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First: Welcome Thrawn! =)
Ok, onto business. What bothers me is that by the time I went to sleep there was a minor Austin wagon starting. It didnt take off at all. Then some time later Node comes in as a target and BOOM there plenty of votes going his way. Lets take a look at the posts which started these wagons:
I guess this would be the first post about austin, and it sums up the case on him pretty well:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 05:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
-_- if you read the OP you would clearly see above the roles that all in the game are included but details of them are not known.
If their was a role with the name of spy everyone would know about it just not what it does.
You jumping on him for something that is obviously not a role and wanting to lynch screams to me "i found a powerrole, lets lynch it"
You have a horrible reason for jumping on KJ and it screams desperate for a reason to lynch him.
Then theres the Node case:
+ Show Spoiler +NodeNode is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasis On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote:Another interesting mention of Shady: Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. Node responds To be fair, this was before he disappeared from the thread again. I don't like at all how he left completely once he wasn't in the lead for the lynch. Now that he's back in front don't be surprised to see him spring out of nowhere. However, I'd still rather see kush dead, overall. My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence).
Doesnt it strike anyone as a bit odd how Node could gain so much momentum and not austin? I'll admit that the case on austin isnt the most extensive, but I certainly think its better than the Node case. Especially considering austin is the one initiating the Node wagon.
After that follows a bunch of people saying "yea I like this" and it gets going incredibly quickly.
Lets look at the case on Node itself: The case is built by the fact that, according to austin, Node calls Shady town for weak reasons. Yet he doesnt say anywhere in his post he calls him towny, he calls Shady "not scummy", not "towny". Also the case is largely built on the fact that Shady would be scum (I agree Node would look suspicious in that case, but now we know better at least). But if the case is built on that we should be pushing Shady, get his flip and then push Node afterwards when we know Shadys alignment.
So we have a pretty big wagon starting for what I would call an extremely weak case. The timing of the case is also a bit telling with it starting soon after the austin wagon. There would be clear scum motives to start a rivalling wagon to austin if austin is scum. Also, note how this also effectively killed the austin wagon. Only two persons I could find actually posted a reason to not jump on that wagon, VE:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I went over austin's filter and was coming back to tell you guys that I didn't want to lynch him based upon it, and then I saw two walls of his. We're not lynching austin today.
I'm liking a Node lynch. I do NOT think we have the votes to make it happen. I still like a Shady lynch, but more and more it's feeling like an angry townie ragequitting the game more than a scummy manipulation tactic. However his explanation for his trolling was totally bullshit and I can get behind his lynch more than kj/austin.
And Shiao:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.
Sharrant and KJ also expresses approval on the austin-case (page 22) but it gets kinda drowned in what follows.
But still, even with three voters and another two approving of it, it doesnt get half the momentum the Node wagon does!
Ok, onto some conclusions on what I get from this.
- I dont think Node is scum. The case is weak and the wagon strange.
- I still think austin is scum and that mafia successfully managed to diverge town attention from austin to Node (while keeping Shady as a backup which they obviously were fine with).
People I think come off as scummy because of this:
- VisceraEyes
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I went over austin's filter and was coming back to tell you guys that I didn't want to lynch him based upon it, and then I saw two walls of his. We're not lynching austin today.
I'm liking a Node lynch. I do NOT think we have the votes to make it happen. I still like a Shady lynch, but more and more it's feeling like an angry townie ragequitting the game more than a scummy manipulation tactic. However his explanation for his trolling was totally bullshit and I can get behind his lynch more than kj/austin.
Abandons austin with no good reason. He says he already has a reason ready after having read his filter, but somehow the two walls of text makes expressing those reasons unnecessary. He still hasnt yet expressed why he left austin. This seems very convenient. Ending it with a clear statement that "We're not lynching him today" also sounds weird. Even if VE is town and honestly believe austin isnt scum, why would he feel the need to add a strong statement like that? Why wouldnt he encourage further discussion on the austin-topic even though he doesnt plan to vote for him?
- Marvellosity
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 10:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I went over austin's filter and was coming back to tell you guys that I didn't want to lynch him based upon it, and then I saw two walls of his. We're not lynching austin today.
I'm liking a Node lynch. I do NOT think we have the votes to make it happen. I still like a Shady lynch, but more and more it's feeling like an angry townie ragequitting the game more than a scummy manipulation tactic. However his explanation for his trolling was totally bullshit and I can get behind his lynch more than kj/austin.
