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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 05 2012 17:57 GMT
#981
Vote Count!

If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote.


debears (1) - Djodref, Djodref, Z-Boson
Omniscient4983 (1) - RemedySC, Djodref, Sonic Death Monkey, Z-Boson
Z-Boson (1) - Shady Sands
Djodref (2) - Z-Boson, debears

Not Voting (3) - Stutters695, Omniscient4983, Sonic Death Monkey

With 8 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Currently, nobody is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 2 hours left to vote! Deadline is at 20:00 GMT (+00:00)
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:03 GMT
#982
I just finished reading his filter and I basically found same case I posted n1 and then him all acting indecisive today. Fuck, I don't know, these last minutes switches make me uneasy. I was starting to get more of town vibe from him until today.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:06 GMT
#983
On October 06 2012 02:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
The number of votes needed to lynch is 4. If Stutters and/or Omni don't show up, they will be modkilled.


Oh, Omni will probably get modkilled anyway and Stutters is back. Yeah, I think it makes sense to vote Djo.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:07 GMT
#984
##Vote Djodref
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:12 GMT
#985
Meh, I still like Omni better though. What if he comes back back, how many are willing to switch?

##Unvote
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:13 GMT
#986
How many will still be around?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#987
If omni comes back, I will vote switch to him
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#988
Ok guys, I'm sorry for being such a bad player but I really don't want to get mislynch.

Here is the trump card I was talking about: I claim cop !

I have breadcrumbed it here

On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk

For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis.


FLIC means COP in French. You can look it up. I have been checking Remedy N1 and Shady N2. I've breadcrumbed both intent to check and results on the following posts. I've got "Not Suspicious" on both of them.

On October 01 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
@debears

Well I would disagree about sheeping. Nobody so far has pointed out the defense you got from kush and the posts where he implies that you are his scumbuddy.
So why do you think kush was defending you ?

@everyone

Before going to bed, I would like to state that my guess for the scumteam is now debears/alsn. I think Z-BosoN has the right of it. I'm asking for a vig shot on debears !

Also Remedy is too much of a lurker. I don't think we are going to encounter lylo or mylo situations in this game but I hope that we can get something of him before this...




The result if here

On October 01 2012 10:03 Djodref wrote:
Remedy

It's good to get something from you ! Welcome back to town
+ Show Spoiler +

@debears

Thanks for finally answering my questions about the way kush treated you in his post. You seemed very reluctant to do it.

On October 01 2012 03:04 debears wrote:
@Djo

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
@debears

Well I would disagree about sheeping. Nobody so far has pointed out the defense you got from kush and the posts where he implies that you are his scumbuddy.
So why do you think kush was defending you ?


@everyone

Before going to bed, I would like to state that my guess for the scumteam is now debears/alsn. I think Z-BosoN has the right of it. I'm asking for a vig shot on debears !

Also Remedy is too much of a lurker. I don't think we are going to encounter lylo or mylo situations in this game but I hope that we can get something of him before this...




You have been sheeping. Look at SDM's case on you

Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 22:03 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
And to clarify a couple of things about my case on Djo now that I'm up to date on the thread:

1. Latching on to others reads: As newbie scum it's really hard to make original cases. I had first hand experience Cubu and Imcasey in XXVI. The only case Imcasey could make was against our scum buddy Xatalos (that's quite easy because he knew he was scum). We had a similar situation with Debears in XXVII, at least in the beginning where the only case he could make was a defense of Thrawn, which is easy to do because he knew knew he was town (well, he flipped SK, but Debears couldn't know).

2. How can anyone buy into Kush's defense that easily? A newbie town is usually very suspcicious and it was a really silly defense, at the very best null. Using "player" and "people" sounds awkward? How isn't that an obvious lie?

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote:
2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use.
Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro.


As for the other lurkers, I don't find Remedy suspicious, rather the opposite although his post count is still low. Nothing really stuck out to me the same way Djo did when reading Omn's and Corrosion's filter.


Also, the reason why no one is addressing kush's "scum for life" and "I saved you" posts to me is because the argument is pure WIFOM.

Kush was scum. For that reason, we have to look at scum motivations
1) He was giving away his partner and throwing the game away. I believe he didn't give up on the game since he was mafia. Otherwise, he would most likely be punished for his actions in the game. Also, he is experienced. He isn't a dumb noob that would give up. He was willing to take the sack as scum last game when people started reading him as scum (although it never came to that).
2) He was attempting to set up someone who had "soft defended" him so that it would lead to a mislynch the next day.This point can be easily turned into WIFOM.

Why would you believe the words of a confirmed scum? The purpose of mafia is to disrupt the the town and turn townies against each other. Number two fulfills that purpose.


I agree that kush defending you can be turn into a WIFOM shitfest. But what I get from kush's meta is that he let his emotions speak anyway, regardless if he is town or mafia. I think that's the reason why DarthPunk nailed him so easily.
I've been looking at kush's behavior through the thread and I found that it changes after Z-BosoN's case on you.

