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On October 07 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 13:09 kushm4sta wrote:fuck me I'm triple posting... this is why you don't post 1 liners I guess.
Soft Defense of Playbad VetsThis group is being FOSed by a lot of people (including me) just because they have very low activity and they are known to be good and experienced mafia players. This group definitely includes but is not probably not limited to: BloodyC0bbler, Keirathi, VisceraEyesTo use their inactivity as a scumtell I think is unfair. Here is why: There are too many of them to all be scum. Therefore something else must be causing vets to afk - IRL issues are very real. Especially for people who have a life (job, wife).
- Cluttering of the thread. This is the fault of 1) marv/hapa 2) useless posts from noobs.
- There is no urgency since we don't have to decide on a lynch.
- General disinterest. They have been playing for a long time. They lost their passion for forum mafia.
If you read their activity before they start lurking, it's mostly decent and what you'd expect. I propose we focus on scum targets with more evidence than "they usually play better." Wat. 1) I'm not a vet by any means. I'm relatively new to these forums (I think I started in June? July? I have like 6 games played, and 2 currently going). I certainly haven't lost my passion for the game. I had some outside things interfere with the game, and then we've had what...5 days worth of confirmed scum to lynch. My other game is just more urgent than this one. 2) There are a ton of things in my filter to accuse me for, besides inactivity. Hell, I don't even think that me being inactive is the reason anyone is accusing me, outside of the fact that I asked you why you signed up if you weren't going to play, then have proceeded to not give the game much attention. But mostly its because, although I was quite active on day 1, I haven't done any scumhunting. The fact that seem to be randomly giving me a town read and saying to look for better targets is hella fucking suspicious. There's basically no way anyone should have a town read on me right now in this game.
True enough, no one should have a town read on you. You have always been one of my favourite players but this game makes me want to never play with you or most of the forum vets again. I hope you are scum so there is an excuse for your play.
If you do not start scum hunting I will make sure you die, I've promised you this before and I'll promise it again: if you aren't town with me I'll do everything I can to make you swing.
On October 07 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote:Less than 1 hour before the d1 lynch this is what the vote looks like: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:21 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
Shady Sands (7): Marvellosity, Coagulation, kushm4sta, Risen, iamperfection, Mementoss, risk.nuke, austinmcc, ShiaoPi, kushm4sta, BroodKingEXE, Node, kingjames01
kingjames01 (2): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson
kushm4sta (1): Node, Mementoss, annul
VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Z-Boson
Mementoss (0): kingjames01
austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler
risk.nuke (1): Sharrant
Node (7): Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kushm4sta, Z-Boson, iamperfection, BroodKingEXE, kingjames01
The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands,
Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted.
It's a little under 1 hour till deadline.
Currently, Node is set to be lynched. (Tie with Shady Sands, he acquired 7 before Shady)
We now know that this was a bandwagon created by scum and directed at scum. At this point it's 7 for node and 7 for Shady. Scum are really scared right now. Z-boson is the first scum to leave the bandwagon. He moves his vote to Coag, someone who isn't even a candidate for d1 lynch. (He thinks it makes him look less suspicious than switching to shady who he knows will flip town.) Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, there he is.
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading.
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##Vote Coagulation Well not giving a shit about meta is quite dumb. Also he moves from someone who looks actually scummy to someone who's meta points to null. At that time austin (confirmed town) posts about some of the resistance to the node lynch. He singles out coag, z-boson, and sloosh. Note that all 3 of these guys still look quite scummy. Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node. In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote:
Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, there he is.
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading.
##Unvote
##Vote Coagulation Dude who randomly mentions Node On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? Paraphrasing austin: COAG discredits the bandwagon without even mentioning the scum was being bandwagoned. Z-BOSON previously randomly referenced forgettable node post 5 hours after the fact. SWOOSH also talks about the "nature" of the bandwagon. OFC he thinks it's off, because he knows his scumbuddies orchestrated it. In summary: more pressure on z-boson please.
Holy mother of a three headed fuck. This is some actual thoughts. Does anyone know if Kush is capable of this on his own? I'm suddenly worried he is being helped.
But actually a good point, I thought we had no useful lynch voting to look at since we unanimously voted Mar and now Hapa. Time to look at scum vs town lynch day one.
Players still alive that switched off of Node D1: Kush, Z-Boson, Iamperfection. Of those, two ended up on Shady while Z-bo ended up on Coag.
Players that switched onto Shady from others: Fuba (Deceased townie), Sloosh (still alive) and Annul (deceased townie).
