EPTAlso since people are pushing for a vote from everyone i'll put mine down now.
##Vote Kushm4sta
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
Also since people are pushing for a vote from everyone i'll put mine down now. ##Vote Kushm4sta | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:25 kushm4sta wrote: ANTECEDENTS PEOPLE....... What is "that"? No idea what this sentence means. No idea what your "plan" is (all I know is it's stupid) No idea who you are saying would be lynched or who would be mafia. Sounds like a bunch of wifom speculation. I was referring to your post, if I put debears up to L-1 and someone came in from lurking and quick hammered him, that'd be suicide. You'd instantly lynch that person for a single town kill. Mafia going 1:1 with town is dumb. THere's no two ways about it. So if my plan is from a mafia perspective, it's just plain dumb. Because that would get me lynched too. So assuming I'm mafia and that's my plan, the mafia would be trading two people for a single townsperson. If I were SK that plan would never work either for much the same reason, except I'd be relying on a random quickhammer. So obviously I have a different plan than either of those things. | ||
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:24 RemedySC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 19:46 kushm4sta wrote: ok second question: why do I want to lynch debears over sharrant...I talk about this a lot. basically i see scum motivation in debears bad play but not in sharrants bad play. Can you go into more depth about what you see as scum motivation? Most of your argument is in this post. - + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 03:11 kushm4sta wrote: ##FOS Debears I looked at this guy's filter again. And yeah it's fishy as hell. So now I'm less suspicious of killingtime, more suspicious of debears. First thing isn't it da bears not de bears?? His initial dickriding of thrawn strikes me as something that could just be indicative of newbie play. It's more productive to make cases against scum than cases for town, especially out of the blue when no one is even accusing the townie. But the latter is easier so it is very possible this is just a newb mistake. But in his latest post he simultaneously continues the dick ride and defends his right to dickride. Incoming possible scumslip: People really need to learn to specify antecedents btw. After about an hour of rereading I figured out that what he is actually saying here is that thrawn's retarded idea to lynch the last person who posts makes him town. He purports himself an expert on the "mafia perspective" even though this is his first game. I would like more explanation about this line specifically: What do you mean mafia would "jump on him about the idea?" As in they would like or get mad at him for it? Are you saying that thinking that idea is bad makes you scum? It is pretty much information that had been mentioned before, so can you elaborate more? Sure remedy. I will speak more about the mafia motivation. Debear's buddying is something see mafia motivation in. Buddying is a known trait of scum do and it serves many purposes. 1 Gives them safe reads by copying a known or confirmed town. 2 Wins the favor of the strong town to avoid accusal by that town. ie buddy up with thrawn so he won't accuse me 3 Makes them look more innocent by association with a confirmed innocent. I read about buddying in a guide somewhere. It is known to be something that inexperienced mafia do. Sharrant's roleclaim/serial killer retardation is bad play I think. It makes no sense to me. I do not see the motivation for it as town, but I also don't see the motivation for it as scum. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I'm still not understanding how your actions magically prove your innocence. what is L-1? Isn't he already that? | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
Buddying is a tactic used to subconsciously become perceived as less of a threat by another player. While this is usually done by scum, Townies have been known to do this as well. This is typically accomplished by the buddying player acting unnaturally friendly to its target, either subtly or outright. Originally, this made it so that once the buddying scum died, it implicated the victim they were acting friendly toward. In addition, by budding up to a victim, they will become less likely to want to lynch the buddying player in the first place. More recently, though, this has become used as a pre-emptive accusation against anyone who acts nicely toward another player, regardless of intent. States that townies have been known to do this as well. Also the last sentence... "this has become used as a pre-emptive accusation against anyone who acts nicely toward another player, regardless of intent." So I can see how it would indicate scum, but I don't think it would rule out town either. Also it would be a good way to accuse him of this, and draw attention towards him. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:30 KillingTime wrote: I am here at the moment (around for a half hour or so) - if you want to ask me anything then you can. Other than the fact I was away last night (and therefore "lurky" to you) - why else do you think I am scum? Hm. I had missed a post of yours before. That's why. Your Filter thing on the front page isn't working properly, so I had to scan through everything, and I missed at least one post. My apologies. I still think you came off a little scummy when you first entered the game, but I hadn't thought about Atreides posts before that. I'm now less suspicious of you, and a little more of Atreides, but not enough that you two are my preffered lurker lynch. That spot now goes solely to Stutters. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
Mods can you fix my filter link on the first page? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I'm not a serious lynch candidate today. At this point your vote just unfocuses the town. You don't even say why you are voting for me. Your case against me was made a really long time ago. Also it is real weak. And you blast me for the weakness of my cases? You are actually one of the biggest lurkers at this point btw. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:44 KillingTime wrote: If my filter link on the front page isn't working (I think someone mentioned this before?) - just look for any one of my posts and there should be a little filter button in the top right that will work the same way. Mods can you fix my filter link on the first page? Done, hopefully one of my cohosts will be coming up with a votecount in the not too distant future :x | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