I have very similar thoughts to this indeed. There are still some of us around and votes are split. Let's see if we can push Node? As with you I prefer him to Shady and Shady to then anyone else.
Less scummy than VE, could just be a case of trusting VE a bit too much. Also it seems a bit unlikely scum would line up three of their players to have one post a case (austin), and then two immediately following it (VE and marv). It would be a bit too obvious. However, this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 11:04 marvellosity wrote:
let's do this
##vote: node
Kinda strengthens the suspicions again. So Im not really sure where to put marv right now.
Less scummy:
Kush, Boson, imperfection, BroodKing. Since they are all joining the wagon without any real motivation. At this point the wagon is rolling and people are switching, but I will definitely keep my eye on these four.
Overall I must say its remarkable how how people switch so fast to Node because of what I would call a very weak case made by a person who is currently set up to have a wagon starting on him (austin). I'd say its very likely we have at least one scum in the austin/VE/marv trio. Two is definitely possible too. All three? Maybe not, it would be a bit too obvious I feel.
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Annul, being the first one to notice this, comes off as town to me.
I'll look at the people mentioned more closely and see what additional info I can possibly find when I get more time. For now, this post just covers the (imo) terrible Node case.
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On October 02 2012 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kush are you scum?
People have been calling him out for saying scummy sounding stuff, and some people have said that he's not playing at all like his scum meta. Well I don't think he's playing like his town meta. He's known for saying dumb stuff from time to time as either town/mafia but this game he just seems way too illogical, even taking his meta into account. In the last game I played with him where he was town he was extremely helpful and the flames were few and far between. His scum meta has been exposed to be full of faked anger, extreme failures of logic, and constant insults towards everyone in the game. The way he's playing this game strikes me as a slightly toned down version of his scum meta. He rolled scum twice in a row and everyone got to see his scum play, so he would have changed his meta somewhat if he were to roll scum again. But it still seems like he's putting up somewhat of an act, and in the games where he was town you could see right through to his obviously convoluted townie thought process. While reading through his posts in this game I get this huge "I don't give a shit" vibe about his feelings towards the lynch and he's said several things that suggest he's not trying very hard or caring about his vote, and that's not the town kush I know.
Town kush = sometimes says dumb stuff, but you can see right through to his thought process and he's very cooperative in general
Scum kush = faked anger, extreme stupidity at times, and likes to throw around insults very often
This game = looks more like his scum meta than his town meta. He's being too illogical/rude for me to be able to write it off as his "scummy town-meta"
Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush.
And considering:
-I think marv acted scummy in the Node case
-marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him
-Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon
-You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game
Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv.
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On October 02 2012 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not the worst part. The worst part is we lynched a townie. That's just a bad, expected, forseeable part.
The worst part is that we didn't fucking lynch scum annul.
On October 02 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote:I really like austin all of a sudden. And really dislike Mattchew. It's going to be an eventful night guys. Sleep tight. 
Three lines of text, three questions:
1) What gave you the scum-read on annul? You were targetting him previously but to my knowledge your last stance on him was this:
At this point I'm null - I got a false read on him early on, and while I think his anger at me seems a little contrived, I know I've overreacted once or twice to people calling my posts stupid or something. Once that I remember for sure. Maybe twice.
Has this changed? If so, why?
2) Why do you like austin?
3) Why do you dislike Mattchew?
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On October 02 2012 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Here. Let me tell you why you're fucking awful. You're fucking awful because you've already managed to make a 4-man connection before anyone involved (node, austin, kush). Who do you think is better at understanding meta, newbie thrawn (no offence intended at all, just fact) or me?
Who *have* we had flipped? We've had Shady flipped. Confirmed town. What drugs are you on when you're looking at those on the Node wagon as the most culpable, instead of the people who derailed it back to Shady?
Who I think has better understanding of meta is irrelevant unless I know you're both town. But for the question, I dont have an opinion whether you or him are better right now. Havent played with you two enough.
About the second part, because gave me my biggest "wtf is this"-feeling when reading through what happened. The Node wagon seems very unnatural and compared to other voting trends this game Nodes stand out big time. There will also be time to look at the Shady lynch, which I will try to do now among other things.
Also:
+ Show Spoiler +Dont make me "pull an annul" on you please. If you cant keep level-header enough to make a response without calling me fucking awful, please take a few minutes to cool off before typing an answer.
