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Stutters695
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
You can find it on Lesrah here On October 02 2012 11:23 Djodref wrote: Hello guys ! Just a quick post from work. It looks like either Alsn or debears are going to be lynched today. I'm totally fine with that because they are actually my scumteam right now. I'd prefer a debears lynch because of my cases against him so my vote is on him right now but I guess we are going to end up lynching Alsn for the following reasons:
Also DarthPunk has made an early vote him so I'm pretty sure town is gonna sheep on him at the end. But please don't do this ! Try to come out with your own decisions  Nevertheless, I might need to switch my vote to secure a lynch on Alsn. If so, I'm going to do it 5 hours before the deadline when I go to bed. Also I'm seriously promising you here a better post regarding why I suspect Alsn. Now regarding corrosion, I think he is the wagon mafia is going to try to push today so please take your time to read his filter twice (not so long  ) with the following glasses:
And decide for yourself See ya ! PS: I'm hoping for Lesrah to catch up quickly and on Z-Boson here (I don't use @ when I do my breadcrumbs) On October 03 2012 22:55 Djodref wrote: Z-BosoN Are you in or are you too much shacked by Alsn death ? You have a personal history with debears iirc ^^ At this point, after all the WIFOM arguments with debears, I was wondering who would benefit the most from an elaborate bus so I wanted to check Z-Boson but I gave up the idea because it was stupid. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
1) Omni (if he shows up) 2) Me 3) ??? (Stutters, Z-Bo, SS | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
Home now, so i'll take my vote off omni for now. ##Unvote | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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debears
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 06 2012 03:34 Djodref wrote: I would like to add that you shouldn't take any of my results for granted. I'm quite sure that we have a gf and that they are irrelevant. Nah, they're not irrelevant. Anyone checked is less likely to be scum. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
How so? I could see it if we were talking 2 scum left. Is this under the assumption that there isn't a godfather and instead a framer or goon lefT? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. debears (1) - Djodref, Omniscient4983 (0) - Z-Boson (1) - Shady Sands Djodref (1) - Z-Boson, Not Voting (5) - Stutters695, Omniscient4983, Sonic Death Monkey, debears, RemedySC With 8 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Currently, nobody is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 1 hour 20 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's just take for granted that we have a lonely godfather left | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I don't want to lynch you, I want to lynch debears <3 If Omni flips as a townie, I would say that either Z-Boson or debears is scum. But I also think that you would be in a perfect position as a scum right now. Your timing is far too perfect ! @Z-Boson I feel sorry for the efforts you put in your case but I didn't feel threatened until Stutters came back into the thread. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing debears or z-bos flip given the short time to change | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Reasons I feel he is scum: 1) He avoided the kush case d1 until the kush "I don't care implosion". 2) He defended kush himself by saying the slip wasn't really a slip and that meta is bad to use for cases 3) He attacked me for "soft defending kush" despite him actually defending kush 4) He wanted me lynched instead of kush although he said he felt like kush was scummier (after early statements saying kush wasn't that scummy) 5) Wanted me lynched over Alsn although he felt Alsn was way scummier (He said along the lines of 10X more scummy than me although he was so indecisive all d2 about us) 6) He said he would make sure I got lynched d2 despite kush's alignment, and especially so using his mod warning association case. 7) D2 comes and he wants to stop the arguments between us for a while 8) D2 he says he will get me lynched d3 no matter what Alsn flips 9) Now, d3 is here and he instead wants to push someone else, suddenly seeing the townie motivation in my previous posts and using meta to defend me, although I don't see a situation in which I don't get lynched. 