yourself.

But maybe I should be harder on non-contributors. Its probably gonna lead to quite a few policy-mislycnhes, but in the end maybe its worth it.

Meta's tough you have to look at a majority of their games, otherwise you get a lot of outliers. Shiao's last few games have been bad for his meta. LVI was bad play and LVII he was tracker. Their not the best indicators of town play, but LVII gives you the impression that he is at least not his townie self. But I only know that because Ive played games way back with Shiao as townie.

@Marv, do you think inactivity is a big indicator of scum players? I feel like quality of posting matters more, no?

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 17:18 GMT

#3642

On October 18 2012 23:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmmm I think it seemed rather obvious that I was scum, I did not even really try to make sense/get thread presence, also you really should have latched onto iamps comment on GSL 2 mini.

I think in regards to meta of me, just take a look at BH's case against me, I was scared as fuck as I read it, because it was like 99% correct :D

Yeah I should've add Coag to the troll list.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 18 2012 22:33 GMT

#3668

On October 19 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:

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Not really. I just remember what I said. And it's ok to change your mind on someone if you explain it.

I think the only reason I get lynch for contradiction is if I dont pay attention to what Im posting. I think I write one thing but when people read it the idea seems totally different. If you can get that exact idea down accurately, town will be able to see the change.

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 19 2012 03:10 GMT

#3671

Lol doesn't Talis post a metric shit tonne too?

BroodKingEXE

United States829 Posts

October 20 2012 04:49 GMT

#3682

On October 20 2012 00:45 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah pyp I figured was over cause we had a set lynch list (that woulda won the game had someone I forget who, showed up and voted)

In movie mafia I was pretty active and made a lot of reads... I was also scum so it was hard to post especially when I didn't have time to read

I guess I don't like sharing reads when they don't matter at all... When the lynch is set you are just making yourself a better mafia target and I like surviving... It's sucks that the weekend was when I was lynched because that's when im at my lowest activity but I don't think I made myself unreadable.

Yeah but confirmed lynches buy so much time for town. Its way better if you put those reads out right away before someone does something stupid and get their ass lynched.