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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 03:42 marvellosity wrote: That's a pretty big pile of bullshit right there, BH. Not as big a pile of bullshit as no-lynching, which is currently what's gonna happen. There's like 4 people in thread and 2 of us already have votes on prplhz. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: If you find mementoss scummy, and prplhz isn't happening, are you switching? He may only have 2 votes to prpl's 5, but a swap from you, who says he's scummy, makes it 3-4. Ange says she's rereading, bluelightz...had mementoss scummy then switches because of an answer he gave to a follow-up question? Are you fucking serious? Am I switching from a highly scummy player who's close to getting lynched to a slightly scummy player who has very few votes? I don't know what you're smoking but it sounds like it makes for a pretty good party. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Overall, austinmcc started off posting like shit and has gotten his crap together a little bit at the end here. His large text-walls shouldn't cause you to assume anything though-- nothing he says still makes any sense. I'm willing to lynch him, but I'd prefer prplhz. I'd also be more comfortable lynching him than Marv or any of the other non-prplhz major candidates. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote: To BlazingHand: the reason it was a pile of shit is that far more people have expressed the opinion that I'm town or a bad lynch than they have with austin. Corralling people into voting on specific candidates like that is bad play. For what it's worth I currently have no intentions to vote you. I'm voting prplhz: he's my top scumread. He has never contributed and continues to adamantly refuse to do so. In the event it's literally impossible to lynch prplhz, I'll entertain an austinmcc lynch. I view no-lynching as the worst possible thing here. On September 20 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote: prplhz has annoyingly come in to defend himself and then provided nothing else. I'm finding that pretty scummy because it hasn't moved conversation forward. On the flip side, I found Hiro's arguments about how prplhz behaves as town (sheeping strong players) as quite convincing; further I think prplhz's frustration is genuine; I also see (ironically) prplhz's failure to understand that listing townreads with explanation is bad as somewhat townie. I think prplhz stupidity (feigned or otherwise) isn't an inherent scum or town-tell, simply because he could easily fake it. It's not something that helps his arguments and it gives him a crutch for taking and defending bad positions, which certainly doesn't look scummy on its face. Is our assumption really that prplhz is just not getting what we're saying? I don't interpret that on its own to be a scumtell, but I disagree that it's a townie thing. I think it's just a "prplhz either doesn't understand or is feigning not to, or perhaps even is scum and doesn't understand". | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 03:56 austinmcc wrote: Yes. I'm entirely serious. I didn't ask, HEY BH U WAN SWITCH?! I asked whether, if prplhz wasn't happening, you would switch. I don't exactly find it ridiculous to see whether you'd switch from someone you find scummy to someone you also find scummy. But then you bring up the 2 votes vs 5 situation, which is why I think you may or may not be shitting me. If prplhz isn't happening and there's only 2 votes on mementoss, why the hell would I ever switch to him? He's not even my second-highest scumread and like nobody thinks he's scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:01 austinmcc wrote: I have too much fun with setup speculation, paranoia, and odd plans to just afk as scum. If I ever actually roll scum, I'll end up getting caught doing something, rather than being absent and having 2 retarded posts. Marv is right: this is literally meaningless. Like... GUGH. I can't even respond to you. What makes you think it's even worth typing this sentence? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:00 Ange777 wrote: Ok, a few things: This post by Palmar actually made me reconsider my null/town read on marv. Because it is true, no matter how you put it you really shouldn't care so much about being accused if you are town. Defending yourself excessively or raging is not an option to show your fellow players your town side. You can only prove yourself by actual scum-hunting. I'm a bit more unsure about marv but am still leaning towards a null/slightly scummier read. Nonetheless I still think that the case Palmar made on marv is weak. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote: This is why marvellosity is scum: Possibly a joke, I wasn't in the game when this was written so I don't know how the mood was in the thread. The random lynch suggestion, while strange, bears no meaning to his alignment. This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker. The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762 What I take from this post is that marv for some reason has a problem with me not following whatever trends are already happening in town. The bad thing about replacing in is that you miss a ton of important reactional stuff, the good thing is that you start with a completely unbiased point of view. I decided to post as I read through what had already happened in the game. So, marv's problem is essentially that I had my own point of view. Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"? It's a real problem when you're actively encouraging people to not read the thread objectively. Unless of course you're scum. There is a marked difference between giving townreads for the hell of it, and giving town reads because it's applicable to give townreads. You already know that I hate it when people do the stupid "don't give your town reads" shit. That's not how the game works, if it did you could just OMGUS every time and say "no scum would do that". I take your OMGUS as having almost nothing to do with your alignment, I take your attempt at using it to make you look like town based on that, as very, very indicative of you being scum. Weak sheeping from a seasoned player can absolutely be null. It's all got to do with how they sheep and why. Not the face-value of just sheeping. We need to kill marv today. Just for effect/emphasis ##Vote marvellosity I have already stated that I don't get the feeling that marv's posting has changed a lot after the Palmar/marv discussion. And claiming that marv was discouraging you from giving your scum reads is a huge stretch. All he asked for was an explanation for your reads, you are totally misrepresenting the facts! And by the way, I too am unsatisfied with the way you are presenting your reads. I have asked for explanations over and over again and you have been ignoring them over and over again. Would you mind to elaborate your thought process? Why is it that people are praising your play when all I have encountered is a very unhelpful Palmar not willing to share his reasonings? How is that town-friendly? I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him. @Hapa: So you are saying that because people are sheeping the prplhz case he has to be town? We haven't once had the majority to lynch him because there has been new cases all the time distracting from prplhz. You claim that you see a town player who is being open with his suspicions? Well, if that was the case, why wouldn't he just state his reservations against the marv lynch? Furthermore, except for the weak case on marv, there has been no scum-hunting at all. On to prplhz' defense: On September 20 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote: I'm already hating it. Why is Ange777 quoting my very first post, some would even argue the very first post of the game and then calling it fluff? That's grasping for any little fucking thing you can find and it makes you look desperate. This doesn't have a lot to do with your case, it's a bad argument but meh, I just don't understand why people write big dumb text wall PBPA and then include every little dumb thing. Do you seriously think that this post is clearly more scummy than townie? No you don't because allegedly you have brain so use it. I started to dislike your play because I saw similarities from your play last time to your play this time. Being contradicted that your filter in this game has been vastly different than GLS Open, I just wanted to make clear that the length of a filter is in no way alignment showing due to the fact that it's easy to spam or fluff one's filter. So what if I didn't scum hunt enough for your taste? Tons of other scum hunted less than me because I scum hunted quite a bit, I just mostly found townies which I think is pretty good. Thinking that half the game is >90% sure townies is a pretty good thing for a townie because then he can focus on the baddies. I am giving you my reads you can't expect people to just catch scum. In either case I'm feeling really good about marvellosity and I already told you why and we'll get to that later. It's kind of ironic that you complain about my lack of scum hunting in the same post that you complain about the scum hunting I'm doing. As for how being the center of attention makes it more easy to scum hunt, that might actually be your opinion but I'm spending waaaaaaaaay too much time responding to shit like this instead of scum hunting. I also don't think that knowing your own alignment and how people react to it is necessarily something that makes it easier to scum hunt because you have to evaluate whether or not what you say is townie if you are being attacked, and the same thing when other people are being attacked you need to evaluate whether or not what they say is townie. Just look at this massive text wall took me ages to write and I'm not even done because there are at least two other people who have voted me for bad reasons since then. I am not saying that stating town reads is useless. It's just not as helpful as stating scum reads. And it's actually even easier for scum to state concrete town reads, they already know the alignment. And yes of course I am complaining about your lack of scum hunting because I don't think that the case on marv was any good. Are you for real? Let me analyse this argument to expose how utterly ridiculous it is: prplhz is scum and because of that he is lazy. prplhz sees a post and decides that he does not want to read this single post out of the entire game. prplhz decides that the best thing to do is to write a post in the thread about how he's not reading this post. If you don't see how ridiculous this is then I don't know what the fuck. It's wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start holy fuck I gotta move on because I am getting so mad. Okay I calmed down a bit. It's wrong because lazy doesn't mean scum by default and she doesn't argue that it has to mean scum here. Whatever. It's wrong because she's claiming that my lazyness has brought me to not reading this single post, which constitutes I'd say about 0.1% of the thread but whatever. I'd say that lazyness would probably more result in someone skimming the thread and not just skipping stuff. Alright. It is wrong because no scum would think it a good idea to announce in the thread that they're not reading it, when they can just....... not announce it in the thread lol and then read it if they have to or claim that they forgot or whatever the fuck. The scum motivation for this post is infinitesimal compared to how much flak you can instantly catch for admitting not reading the thread. Whatever you guys are dumb if you didn't already realize this. This argument is so irrationally that I don't know what. Anyway, I did read his post I just think that the Kenpachi Rule Extended is bullshit so I was discouraging further use of it. I didn't want Zephirdd to hide behind a dumb rule that I think is a null tell for the entire game (or even for a day). Yes you are right. Lazy does not always mean scum. But why wouldn't scum state that? Having so many players venting their (sometimes fake) anger, you could fool someone by saying outrageously that you generally don't read anything related to the Kenpachi/Zeph rule. But