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VisceraEyes
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DarthPunk Keirathi ZBoson ...am I missing anyone? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 12 2012 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh right, your "meta" read on marv's scum play. Pull the other one Kei. You're just fearmongering because you were wrong. I'm 99.9% sure that Kush was actually town. Using a combination of kush's own meta (scum kush would have FLIPPED-THE-FUCK-OUT), AND marv's (which is relevent, cause you know, marv actually flipped scum. Seriously go look through his games, he has no precedent for hard defending a scumbuddy who is a liability to him winning.) | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 12 2012 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I have another check. Scum let me have it. Anyone wanna guess who it was? Anyone? Anyone care because it's pretty much useless? i wanna know | ||
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Mattchew
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VisceraEyes
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Get outta here Matt. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:59 Keirathi wrote: In case I die tonight: DarthPunk I originally gave him a town read when he replaced into the game because of his case on me. He was absolutely right, I hadn't done anything in the game to establish myself as town, and I've been lurking pretty hard. But some key things stand out to me: 1) When the lynch actually mattered (day 4), he didn't even mention me or try to push me at all. There was a pretty long period of time before VE claimed the red check on kush. And, he even went so far as to agree with my case on slOosh. Why is he agreeing with someone who looks "really scummy to him"? 2) His reasoning for pushing kush was pretty terrible. + Show Spoiler [Sorry, this was kind of long so I spoi…] + On October 09 2012 17:28 DarthPunk wrote: You Employed WIFOM against me in order to mask your scum slips and meta. By intentionally making scum slips and employing your scum meta. It is the scummiest thing that has happened in this thread. And bvy god you should have been lynched for it days ago. It even caused ToutEstChaos to change his mind and make you his number one scum read. A confirmed town thinks you were the most likely scum. You shat all over the thread. You have barely scum hunted despite a lengthy filter. You have proven that you are aware of your meta so that is now useless. You employed Wifom to mask your scumslips and scum meta. Marv defended you before he was caught. Hapa defended you before he was caught. As soon as you became toutEstchaos' number one scum read he died. The only argument in your favor comes from a suspicious player in his own right. And is comprised of pure WIFOM and speculation. I have not voted for you so now you are lying or not reading. And the case against you is far more than you 'fucking with me' which in itself is far to simplistic an explanation. Not a single thing in that "case" demonstrated kush being scum. In fact, like I argued, based on marv's meta, the point about marv defending him actually pushed him into a town read for me. 3) He throws around the word WIFOM to discredit any opinions that he doesn't share, but he's fine using "WIFOM" arguments himself: But, when I point out, with a "WIFOM" read of kush based on marv's meta: Why is it okay for him, but not for me? Because he's scum and just looking for reasons to discredit people. 4) Complete turnaround on kush as the lynch got closer I'm not going to quote them all here, but look at every post he made about kush. Everyone single one, until 2 hours before the lynch deadline, was him being absolutely certain that kush was scum. No doubt whatsoever. He even claimed that kush had been doing exactly the same thing that he did in LVII as scum with the "If I'm town, you'll agree that you're dumb?" thing. *THEN* there was the claimed red check that should have strengthened his read. I just don't see town DP suddenly changing his mind because of a few things that kush said. As it happened, it just felt like scum DP trying to distance himself from the lynch and buy some townie points after the flip for having a "change of heart". 5) Seems to *KNOW* that VE isn't lying about the cop claim As town, DP should have a healthy paranoia that VE was lying about the claim. Hell, I know I do. But DP insists that 100% VE can't be lying: (Also, note again, that he's happy to use WIFOM when it benefits him). But...you weren't lynching him from the red check? You were lynching him because you had a scum read on him. He's just too sure that VE can't be lying. + Show Spoiler + Not entirely relevant, but circumstantial evidence that just personally adds to my read of him being scum: talismania (who DP replaced), is known for being super lurky/disinterested as scum (and maybe even getting modreplaced?) It makes sense to me that talis rolled scum and then didn't care about the game anymore so got modkilled slOosh I still think slOosh is scum. Case for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16495401 Now, for the 5th (and probably last?) scum. Somewhere between Mattchew/ShiaoPi/VE. I would only believe its VE at this point if someone else counterclaims him though. Yeah I agreed that your case was good. It was. My case on you was based on inactivity and lack of scumhunting. You were then active and scumhunted. You made a good case on Sloosh. and the initial reasons for my suspicions had become less prevalent that I didn't really find you that suspicious anymore. Certainly not a town read. But not enough for me to push for your lynch. I don't think my case on kush was terrible at all. But if you do that is your prerogative. I don't see how being bad = being scum Yeah. I use WIFOM sometimes. but generally as an addition to other factors as I use it often to get a gut read. Certainly a case can;t be pure WIFOM as yours was. But I feel it is worth considering at times. None of this makes me scum however. My reversal on Kush was based on a.) his attitude in the face of defeat. and b.) the Z-Boson exchanges. I was not the only person to change their mind on the Kush lynch. and there was a clear progression for me to make that change of mind. Changing my mind does not = scum And anyone who does not believe VE cop claim has either not read the thread or is overly paranoid. doesn't make me scum either. You have done a fair job of pointing out the flaws in my play. But I think most of it has to do with myself not properly explaining the thought process behind certain decisions/reads. I certainly don't see anything scummy. Nor do I see how you can be so certain I am scum off such a poor case. What you have stated is certainly true to an extent. But it does not make me scum. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 12 2012 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote: lol Get outta here Matt. this is a rather ironic statement considering the accusations against me gn i might check-in via phone tomorrow (i just started working today) | ||
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DarthPunk
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VisceraEyes
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DarthPunk
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On October 12 2012 14:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I just said why no one was killed. Scum had to withhold shots so they could change the flip. Psh duh. Like I just said it Darth weren't you listening? Yeha. But that is just conjecture. And if those mechanics were present wouldn't they be in the OP like they are in LVIII? I understand that is possible. But I would have thought those kind of mechanics would have been in the OP. | ||
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DarthPunk
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Would you expect a role like "Medical Examiner" to be a watcher type role? Honestly... | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote: It's a closed setup. We weren't told what the roles do. They could do anything. Would you expect a role like "Medical Examiner" to be a watcher type role? Honestly... Still How many KP would it be worth to sacrifice to hide Kush's flip. 1? 2? Doesn't seem worth it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Are you being intentionally obtuse? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote: It wouldn't be worth it to HIDE his flip...you don't think it would be worth it to REVERSE his flip? Maybe discredit the claimed cop? Are you being intentionally obtuse? Not intentionally. Meh forget it. I defer to your experience and skill. I Guess they wanted to fuck with you. Anyway. Who did you check? If the above holds true your checks are actually worth something again. | ||
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Coagulation
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Anyway, who would YOU have checked? I'm performing a social experiment with my check. | ||
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DarthPunk
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