EPTDoes anyone have a better person to lynch at this point? I havnt seen anyone that screams scum aside from shady... gotta work with what we got.
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
Does anyone have a better person to lynch at this point? I havnt seen anyone that screams scum aside from shady... gotta work with what we got. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete. Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 01 2012 11:39 kingjames01 wrote: So what we're shifting towards is whether Shady's 'plan' to preempt trolling was legitimate or a cover-up? That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete. Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why. A spy read? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On October 01 2012 11:13 Keirathi wrote: I thought you were going to be posting more? Friend visited from out of town for my birthday, so I've been out for a while. All that's really stuck out to me was the Kei + KJ interaction, as well as Shady's trolling explanation. I thought I found some inconsistencies with how Shady had played in the past, but it turned out that I was confusing him with another player in my first game. Since he posted his intent to "troll" before the game started, I'm not ready to use it as a reason to vote for him. His votes and reads seem a bit off to me as well, but I know from my experience with him that I almost always disagree with his early D1 reads. I kind of have a personal "no vote for shady until D2" policy (unless he still seems scummy to me and it will avoid a no-lynch). That leaves me with KJ. So far he's talked a lot without saying very much. He's pointed a few fingers and then quickly pulled them away. I believe it's understood that any D1 scumreads are going to be pretty weak (except in specific cases) but he seems to be placing more emphasis on the fact that he's not calling someone out than the fact that someone or something is scummy/suspicious. So my vote's going to fall on him. ##Vote kingjames01 | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter? Before the game ever started: On September 30 2012 11:20 Shady Sands wrote: /in I am going to play like a troll this game. You have all been warned. Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I can't let a question for me stand unanswered. My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort. I put it there because I always like to have my vote somewhere, and he seemed like a good place to park it because 1 he was being annoying 2 he was being mean to me Mainly those 2 I think. Can you please not treat it like a big deal? I didn't. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Your vote is your means of pressuring someone and getting a response. If your vote is meaningless all game, no one is going to care about it and feel the need to justify themselves to you. You're basically giving up your only power as a townie for some contrived need of having your vote out. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Why is parking my vote on someone I don't think is scum a good idea? It's only a good idea in the beginning of the game when i don't think anyone is scum and have 0 scumreads on everyone. As for your second question, a vote has an innate power no matter how you use it. If someone has enough at the end of the day they die. If you use it to pressure it is like an exclamation point at the end of your argument, and that is something that will be ignored by any level headed scum. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
His "all is as was planned" reaction afterwards is the most ridiculous thing he's ever posted imo and just makes me want to punch him. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote: Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked. The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow. Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious. ## Unvote ## Vote Z-Boson Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor. I don't see how that's scum-motivated, I'd like someone to explain this to me. At best, it makes him a snot I want to punch. Coags latest post however: On October 01 2012 11:17 Coagulation wrote: Im content with lynching Shady Sands. Does anyone have a better person to lynch at this point? I havnt seen anyone that screams scum aside from shady... gotta work with what we got. Strikes me as much scummier. He didn't feel the need to say why SS seems scummy, as if it were crystal clear as to why he is scum. I also don't like that kingjames fellow. His posts are almost all useless, and don't add basically anything. + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2012 03:17 kingjames01 wrote: If we want lurkers to post more, then we all have to contribute meaningfully. This will force scum to come out of hiding in order to fit in. They're going to try to post from the perspective that they're Town but it's pretty hard to do so. At that point we can work on who actually cares about scum hunting and who is just pretending. On October 01 2012 01:33 kingjames01 wrote: What? I didn't say that it was contrived. I said it seemed contrived. The point was that it seemed contrived. And his "interrogation" of shady sands, which I don't clearly see the purpose of: On October 01 2012 11:39 kingjames01 wrote: So what we're shifting towards is whether Shady's 'plan' to preempt trolling was legitimate or a cover-up? That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete. Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why. One more thing that I don't like is VisceraEyes's case history. Spends a billion posts tunneling annul, based on a "trying to spot clues" (?) read. Then suddenly feels that his emotions got the better of him, and reconsiders. Which is funny, because VE started the attacks. It's not like he was attacked and got emotinal. -snip- At this point I'm null - I got a false read on him early on, and while I think his anger at me seems a little contrived, I know I've overreacted once or twice to people calling my posts stupid or something. Once that I remember for sure. Maybe twice. I've seen him play scum. He's pretty terrifying and that may have biased my read earlier. Then in this post: On October 01 2012 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: @slOosh Shady is an intelligent guy. Poor play isn't something I'd use to write Shady off. I mean, he's not super awesome like me, but he's good enough to know that what he's doing is newb shit which means it has to be intentional. And while it's possible that he's being straight up with the whole "Oh you know, I wanted to martyr myself to the mod as an example", I tend to think that he's just trying get out of hot water before he's in it, so to speak...which is a scum trait. In fact, ##Vote: ShadySands Going MIA after making shitty accusations and troll entrance is like...strike three for me. @Everyone else I find nothing scummy about KJ's input on scumhunting in an inactivish environment. If that's all he's got, then we'll talk. As it stands though, that one singular post is better than the several who haven't posted at all. That being said, the whole "seemed contrived/was contrived" nonsense does need clarification. @KJ "...seemed contrived" is the same thing as "was contrived" in the context of analyzing behavior. If you're town, then if something "seems contrived" then that's suspicious because townies have no reason to fake it. Saying something that X said "seems contrived" means the same thing as "It looks to me like X is faking his reaction" - do you not understand how someone would get defensive about that? And then trying to paint it scummy (Y U DEFENSIVE) on top of that makes it seem like you're trying to set him up. Ultimately, you're after meaningful contribution and you have provided none. There's stuff going on in the game worth commenting on, and presently you're not. I'm willing to lynch into ShadySands, kingjames01 as it stands. We really need more content from everyone though. He finally addresses shady sands and proposes to vote on him. Now look at how he addresses kingjames. In this same post, he goes from a "not a scum read", to a "someone I want dead". At first I thought it was understandable because he was referring specifically to KJ's input on scumhunting in an inactivish environment. However, it's the bolded underlined part that gets to me. What I understood here is that if KJ only had the one post, he would be better than those who haven't posted at all. But then he goes to say that KJ is not commenting on stuff going on in the game (when, ironically, he himself had only just addressed shady sands, which is the first big issue) plus a bunch of other confusing stuff I don't follow, thus putting KJ as a bigger scum read than the rest. I'd like him to clarify this. This concludes the people I don't like so far. Out of those, VE seems the scummiest to me, because his play doesn't make sense for me from a town perspective, his conflict with annul seemed too fake. ##FOS VE | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 01 2012 12:37 kushm4sta wrote: @keirathi Why is parking my vote on someone I don't think is scum a good idea? It's only a good idea in the beginning of the game when i don't think anyone is scum and have 0 scumreads on everyone. As for your second question, a vote has an innate power no matter how you use it. If someone has enough at the end of the day they die. If you use it to pressure it is like an exclamation point at the end of your argument, and that is something that will be ignored by any level headed scum. Why is it a good idea in the beginning of the game? You still didn't explain that. If you don't have a scumread, why are you voting for someone at all? Your goal as a townie is lynch scum, not to settle some dispute from a past game. "Because he has a history of being mean to me" is literally the worst reason for a vote that I've ever heard. And yes, your vote has the innate power of being a factor in the lynch. But it has way more than that. And no, a level headed scum isn't going to ignore a case+vote on him, at least if its not a totally bullshit case+vote. He'll squash the case before it gains momentum. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Disclaimer: I am not familiar with either's meta. Also how VE backs off anull almost like he is scared and withdraws his vote. Just doesn't seem like the town thing to do. Goes from calling anull a little bitch to acting like one himself. Inconsistent behavior and I would like to lynch either VE or anull. ##FOS VE | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On October 01 2012 13:02 Shady Sands wrote: k just got back from ryder cup and assorted festivities. have time to read through thread. yeah. Lynch this guy. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 01 2012 13:02 Shady Sands wrote: k just got back from ryder cup and assorted festivities. have time to read through thread. ##unvote ##vote shady sands | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Reasoning? | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow. How is that a lie, Marv? I explicitly said I was trolling even though on the very first page DrH told GRush to eff off for presumed trolliness. I knew this was going to get me a high chance of being modkilled. But given that there are people who are possibly smurfing for others here, there's still a risk that trolls are here, so I wanted to play that way to make sure no one dared to troll... or at least I could abuse tolerance for trolls to the same extent as others. Now reading through filters | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote: I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. | ||
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