At least one of Sloosh, Kush, Z-bo and Iamp is scum in my opinion. (Austin tells us to look Slooshward, Z-boward and Coagward for the scum + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node. In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote:
Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, there he is.
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading.
##Unvote
##Vote Coagulation Dude who randomly mentions Node Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy?
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Working on that vote count I remembered that Talis was playing. Any of you remember I can't believe its not themed? Talis played such a lurky disinterested scum game that I suggested a (pretty dumb) change in set up.
His response was: On July 23 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
It's not flavor that I don't like. I don't like deceiving, manipulating, scheming etc. I like figuring shit out, combing through evidence, putting patterns together.
Vets this game: I hate you all.
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On October 07 2012 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 19:30 Promethelax wrote:Working on that vote count I remembered that Talis was playing. Any of you remember I can't believe its not themed? Talis played such a lurky disinterested scum game that I suggested a (pretty dumb) change in set up. His response was: On July 23 2012 07:43 talismania wrote:
It's not flavor that I don't like. I don't like deceiving, manipulating, scheming etc. I like figuring shit out, combing through evidence, putting patterns together. Vets this game: I hate you all. I replaced talis. He is no longer playing. So I don't know what the point of this post is.
The point is I'm an idiot. Sorry about that. Ignore that post.
Thanks for the insight on Kush, I'd love to hear from anyone else what they think about his new found ability to think.
On October 07 2012 22:38 kushm4sta wrote:
@prome
There are so many afk vets they are not all scum.
Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which.
These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell.
That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia.
##fos
risk, z boson, coag, sloosh
Not giving a shit is a scum tell for both Risk and Matt, probably for VE as well. Coag I don't know and Kier is playing scummy as fuck though he isn't a vet. What are you waiting for? One of them to claim scum?
Also, I notice that you think Risk is worth fosing, why not Matt? what differentiates their play that makes Matt more town?
Risk. Play like a man. Don't fuck around. I know you are a good town player and I know you aren't an idiot. I'm still waiting on that case you promised me when I joined this game. Actually I'm waiting for any contribution from you. I know not all of you vets playing scummy can be scum but by god I'd lynch you all if I could.
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On October 07 2012 23:33 kushm4sta wrote:closer look at z-boson leading up to d1 lynchShow nested quote +On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
Omfg austin really loves me.
I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more.
You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective.
Right now you just seem desperate.
I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. This whole post is overly defensive, and defensive in the wrong ways. 1 He says he is just going to ignore austin. Austin's attacks have been very light up to thos point though. He says he is going to ignore them like they are some constant thing that is interfering with his scumhunting. Scum zboson says this line in order to make himself look like he isn't being overdefensive and cares primarily about scumhunting. 2 He tries to discredit austin's suspicions with a weak meta read based purely on omgus. More on z boson incoming. Making big posts on your phone is a major bitch.
More incoming? Its been two hours. Don't make promises you don't follow though on, doing that is scummy as fuck and why Risk is my #1 scum read right now (after Hapa obviously)/
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hey, open question to anyone who is town. Look at the day posts, look at the kill flavours. What do you notice? After you figure it out we should talk about this. Seriously.
open question to Kush: why are you trying now when yo never have before? What happened to make you make cases?
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Okay, off to thanksgiving dinner with some friends, after that I might come home or I might head right to work. I work in four hours and I get off in 15, I'll be back when I'm back.
Look at kill flavours and do some math.
there were 3 shots n1 (one claimed by me, two unclaimed)
there was 1 shot n2 and TEC is dead, which is the kill flavour for the paramedics. Whatever happened to him was not a mafia shot and we are missing a shot. Either there was another town shot n1 against KJ or Austin or there was a mafia shot protected n2.
Just something to think about.
Kush, it does seem like we're all there is yes. Believe me being stuck in a game with just you and DP isn't really what I wanted either. I hope some things will actually be posted while I'm out though this town needs to get its act together if we want to win.
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Well fuck me.
Some guys are dead and we haven't learned anything by reading.
Now I'm gone for real and annoyed that I didn't actually figure something out.
See you guys in some hours.
Good luck.
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On October 08 2012 16:41 Kreb wrote:Seems so. I guess we can expect a modkill.
Fuck. Fuckity fuck fuck a duck. Having him no flip is going to be awful.
Also, what the hell happened, I leave and everyone comes out of the woodwork, its not like I bite guys.
BC, sorry to hear about your gandma, I'm glad things are better. (If you are sucm lying about this I hope you get gangrene and lose at least one toe).