sharrant: Please give me at least one possible example where "forcing" someone to roleclaim under threat of a lynch will end up being good. I don't see it. Also, you keep talking about this crazy plan you have that you won't divulge to us..... we're just supposed to accept on faith that it's a good plan and therefore you're town? kush you have been asked this several times by different people but I still don't like your explanation of why you prefer debears over sharrant. I think you said that both of their play is bad but that debears play is bad scum wheras sharrant is bad town. So what you're saying is that dickriding a player looks scummier than asking for roleclaims, voting for people you have no intentions of lynching, being obssesed with blue and sk roles, and saying "guys dont lynch me I have a secret plan"? I can see why people would think that debears is scummy but I can't see how they see him scummier than sharrant unless they're going off of half-baked association cases. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
Debears, your play has struck me as scummy, but I wasn't playing with full knowledge of the situation. You and Thrawn both stand a much better chance of being town in my eyes than you did 5 minutes ago. So, I'm going with the lurkers now. Remedy, that vote randomly popping up on Kush is pretty suspicious to me, but I'm still more suspicious of stutters. So that's where my vote is going for now, but depending on Stutters next post, it could end up on Remedy very easily. ##unvote debears ##vote stutters695 | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Am I the only one who saw that and thought wtf? | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:47 kushm4sta wrote: @remedy Why would you vote for me at this point? I'm not a serious lynch candidate today. At this point your vote just unfocuses the town. You don't even say why you are voting for me. Your case against me was made a really long time ago. Also it is real weak. And you blast me for the weakness of my cases? You are actually one of the biggest lurkers at this point btw. I would vote for you because I don't believe in the lurker policy lynch, and you're my biggest suspect at the moment. (Answers first two questions.) It's still the first day, my case wasn't made that long ago. Just because it is nearing the end of the day doesn't diminish my case against you. This is my 10th post in the thread since the game started. Explain to me how after saying 1 post is enough to stay out of lurker status, yet you say i'm one of the biggest lurkers. There are still a few who have posted less than myself, and I don't find it necessary to have almost 50 posts in day one, like yourself. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
question I really want answered from sharrant: is this your first game of forum mafia? I asked him before but he didn't answer. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:54 Sharrant wrote: Well, fuck. I'm sorry, everyone. I had to PM the mod, and the mechanics in this game are similar but not quite the same to what I am used to. Enough to the point that were my plan successful the information would still be 50/50 on proving mafia. Debears, your play has struck me as scummy, but I wasn't playing with full knowledge of the situation. You and Thrawn both stand a much better chance of being town in my eyes than you did 5 minutes ago. So, I'm going with the lurkers now. Remedy, that vote randomly popping up on Kush is pretty suspicious to me, but I'm still more suspicious of stutters. So that's where my vote is going for now, but depending on Stutters next post, it could end up on Remedy very easily. ##unvote debears ##vote stutters695 How is my vote random? I have to vote before the lynch, and i have been clear on who I find the most suspicious. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
1. I want to know your actual experience level. How many games have you played outside of TL? Where did you play games with a SK? 2. Do you have any information on the XXVI game (or other TL newbie games)? If so, how did you get this information? On September 19 2012 03:14 Sharrant wrote: People I would like to hear more from: debears, KillingTime, Rethos, Jacob ... My current suspicions are Kush (SK, possibly blue or self important green), KillingTime/debears (One of these two is mafia I think, more likely KT), Stutters (Maf, low content, low posts) It seems to me this is the time you mention Killing and Debears. Your read on one of them being scum seems to be completely out of the blue. Killing jumped the Debear wagon because of my case, Debear hadn't really engaged with Killing. On September 19 2012 05:07 Sharrant wrote: This whole KillingTime versus debears is interesting though. I believe at most one of them is mafia. I'm really split on this one though. I don't get this. 3. What about "KillingTime versus debears"? How is the few interaction between them been suspicious? How did you arrive to one of them being scum? What makes their situation something that needs to be "resolved"? On September 19 2012 06:52 Sharrant wrote: Everyone keeps saying I had no read on debears, and I'm not sure why. I hope that my last post cleared that up, but if you look back you'll see that I made no mention of him being town. I only made mentions of slight or medium scum tells, or reads that are up in the air when they're on their own. That's just not true: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 23:54 Sharrant wrote: Other reads I have right now aren't too strong, I have a weak idea that Thrawn and debears are town, and I'm bouncing back and forth between weak town and weak scum on SDM. I'd like to think he's town because so far he's amused me. Drazak is still undecided in my mind until he posts more. 4. How did your read on Debears change from slightly town to most suspicious scum? Your claim that Debears seems slightly town came more than an hour after Debears defence of thrawn. On September 19 2012 07:45 Sharrant wrote: I've stated several times that I think Kush is SK, or town. Not mafia. My read was either that he was a townie who just wrote everything that came to mind, or he was the SK. The way he played did not strike me as mafia, it was too independent and too loud. 5. Let me get this straight. Your read of Kush being SK is based on that you think he stumbled into the thread basically saying "I will conciously make bad posts in order not to get NKd"? And the reason he said that is because he's SK and don't want to get NKd? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 20 2012 00:54 Sharrant wrote:Debears, your play has struck me as scummy, but I wasn't playing with full knowledge of the situation. You and Thrawn both stand a much better chance of being town in my eyes than you did 5 minutes ago. Ok so you say that up till this point debears has looked scummy to you. But then you make a post about pming a mod about the setup or something and now you have information that makes BOTH debears and I seem less scummy? I find it hard to believe that a mod would give you information that would impact your reads... therefore I think you're lying about pming a mod. | ||
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