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On October 01 2012 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I know you as scum tend to give town more information than they need.
citation needed
On October 01 2012 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
So when I see you making assumptions about the game based on the daypost (clues or no, what you did wasn't speculating).
it was SO specific and SO obvious that the mod literally had to come in and clarify that he did not intend to drop down clues of such significance. so, yeah, it isnt "speculation" with clues so blatantly obvious that DH has to say they are not clues.
On October 01 2012 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, I voted for you.
in the exact same post you say "im not gonna lynch you" and then you vote me. this is so clearly inconsistent that a FoS would be more than justified.
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This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now.
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On my phone until about ten tonight most likely. Read through and don't remember who but someone called out someone for voting Shady for the reason I voted Shady but not me. Why was it sketchy for him but not me? That doesn't make sense.
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On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote:
This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now.
Thats why i would like to lynch the nuke guy. come in to thread and says he wants to lynch someone and leaves. So do you think he is scum like i do?
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anul seems so angry for no reason. that's how I act when I'm mafia.
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On October 01 2012 06:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote:
This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now. Thats why i would like to lynch the nuke guy. come in to thread and says he wants to lynch someone and leaves. So do you think he is scum like i do?
Well I've played with risk a couple times and he plays the more hands off approach as town. He takes his time with things and doesn't care what people think if he thinks he is right. At the same time he can be totally lazy so you have to wait for him to generate content then evaluate what he brings. Cf. PYP3, Poison Mini Mafia, Beauracracy and Dwarf Mini (town, scum town respective). So right now I'm null on him.
What is your take on kush? Easy mislynch or newbie scum?
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On October 01 2012 07:08 kushm4sta wrote:
anul seems so angry for no reason. that's how I act when I'm mafia.
Could you clarify on the "no reason" part?
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Played a whooping one newbie game with Kush, but he fits his Town meta pretty well so far in my opinion.
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On October 01 2012 07:43 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 06:18 iamperfection wrote:On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote:
This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now.Thats why i would like to lynch the nuke guy. come in to thread and says he wants to lynch someone and leaves. So do you think he is scum like i do? Well I've played with risk a couple times and he plays the more hands off approach as town. He takes his time with things and doesn't care what people think if he thinks he is right. At the same time he can be totally lazy so you have to wait for him to generate content then evaluate what he brings. Cf. PYP3, Poison Mini Mafia, Beauracracy and Dwarf Mini (town, scum town respective). So right now I'm null on him. What is your take on kush? Easy mislynch or newbie scum?
i obsed his two last games(He rolled scum i both). i would say hes a bit ...unstable.
however he slips a lot and has many break downs in logic in his scum games that i saw. If he is scum he will slip eventually.
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On October 01 2012 07:51 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 07:43 slOosh wrote:On October 01 2012 06:18 iamperfection wrote:On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote:
This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now.Thats why i would like to lynch the nuke guy. come in to thread and says he wants to lynch someone and leaves. So do you think he is scum like i do? Well I've played with risk a couple times and he plays the more hands off approach as town. He takes his time with things and doesn't care what people think if he thinks he is right. At the same time he can be totally lazy so you have to wait for him to generate content then evaluate what he brings. Cf. PYP3, Poison Mini Mafia, Beauracracy and Dwarf Mini (town, scum town respective). So right now I'm null on him. What is your take on kush? Easy mislynch or newbie scum? i obsed his two last games(He rolled scum i both). i would say hes a bit ...unstable. however he slips a lot and has many break downs in logic in his scum games that i saw. If he is scum he will slip eventually.
He has those same break downs in logic as town too. I think the difference is his attitude. But he's aware of how his attitude changes when he rolls scum (he commented on it a few posts up), so he could potentially change it.
For now, I don't think he is scummy.
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Anul getting mad for no reason:
not completely no reason but actually for a very small reason. Someone said he was acting like a little bitch. Who would really get mad at this?
I don't know his meta at all though so maybe he is just an uptight mafia player?
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On September 30 2012 13:41 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless Because no one ever punishes Chez or Kushm4sta or YourHarry or GRush or BM for it why should i play the game seriously when i end up getting mislynched or shot anyways, even AHEAD OF THE OBVIOUS FUCKING NON CONTRIBUTORY TROLLING IDIOTS =)
ffs learn to troll noob.
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Anyway: FoS kingjames
He starts off by coming into the game with this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2012 00:19 kingjames01 wrote:I was mafia in a DrH game where there were clues. As mafia, I spent the entire game speculating on what the clues meant and who they were pointing to rather than to actually hunt for spies. The Town got caught up in it and we ended up winning the game with some false claims. I want this game to focus on scum hunting and not rely on the crutch of sifting through possible clues. We should be aware of any players who encourage using time and effort on scum hunting via clues. That being said, I'm going to quote some posts so I don't lose them. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:46 Keirathi wrote:
You know what game you played well in?
