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Nice of you to emerge from lurking as soon as your name is mentioned.
Can you explain to me the relevance of your picture?
I know it's insulting me but I don't what the insult is.
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closer look at z-boson leading up to d1 lynch
On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
Omfg austin really loves me.
I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more.
You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective.
Right now you just seem desperate.
I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again.
This whole post is overly defensive, and defensive in the wrong ways.
1 He says he is just going to ignore austin. Austin's attacks have been very light up to thos point though. He says he is going to ignore them like they are some constant thing that is interfering with his scumhunting. Scum zboson says this line in order to make himself look like he isn't being overdefensive and cares primarily about scumhunting.
2 He tries to discredit austin's suspicions with a weak meta read based purely on omgus.
More on z boson incoming. Making big posts on your phone is a major bitch.
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stfu prom.. its coming. currently almost done in another tab. you should realize that 1 I'm at work so sometimes I have to do shit. 2 I'm on my phone so making cases with quotes is a bitch and 3 this case is fucking epic long.
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zboson's overreliance on meta, except when scum needs him to change his vote. Then meta is worthless.
On October 01 2012 22:27 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't know coag, and I don't know VE.
On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2.
[...]
Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch.
He references coags and shadys meta.
On October 01 2012 23:09 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@marv
Yea his not making a single case yet with no followup for his vote on me is definitely suspicious. In XXIV he was all over the place. I don't like how most of the votes on him are based solely on the trolliness, which is an entirely different saspect.
Kush is another player that is heavily scummy, and he has a very hard time making cases when he's scum, so I'd rather wait a bit before taking a stance on him.
another reference to shadys meta. a reference to my meta.
On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective.
Right now you just seem desperate.
]/spoiler]
a reference to austins meta
On October 02 2012 11:06 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
That being said, regarding Node, I'm definitely up for it.
BC's meta on kj has softened my feel towards KJ, and Node's one post to AWOL is very scum-like.
a reference to kjs meta
On October 02 2012 12:02 Z-BosoN wrote: + Show Spoiler +
Also, I can't find a good lynch target, so I'm viewing this mostly as a policy lynch.
KJ still seems pretty damn scummy to me, but like BC pointed out, that's meta-consistent. (Right now in Day 1 I'm putting a lot of faith on what people are saying regarding meta. For example, I would rather lynch coag due to his shit posting, but apparently it's just the way he plays)
He mentions kjs meta again and speaks to the importance of meta in d1 reads. Then he mentions coags meta again as the reason he won't vote for him.
On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
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##Unvote
##Vote Coagulation
So this is his reasoning for dropping node for coag. Suddenly, after primarily basing his reads on meta, he decides aw hell with meta, I'm going to vote for this scummy looking guy who has no chance of being lynched.
@zboson Please explain why you suddenly decided to not give a shit about meta after treating it like your bible.
Especially since later you continue to make meta a large part of your reads.
Here is you being sheeping on shiaopi due to JUST meta:
Here's you
On October 04 2012 11:55 Z-BosoN wrote:[spoiler] Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote:On October 04 2012 00:07 ShiaoPi wrote:On October 04 2012 00:05 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Read thread plox cool story bro Extremely cool, because it means you're scum. ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does. His statement: On October 03 2012 23:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
There is still KP missing I think.
Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol)
I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot.
Austin got shot and was saved.
So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games) isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction. I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this: On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote:okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so: mkfuba07:First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch.
Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them.
My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. is awfully close to + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin:
- he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents.
So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention)
- the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us
- that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time.
If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now
##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote:What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:29 austinmcc wrote:Man I missed a fun night.On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.
Also I'm not a fan of his content. Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand. + Show Spoiler +I think we should lynch BM24... On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote:
game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote
Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window.
As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain?
Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone.
##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities...
I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again.
Not sure if this will do anything, but:
##Unvote
##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:30 austinmcc wrote:
mkfuba, what is your read on Node? How do you view annul's actions before the lynch? I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba?
On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town? The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie". One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is. This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress, and since I've called you out you've posted even less. Unless you want to be vigied at best you should respond properly to this ##FoS This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play.
k prom is getting impatient so I'm gonna wrap this up but look at his filter.
His next post is some thoughts about my meta.
Then he makes the wishy washiest "I suspect him but I don't" case on splooge. Guess what?? It references his meta with a link to some random past game.
hard ##fos zboson
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@prom
So you, me and darth are the only ones still playing? And darth is so tunnelvisioned on me it seems like he can't even think about anything else.
Why risk over Matt? Well.honestly I haven't done a lot of thinking about either. However your case on Risk made sense to me while your case on Matt is more like trust me, I know this guy.
I read Matt's filter and I find anything.
Regarding my sudden improvement in play: You should realize that I'm very active even if I don't have anything to add or have time to try to figure things out. I am on my phone, reading the thread, posting whatever I feel like saying, agreeing or disagreeing with cases. That is what I've been doing.
To people who say this or that about my meta, realize that this is only my third game as town. And the first shouldn't even count it was so bad.
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On October 08 2012 02:21 Promethelax wrote:
hey, open question to anyone who is town. Look at the day posts, look at the kill flavours. What do you notice? After you figure it out we should talk about this. Seriously.
I don't notice anything. You do know that there are no clues anymore.
