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I'm really not sure about Kush. He's hard to read.
He's active however so I'd like to see him contribute more and get a better read on him.
One major question for him:
On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad
Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion.
You also say:
On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening.
I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic:
How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad?
Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES.
We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS.
How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker.
He says he isn't sure enough to vote Sharrant over a lurker, but he's willing to vote debears. What makes you think he is a better scum lynch than removing a lurker or lynching Scharrant.
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Oh something I probably should mention, my classes start at 9 tommorow so the closest to the lynch I can be is 7 (2 to 3 hours before) I will post more on recent developments before I go to bed and will try to wake up before I have to leave incase something massive happens. Just letting you know.
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Ok i have looked back through thrawn2112 and debears filters. There is one thing that is very odd. They are always on the same page they are always agreeing. BUT they never talk. How can two people be always on the same page without ever interacting?
They are always in sync they always think the same. thrawn2112 agrees with what debears is doing, finds nothing suspicious all is ok. debears is certain on his thrawn2112 town read and he follows thrawn2112 in voting for Sharrant. He ofcourse says that they have "beaten him to the punch" meaning that he had a case on him but the others were faster. He never presents said case even though it would be useful for everybody. (You need to clarify what you meant by that post debears - see I am not asking questions  )
Everybody has noticed the interaction everybody is mentioning it but nobody is mentioning the fact that they don't communicate at all. thrawn2112 has preatty much talked to everybody that was willing to answer back but not debears. They never answer eachothers posts, always answer to posts made by other players about the other on of them.
This all screams to me that there is out of thread interaction. I am happy with either one of them going. Seeing that there is a greater possibility that debears gets lynched than thrawn2112, my vote is on him.
##Vote debears
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EBWOP: the way that they are voting for Sharrant makes me think of a bandwagon. The second and third votes are perfect for bandwagoning.
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I'm not sure if the format I used for my vote was correct so I'll add the bold just in case.
##Vote: debears
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I have looked through Sharrant's filter. I do see your point that it is weird for somebody to try to make someone else claim. The main problem I have ofcourse with this is that it currently contradicts my debears / thrawn2112 theory. I right now am far more sure on my that case.
That basically means that Sharrant is very very unlikely to be scum as well. Other than the claiming part I find everything else ok. He is not afraid to get in the spotlight. Right now my read on him is slightly slightly scum but sincer I have a far better read on debears / thrawn2112 I will stick with that.
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On September 19 2012 15:52 Stutters695 wrote:I'm really not sure about Kush. He's hard to read. He's active however so I'd like to see him contribute more and get a better read on him. One major question for him: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion. You also say: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening.
I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic:
How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad?
Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES.
We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS.
How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker. He says he isn't sure enough to vote Sharrant over a lurker, but he's willing to vote debears. What makes you think he is a better scum lynch than removing a lurker or lynching Scharrant.
This post is very striking. It's your second post, the first one being about the same topic. Kush's early comments have been discussed and are pretty irrelevant now. Your last paragraph asks a question which has been answered already, and doesn't contribute. I'm getting the vibe of someone who's posting only because he feels pressured to post.
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On September 19 2012 15:52 Stutters695 wrote:I'm really not sure about Kush. He's hard to read. He's active however so I'd like to see him contribute more and get a better read on him. One major question for him: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion. You also say: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening.
I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic:
How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad?
Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES.
We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS.
How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker. He says he isn't sure enough to vote Sharrant over a lurker, but he's willing to vote debears. What makes you think he is a better scum lynch than removing a lurker or lynching Scharrant.
bringing up the nk shit again....ok. i think its bad play to make yourself a nk target because you are worthless if you are this super strong townie d1, then get nk n1. I think thrawn is a good player but he definitely fell into this trap last game. he made himself a target and his death told us nothing.
I only bring this up again to save stutters the task of reading through my filter.
ok second question: why do I want to lynch debears over sharrant...I talk about this a lot. basically i see scum motivation in debears bad play but not in sharrants bad play.
why am I willing to vote for debears over a lurker? honestly I would probably rather lynch a lurker over him, just because I think d1 reads I'm general are ass. We were voting for our biggest scumread, though, just to see what bandwagons were viable. also voting for a lurker at that point would have been stupid because we don't even know which lurker we would consolidate on.
cubu is lurking even harder than last game.