So, it seems to me the scummiest players are (in no real order) Risk, Matt (!!!!!flippingnoflip!!!!!), VE, Coag and Kier.
BC gets a chance to redeem himself because of his family emergency. RL does happen and I'm okay seeing what he can provide us. Trying to ignore the scum WIFOM bombs on his 3rd party status. I wouldn't mind a lynch on him eventually though if it seems like scum are eliminated. They have as much reason to want 3rd party dead as we do and, I assume based on what they said, he is bullet proof.
I'd love some input from everyone in the general theme of the Talis plan. Top three scum reads one sentence description on the reasons. Commit yourselves.
hapa: saving this for the postgame but I agree with what Risk said. You aren't playing to your wincon, you are playing to be an ass.
Risk, I've waited a full cycle. If you don't provide both cases and reads in this night cylce you will have my vote as soon as the next day cycle begins.
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On October 08 2012 19:15 Kreb wrote:I've got a what I would call pretty strong town read on BC so almost no chance I'll be supporting any case on him. And its not because of his pretty contributory posts, which I dont doubt he'd be able to do as scum too. Why then? Because of this: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2012 04:41 Kreb wrote:On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic. Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction. Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia. Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it). I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side. You're not making sense. The Node push makes no sense from a mafia distraction point of view because Shady was a townie heading inexorably for the lynch. It's in these situations mafia are usually happy to sit back as town happily hops on to the townie wagon. On Node: tell me, does his posting look like he cares for town? iamperfection pointed it out perfectly earlier: When Node was at great risk of being lynched, did he come in to drop reads and shit? No, he came in to call town stupid, and then promptly left again without making any reads or anything. How are you reading this as townie? You also, presumably from your attitude, find his defence of Shady townie. How? Want to talk about your connection stuff a little. You don't even realise how strongly you're doing it, or how it's affecting how you think. We have: On October 02 2012 08:23 Kreb wrote:
Anyway, time to put down my vote. Disregarding the first trio (kush/kj/shady) which Ive said Im not feeling too good about.
-snip-
Austin on the other hand indeed had a pretty bad reason to vote for KJ. And his obsession with the spy comment seem a bit..... out of place. Cant say Im feeling super convinced about this either considering how early it is into the game and the length of peoples filters, but meh, gotta place my vote somewhere.
As such: ##Vote austinmcc
You place your vote on him and you're not sure at all. Your very next post goes into theories about the Node wagon and how it looked and how it makes austin look much worse (which I think I've helped establish that it doesn't really). So you, yourself, never actually had strong feelings on austin if the quote above is true, until you started ladeling Node/austin/me/VE/wagon stuff on top of it. This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each. Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself. However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading. In regards to the lynch yesterday. Not sure how shady was lynched, thought we had passed that when I was active in the thread yesterday. Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way. Why do you ask? Because node had so very few posts and was easy to cherry pick. The case was also poor on him given the fact that well, its node. The only thing that speaks badly about his posting thus far is the lack of it. Making odd posts like he has is very typical of his play regardless of alignment, and the biggest tell is his lack of involvement in the game. Rather then making a case on his posts someone should have brought up the fact that a veteran player had made such few and weird looking posts as the main tell over his one sentence on his why he thought shady wasn't scum. I am back for most of the night so I will go through the thread to make sure I can get more info out given that I have a horrible trend of dying day 1's these days. Context: I presented my thought in the Node wagon and the conclusions from it. Marv entered a discussion with me to discredit me/my case and to deny any support of it. He probably did a pretty good job of it actually since I wasnt really getting much support, although it was during an inactive part of the day. In comes BC and drops the fact that Marvs reasoning was flawed. Now, why the fuck would you do that as scum? Unless its some really deep plan behind it, if you're marvs scum buddy at that time you stfu and hope Marvs arguing gets support from the masses while I get discredited.
yeah I would say it seems he is not allied with marv (I'm scared about two scum factions because of stupid aperture); but it seems like a Node defense. Calling it similar to mafia on two townies. Node ain't no townie. Thanks for bringing that to my attention though, I'll keep it in mind. Do you think it is more likely he is town or SK(since you are sure he isn't with Marv).? Why?
In case it wasn't clear I wouldn't vote BC next cycle without more reasoning than can be provided now. For the moment I want Risk to die first.
Also: where the hell do you live? no one is ever on when I come home from work. Except for DP.