this is just one part of my case so let's see your defense for the next accusations. So what? You are grasping for straws and it's looking ridiculous to be honest. If you need to make a case then drop the irrelevant parts or at least put them in a spoiler and mark it "TOTALLY IRRELEVANT". Two posts are useless jokey posts? So what? Again, this was for showing that the a big filter does not necessary mean that you had contributed a lot. I already explained why I don't think so. Palmar was reading up on the thread and posting (some would say spamming) quite a bit, it looked like he was just posting whatever was on his mind while catching up on the thread. It was 20 hours into the game and there were no serious lynch candidates around. Townie Palmar also just says whatever the fuck he wants (I remember a game where he fake claimed day vigilante and threatened another dude who happened to actually be a day vigilante and then he flipped out and shot somebody just because Palmar was buddying with him, pretty hilarious and shows how Palmar plays; he just plays) and we weren't in a situation where we had to focus because we had plenty of time before deadline. Palmar also has really good first impressions and day1 reads. It was all too dumb to say that he was scum because he spoke his mind about what he saw in the thread and there are plenty of reasons for that for someone who is competent as marvellosity is. So that means that I can't expect Palmar to back up his reads with proof or explanation? You are totally missing my point. My point was that marv has every right to ask for an explanation when someone just dumps a read into the thread without any proper reasoning. And that this should not make him scummy. marvellosity can do the OMGUS as town or scum but I consider it more likely that he does it as scum because it's not a town move. The OMGUS served just to make him look bad which is generally not something scum do but it's over the top and dumb when he can just argue. Why is he flipping out like that just because some dude said "u scum m8" instead of keeping his cool? That's just WIFOM. I already mentioned it earlier, yes the raging makes him scummy but that's not enough for me to vote him. And why aren't you commenting at all on your "reservations" against marv? I'll post this stuff now as I am only at page 25 with reading. [/QUOTE] I like what Ange has said here and this deserves to be on the top of a page and not at the bottom. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:00 Ange777 wrote: Ok, a few things: This post by Palmar actually made me reconsider my null/town read on marv. Because it is true, no matter how you put it you really shouldn't care so much about being accused if you are town. Defending yourself excessively or raging is not an option to show your fellow players your town side. You can only prove yourself by actual scum-hunting. I'm a bit more unsure about marv but am still leaning towards a null/slightly scummier read. Nonetheless I still think that the case Palmar made on marv is weak. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote: This is why marvellosity is scum: Possibly a joke, I wasn't in the game when this was written so I don't know how the mood was in the thread. The random lynch suggestion, while strange, bears no meaning to his alignment. This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker. The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762 What I take from this post is that marv for some reason has a problem with me not following whatever trends are already happening in town. The bad thing about replacing in is that you miss a ton of important reactional stuff, the good thing is that you start with a completely unbiased point of view. I decided to post as I read through what had already happened in the game. So, marv's problem is essentially that I had my own point of view. Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"? It's a real problem when you're actively encouraging people to not read the thread objectively. Unless of course you're scum. There is a marked difference between giving townreads for the hell of it, and giving town reads because it's applicable to give townreads. You already know that I hate it when people do the stupid "don't give your town reads" shit. That's not how the game works, if it did you could just OMGUS every time and say "no scum would do that". I take your OMGUS as having almost nothing to do with your alignment, I take your attempt at using it to make you look like town based on that, as very, very indicative of you being scum. Weak sheeping from a seasoned player can absolutely be null. It's all got to do with how they sheep and why. Not the face-value of just sheeping. We need to kill marv today. Just for effect/emphasis ##Vote marvellosity I have already stated that I don't get the feeling that marv's posting has changed a lot after the Palmar/marv discussion. And claiming that marv was discouraging you from giving your scum reads is a huge stretch. All he asked for was an explanation for your reads, you are totally misrepresenting the facts! And by the way, I too am unsatisfied with the way you are presenting your reads. I have asked for explanations over and over again and you have been ignoring them over and over again. Would you mind to elaborate your thought process? Why is it that people are praising your play when all I have encountered is a very unhelpful Palmar not willing to share his reasonings? How is that town-friendly? I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him. @Hapa: So you are saying that because people are sheeping the prplhz case he has to be town? We haven't once had the majority to lynch him because there has been new cases all the time distracting from prplhz. You claim that you see a town player who is being open with his suspicions? Well, if that was the case, why wouldn't he just state his reservations against the marv lynch? Furthermore, except for the weak case on marv, there has been no scum-hunting at all. On to prplhz' defense: I started to dislike your play because I saw similarities from your play last time to your play this