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yeah stutters returns from afk in a pretty scummy fashion. afk for a while while I go to class.
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I don't know about you guys but drazak is looking pretty scummy to me. Making stuff up about 'voting without actually voting', which doesn't exist IRL. What happens IRL is when enough people have made a common verdict in the daytime, where everyone is discussing, the moderator will then start the lynching where everyone casts in their vote. And besides, real life mafia is too fast-paced to have a pseudo-voting session.
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Oh and sorry for lurking, but i am really busy with assignments. I gotta write four 2k word essays by next week.
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On September 19 2012 19:46 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 15:52 Stutters695 wrote:I'm really not sure about Kush. He's hard to read. He's active however so I'd like to see him contribute more and get a better read on him. One major question for him: On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person.
what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though.
I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion. You also say: On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening.
I'm not going to vote yet. Day 1 scum reads are pretty bad. They are necessary, definitely, but it seems like they are just wrong more often than not. This leads me to the unpopular topic:
How do people feel about lynching a lurker. I would much rather lynch a lurker day 1 than let them sit there with his automatic null read forever. And who would we lynch instead? A possible active townie who is just playing bad?
Think about this, we have serious lurkers in CUBU and ATREIDES.
We have semi lurkers in REMEDY and STUTTERS.
How sure are you that Sharrant is mafia? Personally I'm not sure enough to vote for him over a lurker. He says he isn't sure enough to vote Sharrant over a lurker, but he's willing to vote debears. What makes you think he is a better scum lynch than removing a lurker or lynching Scharrant. bringing up the nk shit again....ok. i think its bad play to make yourself a nk target because you are worthless if you are this super strong townie d1, then get nk n1. I think thrawn is a good player but he definitely fell into this trap last game. he made himself a target and his death told us nothing. I only bring this up again to save stutters the task of reading through my filter.
This is just wrong. You're basically saying that not making good contributions is a good thing because otherwise you'll end up getting NKd. The problem is that with that strategy we end up without any good contributions and we can't solve the game.
The obvious and correct strategy is for EVERYONE to make good contributions. That way it doesn't matter who gets NKd because there are others making good contributions to cover for the loss.
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Some thoughts on d1 so far.
The thrawn and Debear association:
+ Show Spoiler +In short, it's a silly case, but here's why. When a game starts and from my point of view as town, there's a 25% chance a random player is scum, so at the start of the game a d1 mislynch is pretty likely. We want to lynch someone with preferably >>25% chance of being scum. Making a pure association read is silly (which is what rethos is making), because the chance of two random people both being scum is only ~5%. In other words, you need a really good reason to support an association, because the default is so unlikely. Let's look at his reasonings. On September 19 2012 16:21 rethos wrote:
Ok i have looked back through thrawn2112 and debears filters. There is one thing that is very odd. They are always on the same page they are always agreeing. BUT they never talk. How can two people be always on the same page without ever interacting? This is really not that weird. I basically never respond to someone making a town read on me. Why would I? Also, if I make a town read on someone, it rarely ends up with me having a discussion with this person. Why? Simply because if my read is town I don't think he's suspect and I don't have question to ask about suspect behaviour. On September 19 2012 16:21 rethos wrote:They are always in sync they always think the same. thrawn2112 agrees with what debears is doing, finds nothing suspicious all is ok. debears is certain on his thrawn2112 town read and he follows thrawn2112 in voting for Sharrant. He ofcourse says that they have "beaten him to the punch" meaning that he had a case on him but the others were faster. He never presents said case even though it would be useful for everybody. (You need to clarify what you meant by that post debears - see I am not asking questions ) Everybody has noticed the interaction everybody is mentioning it but nobody is mentioning the fact that they don't communicate at all. thrawn2112 has preatty much talked to everybody that was willing to answer back but not debears. They never answer eachothers posts, always answer to posts made by other players about the other on of them. This all screams to me that there is out of thread interaction. I am happy with either one of them going. Seeing that there is a greater possibility that debears gets lynched than thrawn2112, my vote is on him. From my experience, I would find it unlikely that the d1 conversation in the Maffia QT was thrawn saying something along the lines of: "Day 1 we should agree with eachother. Debear, you start riding my dick to establish an association between us. Agree with everything I say". In XXVI me and Xatalos had the exactly opposite conversation. We wanted to create some distance between eachother, attack eachother's reasonings etc. This is way more easy to do d1 rather than later on. I'm not saying this is proof of a non-association, I'm just saying the association read is weak. Fwiw I still think your way of analyzing is good. Lack of interaction can indeed be scummy and might imply out of thread conversations. I just don't think it makes for a strong case here.