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On October 02 2012 21:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 18:54 Kreb wrote:On October 02 2012 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kush are you scum?
People have been calling him out for saying scummy sounding stuff, and some people have said that he's not playing at all like his scum meta. Well I don't think he's playing like his town meta. He's known for saying dumb stuff from time to time as either town/mafia but this game he just seems way too illogical, even taking his meta into account. In the last game I played with him where he was town he was extremely helpful and the flames were few and far between. His scum meta has been exposed to be full of faked anger, extreme failures of logic, and constant insults towards everyone in the game. The way he's playing this game strikes me as a slightly toned down version of his scum meta. He rolled scum twice in a row and everyone got to see his scum play, so he would have changed his meta somewhat if he were to roll scum again. But it still seems like he's putting up somewhat of an act, and in the games where he was town you could see right through to his obviously convoluted townie thought process. While reading through his posts in this game I get this huge "I don't give a shit" vibe about his feelings towards the lynch and he's said several things that suggest he's not trying very hard or caring about his vote, and that's not the town kush I know.
Town kush = sometimes says dumb stuff, but you can see right through to his thought process and he's very cooperative in general
Scum kush = faked anger, extreme stupidity at times, and likes to throw around insults very often
This game = looks more like his scum meta than his town meta. He's being too illogical/rude for me to be able to write it off as his "scummy town-meta"
Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush. And considering: -I think marv acted scummy in the Node case -marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him -Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon -You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv. Why did you only include marv in those that defended kush. I remember several people doing. Myself included somewhat.
There might have been more defending him, but only marv focused heavily on putting kush as his town meta in his defense (and not defended for other reasons), no? I there were more people doing it, I must've missed it and then I apologize for doing so.
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On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb.
At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady.
Now tell me how this makes sense?
That makes a bit more sense, yea. But that doesnt change the fact that the wagon seemed very forced and unnatural. Its true though there might be other purposes behind it than as an austin-distraction.
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On October 03 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
I was perfectly level-headed. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or in mafia lingo, don't make massive connection plays without any flips. Because it's like... fucking awful.
My perspective on the Node wagon and how it went down: there were clearly a good number of people who weren't satisfied with the main options - kj, austin, Shady. Whereas Node was both lurking/not giving a crap about town, *and* looked scummy while doing so with his odd defence of Shady.
And the only connection case I was working with was possibly you/kush. The other case about the Node wagon is a case in itself (the wagon was unnatural and forced -> the are likely scum among the people who pushed it, which were austin/VE/you). It does, however, get a lot stronger with flips. Should we lynch austin and he flips red, you and VE look really really bad. And I'll almost 100% be tunneling you two should that happen. For now Im more open to other options though. But it most certainly shouldnt be ignored just because we dont have a flip on any of you three yet.
+ Show Spoiler +If you were level-headed, then please post like you are too. And spare me of the tough-guy "yo, if you cant take some personal insults dont come into our hood". And you didnt say my connection case was fucking awful, you said I was.
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On October 03 2012 01:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Kreb:
Did austin's recent posts change your read? What do you make of his apprehension of your post?
Initially, nothing made me change my view of him. He came into the thread at a time when there were votes starting to get dropped his way. Joining the thread is a proper town move at that point, and also pointing out scummyness with other players also. However its not exactly a super crafty move to pull as mafia either, and the cases werent very strong if you ask me. But overall his initial posts gave me nothing on him which had him locked on the scummy side since before.
Since then, two things have made me slightly less suspicious of austin:
- His mega-case on annul. Not that I agree with all points, and it seemed he retracted some parts of it, but the extensiveness and the fact that he kept on contributing after being "saved" is towny.
- Marv correctly pointing out that the last 5 votes was on Shady when the Node-wagon started. That doesnt make the wagon less suspicious, and it doesnt clear those who started the wagon in any way. But if makes it less likely that the purpose of the wagon was to disctract town from an austin-lynch.
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But overall his initial posts gave me nothing new on him which had me keeping him locked on the scummy side since before.
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On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic.
Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction.
Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia.
Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it).
I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side.