I'll give you a hint: we were masons together.
Now, why did you play well that game? Because you were confirmed town status? No. You played well because you listened to BH about how a townie should think and act. Go back and read your conversations with him, please for the love of god.
Otherwise I'm completely fine with voting you if DrH doesn't plan to modkill or replace you. Because I honestly don't want to put up with that shit for the whole game. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.
Also I'm not a fan of his content. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:On September 30 2012 22:30 Kreb wrote:
@kush
You still didnt reply to what you dont like about Shadys content. I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam. They're not proof of alignment yet, but they give off a scummy stench.
A bit of a random recap from his other game and following it up with just general statements about how we should play without really saying anything which helps us move forward in our scumhunting.
Then quotes a few just "to not lose them" (?????) and saying they're scummy completely without motivation.
He then goes on by, as marv put it, "take a lead in the Wiffly Waffly Awards" seemingly wanting to get out of the discussion or anything which can put him in trouble.
And finally this:
On October 01 2012 03:17 kingjames01 wrote:
If we want lurkers to post more, then we all have to contribute meaningfully. This will force scum to come out of hiding in order to fit in. They're going to try to post from the perspective that they're Town but it's pretty hard to do so.
At that point we can work on who actually cares about scum hunting and who is just pretending.
Which, like the first post, is extremely general and wishy washy without really contributing to scum hunting, while also trying to take a light jab at the lurkers. Also note that lurkers hasnt been a point of discussion so far, so it wasnt like he was joining an already existing conversation, but he phrases it like "if we want lurkers to post more" like if that had been something we had tried to get done or which had already been up for discussion. Even if it had been a discussion, its all just a big "Guys, scum is gonna try to blend in, we really need try our best because then we'll be able to catch them much more easily!!!!" - post, which really says absolutely nothing.
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I'll add that moving the discussion more towards lurkers obviosuly doesnt have to be a scummy thing to do, but if thats what he wanted he should have been clear about that. And he should have said he wanted to pressure lurkers/stop lurkers from lurking/lynch lurkers or whatever he would have been trying to accomplish. The way he phrased it seems more like he's trying to shift the discussion in that direction without really doing anything himself, which to me seem a bit scummy to me.
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Kreb, kj post about lurkers was in response to a post I made, asking what stops mafia from hiding among the lurkers.
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On October 01 2012 08:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Kreb, kj post about lurkers was in response to a post I made, asking what stops mafia from hiding among the lurkers.
Ok, I can see it being related to that. So maybe a bit bad on my part there.
Though you're talking more about just how it works in general with lurkers in a big game where he talks more about how to up lurker posting quantity. And while somewhat related, he isnt really answering question in any way.
But as i said, even if it wasnt an honest attempt at replying to your post, its just an extremely general "Guys, scum is gonna try to blend in, we really need try our best because then we'll be able to catch them much more easily!!!!" - post.
I'll take into account it might have been an honest reply to you though.
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Yo annul
Telling town you got hit in XVIII comes to mind in regard to you giving town information they don't need...though, that's subjective because as you claimed then, it was something you'd have done as town.
Regarding the day post, again - your answer is sufficient mainly because of how subjective the circumstances. Like, I didn't take "clues" to mean anything about the setup because we got all the information about the roles I assumed we were going to get (their names). Taken with DrH's warning about our profiles and I took the clues to specifically pertain to the players. However, you obviously interpreted that differently.
And as far as ad hominem attacks go, I didn't call you a little bitch. I said you acted as a little bitch would act in saying you could FoS me if you wanted to and be totally justified in doing so, but you didn't FoS me. It was a description of your post, not of you personally. I know you're not a little bitch, I've played with you before. And you've played with me before and you know I don't think you're a little bitch. So can we just not please?
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@marv
I have played with annul before. Once that I can remember. We went almost all-in as scum together and Jackal came from behind and won it for us with an extra vote in XVIII. If we've played together as town, I can't remember it.
At this point I'm null - I got a false read on him early on, and while I think his anger at me seems a little contrived, I know I've overreacted once or twice to people calling my posts stupid or something. Once that I remember for sure. Maybe twice.
I've seen him play scum. He's pretty terrifying and that may have biased my read earlier.
I'd like to hear more from ShadySands as well, but I'd like you to elaborate on your suspicion of him. I know why I'm suspicious of him, and I'm not sure if it's for the same reason as you.
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##unvote
##vote annul
contrived anger
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EPT