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@hapa
+ Show Spoiler +romney doesn't want to cut taxes he said that like a million times
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hi risk did you read my posts about z.boson so you think he's scummy?
or are you just here to bitch out scum?
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@bc imo you should read around day1 lynch with the extra information that node is scum.
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I keep refreshing hoping that a post that's not that ^ will be there
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@coag do you still want to lynch bc even though he kind of returned and has an excuse?
Do you still think zboson is town? If yes then why do you disagree with my case?
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Wait so VE you LIED about suspecting coag to catch scum? Seems dumb. Seems scum.
I am retracting my soft defense of you.
##FOS VE
(I know you're scared)
I just had a really important realization.
I just realized that good mafia players who role scum might be playing bad because they are afraid of paramedics.
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bc is scum. bc lied about getting shot. zboson is also scum. ve is also scum.
these are my current thoughts.
##unfos coag
Case later.
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On October 08 2012 19:15 Kreb wrote:I've got a what I would call pretty strong town read on BC so almost no chance I'll be supporting any case on him. And its not because of his pretty contributory posts, which I dont doubt he'd be able to do as scum too. Why then? Because of this: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2012 04:41 Kreb wrote:On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic. Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction. Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia. Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it). I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side. You're not making sense. The Node push makes no sense from a mafia distraction point of view because Shady was a townie heading inexorably for the lynch. It's in these situations mafia are usually happy to sit back as town happily hops on to the townie wagon. On Node: tell me, does his posting look like he cares for town? iamperfection pointed it out perfectly earlier: When Node was at great risk of being lynched, did he come in to drop reads and shit? No, he came in to call town stupid, and then promptly left again without making any reads or anything. How are you reading this as townie? You also, presumably from your attitude, find his defence of Shady townie. How? Want to talk about your connection stuff a little. You don't even realise how strongly you're doing it, or how it's affecting how you think. We have: On October 02 2012 08:23 Kreb wrote:
Anyway, time to put down my vote. Disregarding the first trio (kush/kj/shady) which Ive said Im not feeling too good about.
-snip-
Austin on the other hand indeed had a pretty bad reason to vote for KJ. And his obsession with the spy comment seem a bit..... out of place. Cant say Im feeling super convinced about this either considering how early it is into the game and the length of peoples filters, but meh, gotta place my vote somewhere.
As such: ##Vote austinmcc
You place your vote on him and you're not sure at all. Your very next post goes into theories about the Node wagon and how it looked and how it makes austin look much worse (which I think I've helped establish that it doesn't really). So you, yourself, never actually had strong feelings on austin if the quote above is true, until you started ladeling Node/austin/me/VE/wagon stuff on top of it. This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each. Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself. However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading. In regards to the lynch yesterday. Not sure how shady was lynched, thought we had passed that when I was active in the thread yesterday. Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way. Why do you ask? Because node had so very few posts and was easy to cherry pick. The case was also poor on him given the fact that well, its node. The only thing that speaks badly about his posting thus far is the lack of it. Making odd posts like he has is very typical of his play regardless of alignment, and the biggest tell is his lack of involvement in the game. Rather then making a case on his posts someone should have brought up the fact that a veteran player had made such few and weird looking posts as the main tell over his one sentence on his why he thought shady wasn't scum. I am back for most of the night so I will go through the thread to make sure I can get more info out given that I have a horrible trend of dying day 1's these days. Context: I presented my thought in the Node wagon and the conclusions from it. Marv entered a discussion with me to discredit me/my case and to deny any support of it. He probably did a pretty good job of it actually since I wasnt really getting much support, although it was during an inactive part of the day. In comes BC and drops the fact that Marvs reasoning was flawed. Now, why the fuck would you do that as scum? Unless its some really deep plan behind it, if you're marvs scum buddy at that time you stfu and hope Marvs arguing gets support from the masses while I get discredited.
OMG scum disagreeing with each other in the thread??? That NEVER happens! /sarcasm
This is a really stupid reason to assume BC is town IMO.
The points you brought up, kreb, were not important enough for all scum to discredit in unison.
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On October 09 2012 03:08 Mattchew wrote:
hey guys sorry i missed the last 2 days. was away from home all weekend
I buy it. Corroborated by the other game he's in.
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On October 09 2012 04:04 Mementoss wrote:
guys i am back
What were you talking about with "suboptimal play"?
Also wtf is wrong with canadians having thanksgiving this early
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BC lied about being shot n1.
Why? Because there are only 2 medics.
There is no medic in this game other than paramedic (see role list)
d2
austin claim shot and prot
bc claim shot and prot
marv prot by risen
So this should indicate that there are 3 medics. I do not believe that is the case because 1) Any more than 2 would be pretty OP. 2) day 3.
d3
hapa prot by mkfuba
NO CLAIMS
We have no more medics.
If there was another medic, why wouldn't the person they protected claim?
D2 mkfuba protected austin.
A kp got blocked when VE was rb.
BC took the blocked kp as a opportunity to claim he was shot and protected.
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OK so about my last post this makes sense... He didn't lie about being shot he lied about being medicd.
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Momentoss you think I'm scum because I knew something was up with BC without reasoning.
I give the reason (thankfully seconds before your claim).
Now I'm scum because I'm trying to get towncred?? huh
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I do not agree with VEs doubt that momentoss might be scum.
I think he is completely telling the truth. It perfectly explains my theory.
So another 2 days with an obvious lynch target....so cool.
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