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@slOosh
Shady is an intelligent guy. Poor play isn't something I'd use to write Shady off. I mean, he's not super awesome like me, but he's good enough to know that what he's doing is newb shit which means it has to be intentional. And while it's possible that he's being straight up with the whole "Oh you know, I wanted to martyr myself to the mod as an example", I tend to think that he's just trying get out of hot water before he's in it, so to speak...which is a scum trait.
In fact,
##Vote: ShadySands
Going MIA after making shitty accusations and troll entrance is like...strike three for me.
@Everyone else
I find nothing scummy about KJ's input on scumhunting in an inactivish environment. If that's all he's got, then we'll talk. As it stands though, that one singular post is better than the several who haven't posted at all.
That being said, the whole "seemed contrived/was contrived" nonsense does need clarification.
@KJ
"...seemed contrived" is the same thing as "was contrived" in the context of analyzing behavior. If you're town, then if something "seems contrived" then that's suspicious because townies have no reason to fake it. Saying something that X said "seems contrived" means the same thing as "It looks to me like X is faking his reaction" - do you not understand how someone would get defensive about that? And then trying to paint it scummy (Y U DEFENSIVE) on top of that makes it seem like you're trying to set him up.
Ultimately, you're after meaningful contribution and you have provided none. There's stuff going on in the game worth commenting on, and presently you're not.
I'm willing to lynch into ShadySands, kingjames01 as it stands. We really need more content from everyone though.
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Kind of frustrating that we're halfway through D1 and half the people haven't even posted.
Anyways, regarding Shady and KJ:
On September 30 2012 13:41 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless Because no one ever punishes Chez or Kushm4sta or YourHarry or GRush or BM for it why should i play the game seriously when i end up getting mislynched or shot anyways, even AHEAD OF THE OBVIOUS FUCKING NON CONTRIBUTORY TROLLING IDIOTS =)
He wants to troll to buy a free-ride through the game because he thinks that's automatically why those players make it to endgame.
I don't buy that it was a gambit to get a mod to threaten trolling.
That said, I'm hesitant to jump on the bandwagon because its so...easy. Which is ironic, because THATS the reason that people like BM and grush make it to endgame. Not because they troll, but because lynching them is the easy way out for scum when they are town.
As far as KJ, I just want to say that I wasn't even getting defensive. I was legitimately trying to figure out his thinking, and explain myself. That he got defensive to my questions, and then decided on a wishy-washy stance rather than taking a firm opinion and trying to explain himself make me question his motives. Just throwing mud out for the sake of appearing like he was contributing?
For now: ##Vote: kingjame01
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About shady, I'm not seeing the scum motivation behind his troll show. It doesn't make any sense from a troll perspective and it does make sense from an annoyed townie perspective.
If you look at the trolling more closely you can see seeds of his plan within the all caps nonsense.
I read it as the actions of someone who was fed up with trolls and didn't really want to play this game
His absence supports this read.
No doubt the mod pmed him, a little slap on his wrist. But it would sting to someone with such a sense of self importance on this webisite. That's part of why he hasn't come back.
Town read on shady.
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edwop it doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective
not troll perspective
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The scum motivation is that he feels trolling could buy him a free ride to the endgame because it has for people like grush/BM/YH/you (although I disagree with you being lumped in with those guys) in the past.
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On October 01 2012 10:38 Keirathi wrote:
The scum motivation is that he feels trolling could buy him a free ride to the endgame because it has for people like grush/BM/YH/you (although I disagree with you being lumped in with those guys) in the past.
Do you honestly think scum shady would use that terrible plan?
The nature of his trolling was obvious unsustainable throughout the game.