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On October 08 2012 19:56 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 19:32 Promethelax wrote:On October 08 2012 19:15 Kreb wrote:I've got a what I would call pretty strong town read on BC so almost no chance I'll be supporting any case on him. And its not because of his pretty contributory posts, which I dont doubt he'd be able to do as scum too. Why then? Because of this: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2012 04:41 Kreb wrote:On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic. Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction. Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia. Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it). I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side. You're not making sense. The Node push makes no sense from a mafia distraction point of view because Shady was a townie heading inexorably for the lynch. It's in these situations mafia are usually happy to sit back as town happily hops on to the townie wagon. On Node: tell me, does his posting look like he cares for town? iamperfection pointed it out perfectly earlier: When Node was at great risk of being lynched, did he come in to drop reads and shit? No, he came in to call town stupid, and then promptly left again without making any reads or anything. How are you reading this as townie? You also, presumably from your attitude, find his defence of Shady townie. How? Want to talk about your connection stuff a little. You don't even realise how strongly you're doing it, or how it's affecting how you think. We have: On October 02 2012 08:23 Kreb wrote:
Anyway, time to put down my vote. Disregarding the first trio (kush/kj/shady) which Ive said Im not feeling too good about.
-snip-
Austin on the other hand indeed had a pretty bad reason to vote for KJ. And his obsession with the spy comment seem a bit..... out of place. Cant say Im feeling super convinced about this either considering how early it is into the game and the length of peoples filters, but meh, gotta place my vote somewhere.
As such: ##Vote austinmcc
You place your vote on him and you're not sure at all. Your very next post goes into theories about the Node wagon and how it looked and how it makes austin look much worse (which I think I've helped establish that it doesn't really). So you, yourself, never actually had strong feelings on austin if the quote above is true, until you started ladeling Node/austin/me/VE/wagon stuff on top of it. This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each. Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself. However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading. In regards to the lynch yesterday. Not sure how shady was lynched, thought we had passed that when I was active in the thread yesterday. Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way. Why do you ask? Because node had so very few posts and was easy to cherry pick. The case was also poor on him given the fact that well, its node. The only thing that speaks badly about his posting thus far is the lack of it. Making odd posts like he has is very typical of his play regardless of alignment, and the biggest tell is his lack of involvement in the game. Rather then making a case on his posts someone should have brought up the fact that a veteran player had made such few and weird looking posts as the main tell over his one sentence on his why he thought shady wasn't scum. I am back for most of the night so I will go through the thread to make sure I can get more info out given that I have a horrible trend of dying day 1's these days. Context: I presented my thought in the Node wagon and the conclusions from it. Marv entered a discussion with me to discredit me/my case and to deny any support of it. He probably did a pretty good job of it actually since I wasnt really getting much support, although it was during an inactive part of the day. In comes BC and drops the fact that Marvs reasoning was flawed. Now, why the fuck would you do that as scum? Unless its some really deep plan behind it, if you're marvs scum buddy at that time you stfu and hope Marvs arguing gets support from the masses while I get discredited. yeah I would say it seems he is not allied with marv (I'm scared about two scum factions because of stupid aperture); but it seems like a Node defense. Calling it similar to mafia on two townies. Node ain't no townie. Thanks for bringing that to my attention though, I'll keep it in mind. Do you think it is more likely he is town or SK(since you are sure he isn't with Marv).? Why? In case it wasn't clear I wouldn't vote BC next cycle without more reasoning than can be provided now. For the moment I want Risk to die first. Also: where the hell do you live? no one is ever on when I come home from work. Except for DP. Well, trying to pinpoint the SK with 16ppl left seems a bit futile. We dont even know the SKs wincon. If we knew it we might have had a chance to see whos playing towards that wincon, but as of now Im just disregarding the SK in any discussion of peoples alignments. And I live in Sweden (posting and reading a bit from work though).
Fair enough, the binary town/anti-town might be just what we need.
Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? (short list is acceptable if you don't want to give one read to be WIFOM'd at should you die).
Makes sense, timezones are weird.
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On October 08 2012 20:24 Kreb wrote:
Im gonna drop all my reasons to vote VE in one big post before this night so its out there should I die. Considering you all seem to be very reluctant to throw suspicions my way (awww <3) I think I might be considered a target by mafia at least. That, however, is not something I'd like to do at work though. =)
But hey, we can always hope we get another Paramedic self-kill!
Really? You want a paramedic to die again. I hope not and I doubt town would survive that happening. Too many people are doing nothing because the lynch is a forgone conclusion; BC thinks town is in a good position and he would be right if the remaining players were promoting a good town atmosphere but they really aren't.