Thrawn and Debear are both masons:
+ Show Spoiler +This is an even stronger and worse attempt at an association read. Yet again, I don't see why masons would go out early d1 and make their connection super apparent. It's not a good argument. Not only that, but we really should be discussing blue roles, that's fucking stupid since it'll help maffia. I realize masons aren't technically blue, but the roles are helpful for town. That's all I've got to say.
Thrawn by himself as scum:
+ Show Spoiler +People seem to have think I had strong suspicions against thrawn. I never had. His post was just a decent entry point for me to get more information. My approach is like this: push for information -> form an opinion. Me questioning someone doesn't have to mean I'm suspecting him, but it might. The information I got out of it finally didn't turn out to be very useful, at least not good enough to push a case against anyone. At this point my read is slight town: he's active, analytical, asks questions and seems to be making pro town posts in general.
Debear by himself as scum:
+ Show Spoiler +Debear on the other hand was someone I actually suspected and thought I would be able to build a case against. It seemed to me that he had more information than I had, because his conclusions wrt thrawn was something I couldn't understand him making. But oh, the awkward moment when I think I'm about to make a solid case against him, just to realize that any way I look at it, the reason it seemed like he had more information wasn't (necessarily) because he did, but because he had processed the available information much more efficiently.
What was left of my case was loose accusations of him dick riding thrawn to blend in. This alone doesn't make up much of a case. I will say though, that I still think his actions are kind of suspicious. Some of those actions can be rationalized from a town perspective, like thrawn has explained. His lengthy defense of thrawn and him jumping the Sharrant bandwagon immediately after two of the most active posters had present it is still kind of suspicious, just not nearly as suspicious as I originally thought.
Kush, I went through your filter to find some good arguments against Debears, but all I could find was you copying my read. Could you expand on why you think Debears is suspicious?
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sonic... my case is pretty much just the dickriding. but he dickrides both by defending thrawn and copying his arguments without saying why.
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When I went to bed I felt I had made a strong case against Sharrant, but now I'm having some doubts. I still think it's a decent case, but my vote is subject to change (my final vote will probably be 2-3 hours ahead of deadline).
I will be back for questions to Sharrant and hopefully questions to other players as well.
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On September 19 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote:So I'm kind of demoralized atm about my debears case since no one is even talking about debears anymore but me. Sharrant has effectively consumed everyone's attention.. so I guess bad job sharrant whether you are town or scum. Case against debears recent post. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 07:21 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First thing, SDM Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 19 2012 05:13. Posts 355
Reading thrawn's explanations and looking back at Debears filter it's possible he understood thrawn's plan That was what I was going for. Obviously, I poorly worded that part cuz it didn't get through. Also, at the time I made the thrawn defense post, I did not want to repeat what every1 else was saying. I saw that you were criticizing thrawn for doing something similar and it looked odd to me. Thus, I decided to question you. Once you kept saying you didn't see the logic, I tried to explain it. @KushWhy are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak. + Show Spoiler + debears United States. September 18 2012 22:42. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote Edit #
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To me, thrawn is giving a town read at this point.
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A couple of you (SDM for instance) are concentrating at how stupid an idea lynching the last person is. Let's look at motivations for this:
1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea).
2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works.
The idea has far superior town motives.
remember that Thrawn didn't linger on the idea. He dropped it after the responses were pretty clear on it. SDM did
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I think Thrawn has sufficiently answered the question.
I also believe that thrawn's defense of kush earlier was not indicative of scum.
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The argument that Remedy was more of a shot in the dark, seeing as all of us hate lurkers. Thrawn dismissed a possibly dumb argument before a giant flame war started (kush did give warning earlier).
I also support thrawn's logic with drazak:
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Thrawn is currently not timid about calling people out within reason.
To add to the argument, drazak's post also sounds indecisive. might, maybe, probably, think. While that alone is not anywhere near enough to condemn someone, it does raise suspicion on drazak.