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On October 01 2012 10:25 Keirathi wrote:Kind of frustrating that we're halfway through D1 and half the people haven't even posted. Anyways, regarding Shady and KJ: Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:41 Shady Sands wrote:On September 30 2012 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless Because no one ever punishes Chez or Kushm4sta or YourHarry or GRush or BM for it why should i play the game seriously when i end up getting mislynched or shot anyways, even AHEAD OF THE OBVIOUS FUCKING NON CONTRIBUTORY TROLLING IDIOTS =) He wants to troll to buy a free-ride through the game because he thinks that's automatically why those players make it to endgame. I don't buy that it was a gambit to get a mod to threaten trolling. That said, I'm hesitant to jump on the bandwagon because its so...easy. Which is ironic, because THATS the reason that people like BM and grush make it to endgame. Not because they troll, but because lynching them is the easy way out for scum when they are town.As far as KJ, I just want to say that I wasn't even getting defensive. I was legitimately trying to figure out his thinking, and explain myself. That he got defensive to my questions, and then decided on a wishy-washy stance rather than taking a firm opinion and trying to explain himself make me question his motives. Just throwing mud out for the sake of appearing like he was contributing? For now: ##Vote: kingjame01
Yes it is ironic, because it's preventing you voting for him. Mission successful on you at least then? It's the inherent 'too scummy to be scum' defence which is bleh.
VE's post at the top of this page mostly covers my thoughts on both Shady and KJ. With kingjames, the general wishy washyness isn't *so* bad in general except for the fact that he just lumped those quotes in the thread in the first place. If you're not willing to uphold why you're doing so, it's just insidious suspicion placing.
With Shady, what I really really dislike is the bullshit after-the-fact explanation for his actions. It just reads as a lie trying to justify the dumb play in the first place. I've seen several instances of scum trying to justify shit after the fact... Kei, i think you were in that game with talis and his 'reads' plan where he was scum? On top of this is his absence from the thread afterwards. If you're seriously making a point about how trolling is bad (...) then at best it's completely hypocritcal to disappear without actually then providing any content.
Your response to it, Kei, is validation of Shady playing like that. Boo!
##Vote: Shady Sands
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On September 30 2012 23:18 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 23:11 Keirathi wrote:On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:On September 30 2012 22:30 Kreb wrote:
@kush
You still didnt reply to what you dont like about Shadys content. I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam. SO ALL CAPS = SCUM? I don't follow your logic. That's why I said policy lynch not scum lynch. And yeah I realize this is a contradiction from saying top scumread gets vote but I don't have a top scumread so it goes to a policy vote. Also making too big of a deal of this, but I am happy to entertain any and all questions nevertheless.
@Kush I've been looking over your stance on Shady in the early game and it was all over the place. Culminating in this which mirrors what you initially said. Here is my chain on your changing reasons for voting shady:
Policy/called you a troll==> called you a troll/mean ==> scum ==> he is spamming ==> policy.
What ai can draw is that you initially disliked his content for being spammy but voted for him mostly because he called you a troll (which in reality you are known for). At some point you mentioned scum read, but you say that was a mistake. Why didn't you just stick with a policy on Shady as opposed to putting a bunch of reasons that you didn't really believe i the first place?
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P.S. GUISE! Am I the only one who wants to use the voting thread?!
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On October 01 2012 10:42 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 10:38 Keirathi wrote:
The scum motivation is that he feels trolling could buy him a free ride to the endgame because it has for people like grush/BM/YH/you (although I disagree with you being lumped in with those guys) in the past. Do you honestly think scum shady would use that terrible plan? The nature of his trolling was obvious unsustainable throughout the game.
What you're implying is that town Shady would use that terrible plan, which is basically the same difference.
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On October 01 2012 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. GUISE! Am I the only one who wants to use the voting thread?!