time. Being contradicted that your filter in this game has been vastly different than GLS Open, I just wanted to make clear that the length of a filter is in no way alignment showing due to the fact that it's easy to spam or fluff one's filter. I am not saying that stating town reads is useless. It's just not as helpful as stating scum reads. And it's actually even easier for scum to state concrete town reads, they already know the alignment. And yes of course I am complaining about your lack of scum hunting because I don't think that the case on marv was any good. Yes you are right. Lazy does not always mean scum. But why wouldn't scum state that? Having so many players venting their (sometimes fake) anger, you could fool someone by saying outrageously that you generally don't read anything related to the Kenpachi/Zeph rule. But this is just one part of my case so let's see your defense for the next accusations. Again, this was for showing that the a big filter does not necessary mean that you had contributed a lot. So that means that I can't expect Palmar to back up his reads with proof or explanation? You are totally missing my point. My point was that marv has every right to ask for an explanation when someone just dumps a read into the thread without any proper reasoning. And that this should not make him scummy. That's just WIFOM. I already mentioned it earlier, yes the raging makes him scummy but that's not enough for me to vote him. And why aren't you commenting at all on your "reservations" against marv? I'll post this stuff now as I am only at page 25 with reading. I like what Ange has said here and this deserves to be on the top of a page and not at the bottom. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:05 austinmcc wrote: His two voters think he's scum. You called him "scummy." Marv noted some good points in a case on him. Ange was rereading and is currently at: . Palmar is unknown. Bluelightz previously voted him and then unvoted for a reason that looks ridiculous. Moreover, I don't actually see anyone saying "MEMENTOSS IS TOWN." People are actively saying they have townreads on prplhz. NOBODY seems to be doing that with mementoss, correct me if I'm wrong here. If you don't want to mislynch so bad, if that's the worst option, then why is voting for the candidate that everyone finds scummy and nobody is REALLY stepping up to defend (and that you admit has some scummy points, in the only spot you recently discuss him) such a bad course of action in your mind? You clearly didn't read my list of priority lynches, or my actual analysis of Mementoss. Unless there's a serious change in the vote layout, I'm not voting him today, and that's final. | ||
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Blazinghand
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austinmcc ( 3 ) Marvellosity, mkfuba07, HiroPro marvellosity ( 2 ) Palmar, prplhz prplhz ( 5 ) Ange777, blazinghand, bluelightz, Mementoss, Zephirdd Zephirdd ( 1 ) iamperfection Mementoss (2) Austinmcc, Hapahauli Presently, no one is set to be lynched, because of an alarming headpant epidemic! 1.75 hours remain in Day 1 ! | ||
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Blazinghand
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austinmcc ( 4 ) Marvellosity, mkfuba07, HiroPro, iamperfection marvellosity ( 2 ) Palmar, prplhz prplhz ( 5 ) Ange777, blazinghand, bluelightz, Mementoss, Zephirdd Mementoss (2) Austinmcc, Hapahauli Presently, no one is set to be lynched, because of an alarming headpant epidemic! 1.75 hours remain in Day 1 ! | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:26 marvellosity wrote: well done for saying absolutely nothing. Stellar play right here. I don't like that Palmar hasn't been in the thread much  he hasn't done as much work to support the Marv case as would be necessary to garner my vote. Maybe it's not even possible-- maybe marv is just town. Palm you've got nobody agreeing with you which could be like "oh scum is resisting it" but... really, as Ange said, the lynch that's being resisted is the prplhz lynch. We're close to a majority and close to the deadline and all these wagons have sprung up in the past 24ish hours and nobody wants to push him over the edge. This is much more resistance than a wagon that just can't get off the ground.As I see it, prplhz is scum and austinmcc... is probably scum. Prplhz has more votes and is a better candidate so I'm not moving off him. | ||
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Blazinghand
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The prplhz lynch has faced resistance at every turn and finally all we need is one more vote. austin. someone. | ||
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Blazinghand
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prplhz for D1 lynch. he's worthless scum crap. kill him. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:57 Ange777 wrote: So you are confirming Hapa's mason claim? They're both scum, and both tried to fakeclaim to save prplhz at the same time. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 05:58 Hapahauli wrote: Just wait 2 minutes BH. Just wait. Nice try, but I'm not unvoting, and neither is anyone else unless they want to raise my ire. Prplhz today, you tomorrow. Don't listen to him, this is what scum is saying to try to make us doubt. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 05:58 prplhz wrote: i can't believe people aren't unvoting in face of mason claim my vigilante claim was a troll jesus christ How interesting that you just so happened to do it without knowing your scumbuddy was going to try to masonclaim to save you at the last minute. No, this was a scumteam communication breakdown and we have this game in the bag. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:59 prplhz wrote: i lied because i was a troll i really thought you'd unvote when hapa claiemd because mason claim ties people together and of course scum don't mess that up but fuck it you're so dumb i don't know what to do so am i but whatever "if I was scum I wouldn't make this mistake" | ||
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