I find it odd how both are you are playing right now. Kush is lieing (and btw my main critic was SDM and not KillingTime). And this: + Show Spoiler + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 05:58. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 19 2012 05:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
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Well that bolded part is just a straight up lie. I don't see how drazak fits into your theory... I was the first one to call drazak out on his unreasonably defensive post and I've never defended him. So once again, is the only reason you think I'm scum because of your debears association case?
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Ok Sharrant that is a ridiculous vote. You start out saying "debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me" and say his defense of me "was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion."
Then you vote for him and say "there's a good chance he flips scum" and you're "not convinced he's mafia" after saying his defense of me was a null read. So, what exactly is your read on him and if you don't have a read then why are you voting for him? All I see is a bunch of "he may be scum" and "he is a null read."
That's a ridiculous vote? You pick choice words out to discredit what I said, and try to make it personal. I'm fairly convinced the two of you are mafia after that. You know who I think is most suspicious, that hasn't been a secret. This has been mentioned in every post that Kush is my number one target, but that's not going anywhere. I think you should re-read my post. Several times even. Yes, his defense of you wasn't particularly strong either way in and of itself, that's what I said. That's one moment of his play, and you jumped all over that. So Kush is number one on your list. Makes sense that you would vote for him yet: + Show Spoiler +At the same time, debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me, his defense of Thrawn could be scummy, or it might not be. It was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion. However, there is getting to be a large web of people involved with debears either way.
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##vote debears So I'm not the most suspicious, yet I"m the one you vote for. And, not only that, you are going after me. Funny how you agree with kush, the person you most suspect for mafia, on that. And another thing that raised my eyebrows was how quickly you gave up on attacking kush although you still think he is sk: + Show Spoiler + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 03:14. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 19 2012 02:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Defense of Sharrant's case against me
Good...scumhunting...dude..
there I didn't flame.
1 You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking?
I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine.
And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him.
I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive.
It was just a couple of words, but it is all in the wording. It was the whole underlined, bolded, italicized call out of him. I agree that lurkers need a kick in the pants to start posting more. I'd like to see more posts from Cubu, Stutters, and Killing Time specifically. You've taken a few steps on the road to seeming town to me, but it's a long journey for you, I'm still sticking with my first call.
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I "keep on about NKs" only because people are calling me out for that statement and I want to defend myself. I will stop talking about NK if you stop.
But since you brought it up again let me talk more about my stance on nks:
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And if you're afraid to make yourself a target, then you don't put up as much as you can. NKs provide can provide just as much information as lynches can. On the first read through of your post, I was more convinced of your townieness. But your "I only talk about NKs because you guys talk about! But I'm going to talk about it again, and then say how it was a bad idea to talk about it in the first place." that's put me in an odd spot. It sends real mixed signals to me.
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I never reversed my stance on anything. 1 post a day is not lurking if its a long post. Lynch lurkers, yes, but 1 post a day does not make you a lurker.
@sharron Is there anything else you want me to address or is that it? Also please give more effort to organize your posts better. Singling out the different arguments made against me was quite hard.
I'll take this one as a misinterpretation of your wording earlier. You have the benefit of the doubt there, I retract that point from before.
I think my post was more than adequately formatted, every point I called you on was bolded, every town read you gave was underlined, each point was addressed immediately afterwards, and was followed by a concise conclusion. If you have a suggestion on how to better format my posts, do tell.
You've gained some leniency, in that I know have more of a doubt that you might just be a townie who just sort of blurts out whatever they're thinking, but my vote stays on you for now until you post your own scum reads. But I appreciate that you are remaining civil, I think it helps the town out more.
KillingTime, you're starting to come up on my radar more and more. You seem to be riding coat tails, and posting a recap, rather than analysis of events, and then you come out swinging at debears based off of very, very little.
People I would like to hear more from: debears, KillingTime, Rethos, Jacob
You're all up there because I would like to get a better read on you, or I'd like to know more about your opinions.
People I need to hear more from: Atreides, Cubu, Drazak, Remedy, Stutters
And you're all up here because you're either suspicious, or lurking.