Please look carefully at the time stamps
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 29 2012 05:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
This is the time when Z-BosoN strongly attacks debears and vote for him in the thread.

All the following posts are from kush's filter. I think he was desparate to see the game lost for mafia so fast and started to flame and troll.

On September 29 2012 05:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Hi z bozon.
Inconsistencies do not make someone scum.
Also it's quite funny how you are so certain this early in the game.
To summarize this awesome post: your case is not strong. you are overconfident in your scumread.


Very first reaction to Z-BosoN's vote on debears

On September 29 2012 05:52 kushm4sta wrote:
hi stutters .
its not that I don't give a fuck about this game. its that I don't give a fuck about not making "scumslips".

what questions have I dodged? To need to ask me them with a.question mark apart from the rest of your text.

The only question I see are what are other examples of savvy. I can't find them on my.phone. He fought with Alsn (allison?) though. Maybe you can look into that

racquetball is lame.

also you are.not excused cursing.



Flaming stutters

On September 29 2012 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
My.top scumread after darthpenguin: haven't given it.much thought. maybe djosef because he is playing the noobs.card pretty hard.
and djo guy,.if you want people.to say your name right don't make it random letters please


Attacking me because my name is weird ! (This one is a joke by the way)

On September 29 2012 06:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
On September 29 2012 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
My.top scumread after darthpenguin: haven't given it.much thought. maybe djosef because he is playing the noobs.card pretty hard.
and djo guy,.if you want people.to say your name right don't make it random letters please


Then give it more thought.


kush seems scummiest honestly
##vote kush


The ice on the cake

And one hour later

On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote:
debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe


He think he was still heated at that time. Also I think he got blamed for it because there is an apology post from him roughly one hour later again.

On September 29 2012 08:58 kushm4sta wrote:
i apologize btw





Honestly I would feel better if it was a WIFOM trap but I don't think so. Kush directly discredited Z-BosoN when he voted for you and at a time when he wasn't totally derailing. I'm pretty sure that's what made him go ape shit.



And for Shady's check I didn't breadcrumbed it in advance because I wasn't not sure who to check.



On October 04 2012 19:48 Djodref wrote:
by the way is everyone afk or dead ?

I'm not so familiar with Shady meta but isn't he supposed to more active ? it would be interesting to see the difference between corrosion's posts and his.

No one is here ? Seriously we might lose to just one maf player with all the lurkers...

(in the improbable case where debears is not scum)



and result is NS as Not Suspicious

I'm quite sure we have a setup with a medic, a cop and a godfather.
At first I wanted to check the lurkers to clear them if needed but my results don't mean nothing I bet.


debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:17 GMT
#989
ok. well. this is news. any counter claims?

Also, if you were cop and you were smart enough to breadcrumb, why did you play the noob card so hard?
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:17 GMT
#990
Obviously counterclaim if there's a cop.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:18 GMT
#991
Also, Djo

Why did you check remedy and not me or darthpunk or z-bo n1?
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:18 GMT
#992
There is likely to be a cop in the game, so if no counterclaim it's probably legit.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:21 GMT
#993
Yeah you're right SDM

If mafia claimed cop, and they were godfather, they would know there's a cop.

If mafia was a framer, they would know there's a cop.

If mafia was a goon, they would be risking a claim on the fact that there would not be a cop when there still could be
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:21 GMT
#994
##Unvote
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:22 GMT
#995
@debears

Because I was sure you were going to get lynched. I don't need to waste a check on a guy that is going to be lynched.
Also I didn't want to be sniped so I was playing a bit silly on purpose.

Nevertheless, I'm serious with my FoS on Z-Boson.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 05 2012 18:23 GMT
#996
On October 06 2012 03:21 debears wrote:
Yeah you're right SDM

If mafia claimed cop, and they were godfather, they would know there's a cop.

If mafia was a framer, they would know there's a cop.

If mafia was a goon, they would be risking a claim on the fact that there would not be a cop when there still could be


I've seen setups with miller without a rolechecker in earlier newbies (or some game on TL, not sure what), don't think you can reason this way.

Seem like a high % legit claim, is there any way to be 100%?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:24 GMT
#997
My general strategy was to check the lurkers in the case we get to LYLO or MYLO situation. They were less likely to be targeted by a possible framer and less likely to be lynched by the mafia.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:25 GMT
#998
No. I don't see a 100% scenario
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
October 05 2012 18:26 GMT
#999
##vote Djodref

Just want to make sure we get a lynch in atm. If omni gets modkilled and is town and djo flips town we can always no lynch tomorrow or the next day to keep the number advantage.

That said I don't like Djo's insistence that we should lynch me or omni. Both would tell next to nothing (except confirming that DP was right about me if it was me) while also being a safe bet if he is Scum. If he isn't Scum that's more info to go off of.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 05 2012 18:27 GMT
#1000
His breadcrumbs go back to d1 when he wasn't under any real pressure. I'd say its way more likely legit than not
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