On October 09 2012 05:12 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 05:01 BroodKingEXE wrote:
EBWOP: Never mind about the second question I see why. i dont see why?
Killing the SK removes KP which (in this situation) it would be optimal to use against town. Also we have to lynch him eventually, literally have to.
Mementoss: Hapa/Node was not a mafia vig. He was a goon carrying out the NK. Can you elaborate on your role changing? What was it before the clues were removed? Since you are a likely NK please share your scum reads with us before the deadline, that is who do you think is scum besides Kush. Thank you.
On October 09 2012 03:08 Mattchew wrote:
hey guys sorry i missed the last 2 days. was away from home all weekend
So, how is HOTS? And what the hell are any of your reads. About anything.
Is Matt still in this game or is he going to be modkilled?
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On October 09 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:
Meh, some people already read it, so its kind of pointless to edit it now :o
Bah, I missed it. Is that all you want to add though, really?
On October 09 2012 05:54 risk.nuke wrote:
Why do you believe the third party is sk?
If the 3rd party was a survivor it would be better for him to claim the role and let everyone leave him alone.
DrH says
This game will consist of a town, mafia and a single third party player. The third party player winning will not end the game unless he meets a more difficult and specific condition. If there was a way for him to win without ending the game he could ally himself with town, share his wincon and work towards a victory where he is not killed.
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On October 09 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I may or may not buy it - but I think BC is not tomorrow's lynch.
I prefer Kush.
I actually have to agree with the bolded. Assuming Mementoss is telling the truth Scum tried to kill BC, ergo BC is not scum. He is either Vet or SK/3rd party/whatever. I would prefer to lynch scum, especially since I'm not totally confidant that 3rd party has night kills and if he doesn't than all the better for us, when it gets to super late game and getting the 3rd party really matters we can reconsider BC. Or, if it seems like 3rd party does have night kills we can go looking again.
I prefer a risk lynch tomorrow.
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On October 09 2012 06:54 Keirathi wrote:
This is what I hate about after-the-fact edits.
Mementoss willingly gave information about his role without hesitation when Promethelax asked, but had to edit it out because he was ninja'd by BM24.
Save it for the post game (that is what I'm doing).
Instead of bitching about the host decisions maybe you can grace us with a read. You are better than your play in this game. I know you have been doubting your abilities as a townie recently but maybe you could at least try to do some analysis, get some reads and get a post out before deadline.
Pre Post Edit: I see that we agree about the reasons that this is a shitty host decision. Leave it dude, nothing we can do about it. We're in the middle of a game and being stuck on this won't help town at all. You've posted more on not being able to talk about Memen's post than you have about anything in days. It affected your read, eh? Well what read is that?
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On October 09 2012 07:09 Keirathi wrote:
That I almost 100% believe Mementoss's claim at this point.
As far as BC...I think its about 50/50 whether he's SK or Vet. We don't know enough about the scum numbers or KP to be able to decidedly prove that there's an SK, IMO. And claiming that he was medic protected as a Vet does make some modicum of sense. Its probably what I would do if I knew there were save notifications (ie austin).
I'm...not sure he's worth lynching tomorrow. Even if he is SK, SK at this point is probably wants to shoot townies but doesn't want to overlap his shots. So he would be aiming for less obvious townies (which could be beneficial to us, as it gets rid of some controversial townies), and may end up inadvertently hitting scum.
My next read is going to be about risk.nuke. I'm going through some logs and checking a previous game. I'll post it soon.
People keep saying how ahead we are, is that really true? do you think we're at a 13-2-1 situation right now or 12-3-1 or what? I see those still being pretty balanced. We've lost some power roles, scum has lost their GF. And, most importantly, we have had almost no discussion for two cycles. How do you see us as so far ahead of scum that SK wants to eliminate townies?
VE, Kier, thanks for participating. Its nice to see you guys posting more.
VE: if Kush were to be Vig'd who would you want to lynch next Day?
Kier: What do you think of our lurking contingent, there are a lot of good players not joining in, which of the is towniest and which scummiest?
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On October 09 2012 11:46 Coagulation wrote:PUSSY DESTROYER ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FbtHG.gif)
What the fuck are you doing?
Kier: good point on Risk. I'll take another look, how about Matt? I feel like he would contribute more as town than he is contributing right now, since reactivating he has done nothing. RL happens but when you (Matt) are actively lurking and not posting there is a problem.
Speaking of RL my fiance just came back from thanksgiving with her family. I'll be a little busier in the coming days and certainly less active (except when I post from school while bored with class).
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gg guys, it was fun.
obs qt please.
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