There's a voting thread? News to me :o
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On October 01 2012 10:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 10:25 Keirathi wrote:Kind of frustrating that we're halfway through D1 and half the people haven't even posted. Anyways, regarding Shady and KJ: On September 30 2012 13:41 Shady Sands wrote:On September 30 2012 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless Because no one ever punishes Chez or Kushm4sta or YourHarry or GRush or BM for it why should i play the game seriously when i end up getting mislynched or shot anyways, even AHEAD OF THE OBVIOUS FUCKING NON CONTRIBUTORY TROLLING IDIOTS =) He wants to troll to buy a free-ride through the game because he thinks that's automatically why those players make it to endgame. I don't buy that it was a gambit to get a mod to threaten trolling. That said, I'm hesitant to jump on the bandwagon because its so...easy. Which is ironic, because THATS the reason that people like BM and grush make it to endgame. Not because they troll, but because lynching them is the easy way out for scum when they are town.As far as KJ, I just want to say that I wasn't even getting defensive. I was legitimately trying to figure out his thinking, and explain myself. That he got defensive to my questions, and then decided on a wishy-washy stance rather than taking a firm opinion and trying to explain himself make me question his motives. Just throwing mud out for the sake of appearing like he was contributing? For now: ##Vote: kingjame01 Yes it is ironic, because it's preventing you voting for him. Mission successful on you at least then? It's the inherent 'too scummy to be scum' defence which is bleh. VE's post at the top of this page mostly covers my thoughts on both Shady and KJ. With kingjames, the general wishy washyness isn't *so* bad in general except for the fact that he just lumped those quotes in the thread in the first place. If you're not willing to uphold why you're doing so, it's just insidious suspicion placing. With Shady, what I really really dislike is the bullshit after-the-fact explanation for his actions. It just reads as a lie trying to justify the dumb play in the first place. I've seen several instances of scum trying to justify shit after the fact... Kei, i think you were in that game with talis and his 'reads' plan where he was scum? On top of this is his absence from the thread afterwards. If you're seriously making a point about how trolling is bad (...) then at best it's completely hypocritcal to disappear without actually then providing any content. Your response to it, Kei, is validation of Shady playing like that. Boo! ##Vote: Shady Sands
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On October 01 2012 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. GUISE! Am I the only one who wants to use the voting thread?!
Yeah I dont wanna here any of this I never actually voted in the thread shit.
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Also why does it feel like half the game didn't get their role PMs or something. Where the deuce is everybody?
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Bleh, misclick. EBWOP: Yes, I realize that his behavior is actually accomplishing his goal, at least with me. I will say I have a hard time deciding when super-scummy play is actually scummy or just bad town play (hint: look at my IRC logs with marv in the post-game of Dwarf Fortress).
And yea, I was in Not Themed, where talis proposed his "Make a case on 3 people day1" plan. But I didn't think that was "too scummy to be scum", I just thought it was a bad plan. The fact that he proposed the same plan in multiple games of either alignment reaffirmed that to me. And in the end, I was wrong about him being scum.
Maybe I'm just bad :o
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yeah, the too scummy to be scum and the justifying bad plans thing were discrete points ^^
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Catching up now. DrH I really needed a bit more warning this was starting, -_- I work primarily mornings and did not realize my plans tonight would get in the way of this game.
From what I have seen so far, mafia must be having a field day with this thread.
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On September 30 2012 21:06 mkfuba07 wrote:Hi guys. Didn't expect the game to start tonight, and I'm heading to bed soon, but I thought I'd poke my head in. To elaborate a bit more on what I'm changing about my play (which I know I probably should have mentioned beforehand), I'm going to be posting more off the top of my head, without spending hours thinking about my posts and ultimately deciding not to post anything. Hopefully this will result in more posts, giving more insight into what I'm thinking. I'm mentioning this because (hopefully) this will be different than my previous meta, and it'll be easier to address it now than later. Aside from the trolling thing, which he said he was going to do before the game started, Shady just seems like Shady to me. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.
Also I'm not a fan of his content. What exactly don't you like about his content? So far your vote seems pretty empty.
I thought you were going to be posting more?
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Shady Sands seems to be similar in popularity to the Mattchew lynch from last game (mafia LVII)
However I see a major difference like no major scumslip. Also given that near everyone seems content on him being a choice (although no real major voting), I am not inclined to lynch him until he posts more to get a better read.
I would however like to see more from (surprise) Mattchew at this moment.
Given his ballsy play last game, and the fact that my experience with him is that he is slightly more confident a player, I am not very impressed with his current play this game. It feels too underwhelming from my experience with him. If I am wrong I do apologize on this, but he has only really justified the behaviour of Shady, and asked people for their opinions.
Not a lot to go on, and very non commital.
I would like to see more posting from both these players, as well as seeing a more from sloosh and marvel so I can solidify a read on them.
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