10) His main argument against me day one was inconsistency on who I scumhunted and then consistency in my arguments against them. That's the same exact reasoning I used on thrawn last game!!!!!!!! Also, he noticed that kush and Alsn didn't actually do scumhunting, yet he saw me as scummier. Let me break up the scum and townie motivations as I see them 1-4) Townie - He actually thought his case was that great against me and thought I was actually scum. Mafia - Lesrah was a no show. Kush is under heat. He doesn't have to directly support kush. Instead, he can push another lynch candidate. Finds it too hard, and instead bandwagons before the deal is sealed 5-8) Townie - His opinion changed quickly each day as he saw better evidence against others and realized he was wrong Mafia - He wants to keep me around as a fall back and seem like he is decisive and after someone. He wants to use me as an excuse for the nks til he can find someone else 9) Townie - Sees that I most likely am not mafia and will actually try to help me (If I see a in depth case actually defending me I would more likely believe this) Mafia - Wants town cred knowing that I will very likely be lynched. 10) Townie - Confirmation Bias Mafia - Attack an easier active target with a believable case (set me up when kush did the "I saved you debears" and "scumteam 4 lyfe" Btw - It's pretty obvious that kush was trying very hard to set me up. I have been thinking of why. I have to read through the whole d1 before I come to my main conclusion on that. I will probably look over this list later to see if it really still says which is greater. In terms of meta, I'm still having trouble noticing stuff (maybe I don't really know what to look for - any suggestions there?) As town in LVII - 1) was much more indecisive. 2)Addressed everyone all the time it seemed. 3) Made only a couple of big cases. 4)Didn't use much red text at all (should I be considering that in meta reads?) and definitely not repeatedly on the same person. 5) He did get on Hapa early d1 for defending someone else (not saying that I'm hapa but maybe I'm on the right track ) 6) He stresses not scumhunting in his main cases (in other words, doesn't worry so much about who and the exact basis of the arguments as long as they are sound) 7) Later in the game, he starts defending others more often 8) His main concern is differentiating between bad town play and scum play (his main concern this game has been looking only really at mafia motivations and disregarding townie motivations) 9) Got defensive when called out for being suspicious without reasoning. As scum in NMM XXIV 1)He's aggressive with calling other's scum (using red text with that) 2) He says he wants reads shared (he asked me for all of mine this game) 3) He didn't want to bus 4) He read too much into posts, trying to nitpick and exaggerate arguments (kinda like this game with SDM early and then the emotions wording with Alsn) 5) His flip flops on his top scumreads (saying one moment they are confirmed scum then saying they aren't that scummy) 6)He worried about the reasoning behind nk (none of that this game) 7) Main scum reads were on inconsistencies/those playing badly (sounds like my case) 8) He makes long posts but has little substance in them His makes a clear effort in calling a person scum in these posts. For instance, saying scumslip? Is he scum wanting us to believe that? (does the same in his main case against me) 9) Gets defensive and flames when he is accused (sounds like him after I made an early case on him. He immediately tried to discredit me) This was alot of research. But I feel like he has mixed his town meta with his scum meta well. That, and the fact that I've been suspicious of him all game, is driving me nuts. There is both scum and town motivation is his posts, and he is following patterns from both games. Add on to this, in his scum game he wasn't quite as invested in terms of time. However, he had 2 other scum with him til late in the game. In this game, mafia would have to be active to keep mislynches open. Also, about SS I thought about the motivations behind corrosion asking for a replacement. It doesn't make much sense from a mafia perspective. He said he didn't have time to read through everything. A townie has to read through everything. It would make sense for a townie to ask for a replacement. A mafia, however, does not actually have to read everything in detail. They can take quicker looks at stuff and keep the game going on as before. And finally, SDM is my strongest town read besides Djo at this point. I'd say trust those two to the rest of town | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 06 2012 03:39 debears wrote: @SDM How so? I could see it if we were talking 2 scum left. Is this under the assumption that there isn't a godfather and instead a framer or goon lefT? If you work with probabilities it means the chance is lower, but of course you never know. Kind of like when you play poker and hit a pretty good hand, the chance of you winning is higher but you never know. Worst analogy ever. | ||
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Stutters695
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Given the behavior that Z-Boson has just shown and him voting me, I would like to OMGus him. But you and shady are not clean. I think town can afford a no lynch and we are going to get the info of Omni flip anyway. What do you guys think ? | ||
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Stutters695
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote Z-BosoN | ||
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