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On October 03 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:41 Kreb wrote:On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic. Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction. Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia. Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it). I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side. You're not making sense. The Node push makes no sense from a mafia distraction point of view because Shady was a townie heading inexorably for the lynch. It's in these situations mafia are usually happy to sit back as town happily hops on to the townie wagon. On Node: tell me, does his posting look like he cares for town? iamperfection pointed it out perfectly earlier: When Node was at great risk of being lynched, did he come in to drop reads and shit? No, he came in to call town stupid, and then promptly left again without making any reads or anything. How are you reading this as townie? You also, presumably from your attitude, find his defence of Shady townie. How? Want to talk about your connection stuff a little. You don't even realise how strongly you're doing it, or how it's affecting how you think. We have: Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 08:23 Kreb wrote:
Anyway, time to put down my vote. Disregarding the first trio (kush/kj/shady) which Ive said Im not feeling too good about.
-snip-
Austin on the other hand indeed had a pretty bad reason to vote for KJ. And his obsession with the spy comment seem a bit..... out of place. Cant say Im feeling super convinced about this either considering how early it is into the game and the length of peoples filters, but meh, gotta place my vote somewhere.
As such: ##Vote austinmcc
You place your vote on him and you're not sure at all. Your very next post goes into theories about the Node wagon and how it looked and how it makes austin look much worse (which I think I've helped establish that it doesn't really). So you, yourself, never actually had strong feelings on austin if the quote above is true, until you started ladeling Node/austin/me/VE/wagon stuff on top of it.
I dont find Node towny from his posting. I dont find Node scummy from his posting. Geez. He has a whole 3 posts and I dont find anything alignment indicative in any of them. Stop saying anything else. As for not posting more when he was getting voted on, I dont see how thats anything but a very very minor read in either direction. Yea I can see it being somewhat scummy, but its overshadowed by other happening.
For the second part: What words do you want me to use? Not feeling good/feeling kinda good/feeling ok/feeling so-so/feeling good/feeling confident/feeling kinda confidect/etc. I use the wording "not feeling super convinced". Maybe I couldve phrased it better, but thats what you got. "Feeling kinda good" or "feeling better than about any other voting target" would probably have been accurate descriptions of my feelings at that time too. Thats ok with you? I dont see anything contradictory in the wording I used though. And my wording feels like quite an irrelevant discussion and I dont like to have to spend my time defending that.
Heres a recap, hopefully we can drop this discussion after this, we're not doing any scumhunting atm (the last 12h has been all about me/you/austin/VE/annul/node, theres 18ppl neither posting nor being discussed) but I hate not responding to questions since it makes it look like I ignore them:
When I went to sleep: thinking austin was the best target
When I read the thread: going wtf over the Node-wagon, concluding that the most likely reason for such a wagon to occur is a distraction. If so, from who? Gotta be austin! Meaning scum read on austin increases.
After the recent discussion: Lowered my scum read on austin somewhat, still thinking the wagon is scummy as hell, considering other reasons as to why said wagon was started.
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One person I'd like to see more contribution from given the length of his filter is Risen. His filter is actually pretty long (was very surprised to find that, heh) but its mostly very short posts. Agreeing a bit here, disagreeing a bit there and adding a question or two. Whats your top scum reads atm?
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On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green.
On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself.
On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way.
Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one thinking that way. Not sure what to make of it but its a bit strange no one (not even marv...) questions it when coming from another player. Hmm.
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This looks to be a much less eventful 48h, heh!
##Vote: marvellosity
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On October 03 2012 19:55 kushm4sta wrote:
I dont get why annul died..
Vig shot?
Most likely seems to be mafia hit one veteran-type-of-role or was roleblocked/medic-saved (assuming mafia has 2kp). The other kp on kingjames. That said, speculation doesnt really get us anywhere, too many possible combinations and we dont even know the roles do or if traditional veteran/medic/roleblocker roles are present.
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On October 03 2012 21:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
Couple of thoughts from reading marvs filter, now that he is pretty much confirmed scum.
First off, his reaction to kreb makes me raise an eyebrow. He was extremely aggressive for something that could simply have been a townie thought. Kreb also hadn't made an association case, he simply said that some people looked scummy. Also, kreb said that marvs node push made him look scummy and generally made a weak semicase vs marv. It didn't feel legit and marvs reaction felt forced. I myself don't know what I'm implying but I think this interaction will become useful later.
There's also some interesting info regarding the node push. Marv stated that it didn't make sense at all from a mafia perspective, yet made the push. Pretty much an attempt at clearing suspicion. Now, I'm not gonna go and start accusing everyone on the node lynch because I myself sheeped it, as town. But Afaik, VE and marv basically started the Node push, and pretty much at the same time.
