EPTOn October 04 2012 00:05 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Read thread plox
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mkfuba07: First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin: - he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents. So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention) - the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us - that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time. If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now ##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote: ##Unvote Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window. As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain? Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone. ##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote: Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities... I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again. Not sure if this will do anything, but: ##Unvote ##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba? On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? | ||
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I'm gonna first respond to Toutestchaos: On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote: ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does. Not to get into your behavior analysis too much, but I still think I know best what I am doing and while I do read the thread in detail I do slip up from time to time, stuff happens. Don't know how that is alignment-indicative though. It's not like making a mistake/messing up is a exclusively scummy thing. His statement, isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction. I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this: Explain to me how it does not follow a town-mindset to try and figure out as much information as there is through the flips and night-actions. All I did was attempting to gather information and get it out to the thread. I dunno about you but there are plenty of players who do setup speculation whenever it pleases them (maybe not in this game but generally). I do not see setupspeculation as being something scummy. If you insist to see it that way, I cannot help you. Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town? The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie". One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is. This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress, and since I've called you out you've posted even less. Unless you want to be vigied at best you should respond properly to this ##FoS The real issue seems to be you not liking my case, the other things are just what you claim I did to fuba: "if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count." You are also directly contradicting yourself, you first acknowledge that my case writing skills are not good and then you proceed to call me out on a "bad" case. I think your FoS is stupidly weak and just there to divert attention off fuba's play. Regarding my inactivity yesterday, see top of the post... | ||
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On October 04 2012 11:55 Z-BosoN wrote: This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play. Mindless sheeping of a bad FoS. You actually want to critisize me for trying to be playing more active? lol I can lurk all day if you want me to. On fuba: I am less certain of my read now on him. His responses since I called him out had been explaining and informative, also clarified his stance on Node (who really should be posting something...). Heading out to uni now. might check in via phone. | ||
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On October 05 2012 11:01 ToutEstChaos wrote: 1) I didn't say your cases were false, I just said your case-writing skills are bad. And they are. The logic underlying your cases, though, is always sound. You're an asset to town when you roll town. To be absolutely clear: You're a smart guy who doesn't do dumb things and has solid reasoning. High INT and WIS, low CHA. No contradiction here, just you making one up. 2) Saying "oh something out of the game kept me from contributing for a day" is meaningless. You know it's meaningless. Everyone does. On October 05 2012 11:03 ToutEstChaos wrote: I'm gonna be clear here, just so you know I'm not a rube, ShiaoPi: I am a smurf, not a new player. Don't try to pull a fast one on me, I won't bite. Stop treating me (and everyone else in the thread) like morons. You're usually smart, communicative, and have good cases. Where's that this game? What's with this sloppy defense? I just informed you that I was busy. Even though it is meaningless, I always feel obliged to tell so. Also I know that you are a smurf, it got kind of obvious with your low postcount and seemingly reading my meta. Where did I treat anyone as moron though? I don't know where you are interpreting anything like that into my posts.... You call it a sloppy defense, when I answered every aspect of your FoS? Better look at your FoS to start with then. Summarized you make a case on me for: -not reading the thread in detail at a single instance and lurking -a post about setup speculation -a case which was bad in your opinion How the hell am I supposed to deliver a "good" defense to that? It's not like there is much to explain, you stated your viewpoint and I made my stance on those clear, you still dislike them and pegg me as scum for that. Obviously cannot convince you to change your read on me with further defending since you seem hellbent to want to lynch me. | ||
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On October 06 2012 01:19 ToutEstChaos wrote: You and ShiaoPi, as should be plainly obvious by my short, action-packed filter. Who are yours? yeah, I am obviously not on the list anymore..........like, really? I know that you are focusing on kush right now, but don't pretend I am not up there as well | ||
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On October 06 2012 03:04 ToutEstChaos wrote: I also like how you implied you're just "not reading the thread in detail" when clearly you're not paying attention at all. This is why I think you're treating me like a moron. You think I don't read my own posts, or your posts? That I wouldn't notice that you still aren't reading the thread? I hope you'd think a bit better of me than that. The fun thing is, that I feel like being treated as a moron by you. You say my underlying logic in cases is sound, even say that the one on fuba had some merit (emphasis on some) and still say that it was just weak and disregard it as scummy fluff, then you just pull this one off, as if I am more than an inch behind kush. | ||
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You are just trying to spice up a meta-read you want to have on me. | ||
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I just feel like your entire thing is incredibly weak and am making it clear to the rest. yeah you fosed me first without any reasoning, I just went on with what I wanted to do which was the fuba-case. He responded I took some steps back off it. Between these two I had no fucking time and therefore could not respond to your case earlier.... Whatever I only wanted to respond nicely to you before sleeping and ended up discussing stupidity with you. I really can't be assed to put up with that kind of attitude at half past 2 am. you'll get the reads tomorrow, at least I got some time to kill at the weekend. Doubt that I will get shot anyway thanks to you. | ||
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scummy as hell: VE, Coag and Matt, various reasons for each, but mainly for being vets their impact has been close to zero in this game. scumleaning: BC, Sloosh and whoever replaces for Node, I know I had him more on the townieside but fuck it no reason at all to go MIA like this. kind of wary off: Sharrant, risk, fuba, boson and kush Es-tu satisfait de mon travail, mon ami? | ||
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On October 06 2012 03:44 ToutEstChaos wrote: Well, I'd have believed it better if you'd divulged these reads immediately rather than waiting 20 minutes (enough time to, say, make up for not reading the thread), but this is infinitely better than before. I recognize that I've been somewhat strident with you. Thank you. I saw that on my last check on the thread on my phone in bed(like this one). bo getting out of bed again, walking to the desk, booting up the pc and getting my spreadsheet out takes time :O night for realz now | ||
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whats with all these paramedics? :D ##vote: Hapahauli | ||
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On October 07 2012 16:20 DarthPunk wrote: Also. Where the fuck are: Shiao Pi Mattchew BloodyC0bbler These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game. I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence. sup I am here, whatcha want? | ||
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Seeing all of you call for my death because of "meta" is so fucking ridiculous. If you want to meta-analyse me then do it properly by only comparing the bigger games (LVI, LVII) and the first cycles in there, see any difference? I am playing like I always do in large games..... LVII was a whole different matter DP, you know that just as well as I do, the situations are not even remotely comparable. The case of our french dude was weak, I already answered it. I do give a shit about town, I just get lazy since we got 2 cycles of 100%-red lynches now already. | ||
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Do meta properly if you do so, seriously. Your thoughts about toutestchaos dying after fingering me and kush is wifom and you know it. | ||
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I did not like BCs reaction to mementoss' claim. I personally never heard of a watcher who tracks as well, but even if there are games in which they work that way. Why jump immediately on the claimant? I don't think Mementoss claim is that foolproof but still I consider it to be an okayish believable claim. As in who I want to lynch today, it would be Mattchew, while he may have had RL issues the last cycle his posts and attitude of not really caring about town makes me think he is playing towards his scum meta. BC while not doing as much as he usually does, still contributes at least. Question is more or less why he still is alive if his night life already got used. Now I'd be curious who mementoss tracked this night. | ||
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You made clear why you don't want to vote kush, who would you like to lynch? | ||
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