Initially I thought this would clear node, but it's pretty easy to not actually make it go through as mafia.
So, my conclusion from this is: VE looks pretty damn scummy right now. 1) He basically claimed he got RB(and its almost factual that at least one kill didn't go through). 2) marv showed weird hostility on the association kreb didn't make. 3) he co-led the Node push with another scum at the same time -> came from qt, quite possibly. They were pretty much caught with their pants down if it was indeed scum-influenced.
Agreed. VE also didnt reply to any questions I asked him afterwards, nor did he reply to me calling him out for a very weak vote-switch to Node (left it to marv to do the dirty work by agressively defending my accusations while also clogging up the thread with plenty of posts?).
He has also, should he be town, been either terribly bad or terribly unlucky in his scumhunting. Lets look at a few people he has touched on:
1) I've got my eye on ShadySands, annul and Mattchew right now. Pretty sure there's scum buried deep within that trio.
2 confirmed town flips.
2) Then the attack on annul - confirmed town flip.
3) After dropping annul, posting this
I'm willing to lynch into ShadySands, kingjames01 as it stands. We really need more content from everyone though.
while placing his vote on Shady. 2 confirmed town.
4) Voted Node - no flip on him yet though.
5) The worst part is that we didn't fucking lynch scum annul.
Going back to annul (confirmed town) after mislynch. With very little motivation (and refused to explain himself when I questioned it).
6) Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead.
Medics, on me and marv.
DTs, on BC and Mattchew.
We totally got this.
Calling for a medic on a confirmed (yea, he is) scum, calling vig shot on a confirmed town.
He is either scum or just randomly managed to call out about every single confirmed player (except Risen) the wrong alignment. VE is my top scum read atm.
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On October 03 2012 21:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kreb, a lot of ppl called those players out, including myself (not-including shady sands). I think that's pretty much a null tell
I'm pretty sure no one called out all three of Shady, Kingjames and Annul while simultaneously calling for a medic on a scum. Lots called one, someone might have called two, I'm pretty sure no one called three and Im 100% sure no one called all three + medic on scum.
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On October 04 2012 06:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kei, I don't get why scum would want to claim RB.
I think he claimed RB because he did, in fact, get RB and doesn't want an angry roleblocker on his ass.
So, we got 2 vigi shots, and 2 mafia shots accounted for?
mafia on BC and ... austin?
and vigis on kingjames01 and annul.
If that's correct, probably all shots went through and my VE got roleblocked and thus didn't kill supposition is wrong.
Unless... austin is lying just so the angry roleblocker doesn't push VE or whoever else might have gotten roleblock as well? Hm...
Carry on
I can see one reason to target austin though: Killing austin (supposing he is town) would possibly kill any support for the idea that the Node case was mafia-fabricated/fuelled. Because there would be no clear purpose to why mafia would have pushed it then. Maybe thats far-fetched, but its a thought anyway. Still thinking the whole idea with both a medic and vigi/mafia targetting austin seems strange though. Could austin be a veteran-role instead and claiming medic-save to confuse mafia? Or is there any other reason why a town-role would fake claim something like that?
Or, of course, he is straight up lying and is scum.
That said, while I dont mind the recent low quality discussion too much since its more than 4 days until next "real" lynch, I think people are spending a bit too much effort speculating on setup. Even if there are 3 medics, so what? That doesnt give us anything.
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On October 04 2012 06:51 mkfuba07 wrote:
[b]So, did anyone actually read what I wrote about VE? What did you think about it? Anyone?
Well, a good 5+ have expressed suspicions of VE so far. I dont think we all need to go and quote each other saying we agree. The ball is in his court, lets wait and see if he has anything to say.
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For all we know, there could be a role fake-targetting people during the night. Or you could be misinterpreting the PM. Or BM purposedly wants the PMs to be vague/misinterpreted. Or a whole bunch of other options. Yea...
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On October 04 2012 08:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
So? What's the point of that post? Are you saying that you find me suspicious for my RB claim because it could be anything? Thanks guy, but I said that WHEN I CLAIMED. So I mean...obviously interpret it however you want.
Was that directed to me? My last post wasnt directed to you (or anyone really), it was an addendum to
That said, while I dont mind the recent low quality discussion too much since its more than 4 days until next "real" lynch, I think people are spending a bit too much effort speculating on setup. Even if there are 3 medics, so what? That doesnt give us anything.
Meh, now Im getting into the speculating which I said I thought was fruitless....
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