My current suspicions are Kush (SK, possibly blue or self important green), KillingTime/debears (One of these two is mafia I think, more likely KT), Stutters (Maf, low content, low posts)
We need to operate under the impression that among ourselves is not just the mafia, but a serial killer. It changes reads on people by an incredible amount. There's too many strategies open to an idependant killer if we don't also try to address them in our scum hunting. You basically stated that you are leaving kush alone. Yet you hide it in a mass of text about formatting. The rest of the post is you telling people who need to post. I liked the kush SK notion, but your current activity isn't making much sense. There are several points in this post where debears directly copies thrawn's arguments without backing them up. Show nested quote +@Kush
Why are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak.
I'm not trying hard. I wrote one sentence bringing up that possibility, people asked me about it, and I answered them. If anything I was trying hard to get people to drop it. This is beating a dead horse to a bloody pulp. Either he didn't read my posts, or he is doing it on purpose. Scum loves shit like this because they can get a lot of scumhunt mileage over something that contributes nothing. (Kind of like getting on someone's ass for voting instead of fosing..) Basically he is copying thrawns argument directly without expanding on it or even explaining it, and he doesn't acknowledge my answers to thrawn. I'm lying about? Again this is a repeat of something thrawn said. With nothing to back it up or anything. Just randomly throwing down some baseless suspicion. The dick riding has continued, only instead of actually defending thrawn, he just copies all his claims and leaves out of the logic behind them.
Unfortunately, before i posted my argument on Sharrant, I did not know SDM and thrawn had presented a case on Sharrant. The post took me a while and I did not refresh the page. Otherwise, I would have refrained from posting the thing.
Also, when you accuse 3 people of a scum group, you should expect a response from each of them.
And you were lieing(an exaggeration according to you) about the supposed scum team.
Now, Kush, here I want to dismiss the basis of your argument
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If I had to call a scum team right now it would be Thrawn debears drazak just because they are all defending each other at this point. The only I would be willing to lynch though is debears.
Before you jump down my throat I know it's too early to call scum teams and this is pure speculation.
According to you, the reason for this scum team is our defense of each other.
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@thrawn you say I made a straight up lie and that's not an accusation I take lightly.
if anything it was an exaggeration and not a lie.
I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing my scumteam theories, because while I think they help in looking for cases, they do not constitute a case.
but I don't like being called a liar so here goes.
drazak is connected by saying killing is more suspicious than debears. he says they can't both be mafia so therefore debears isn't mafia. That is the classic mafia defense..defending a teammate by attacking the attacker.
and you have defended debears.
So that was the basis for that comment. Is it a real case against you? no. Is it a lie though? also no.
Ok now by drazak attacking KillingTime, he is mafia to you. But who was the main person attacking me at the time? SDM was the main attacker at that point. Why wouldn't drazak, if we are suppposedly linked, go after SDM.
Yet, you seem to defend sharrant in a similar way.
also why are so many people already voting sharron? His play is really stupid with the roleclaim call, but stupid play doesn't make you mafia. you think first time mafia would really be so confidently retarded like that?
Isn't sharron's roleclaim call as stupid as my defense of thrawn early on? You could make the same argument for me.
On September 19 2012 11:02 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 09:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 19 2012 09:40 kushm4sta wrote:
imo don't even think about serial killer until he kills someone and we know he exists.
look for a substantial post from me at like 10 pm. I will break down debears latest post and expand on my argument about why I think he's scummy.
the second half of d1 is approaching and I think we should solidify our bandwagons instead of accusing people like thrawn who are just not gonna get lynched today.
also why are so many people already voting sharron? His play is really stupid with the roleclaim call, but stupid play doesn't make you mafia. you think first time mafia would really be so confidently retarded like that? Because like you said we're halfway into d1 and it's time to start voting. Would he make a big mistake as first time mafia? Maybe? Who knows? The point is it happened. You also gotta look at his vote for debears. Ignore what your read on debears is and just look at that post. It's so washy washy.... Combine that with the role claim nonsense and that's why I'm voting for him. So wait I misunderstood. This is just his first game on TL not his first game. But he could be talking about IRL mafia. @Sharront Is this your first game of forum mafia? Thrawn I think you are referring to when sharrant voted for debears right after saying he's not the most suspicious person. People are misunderstanding how some people use ##vote. They use it like ##fos basically and just change their vote a bunch of times throughout the day.I do not think there is anything inherently scummy in that.
Here you defend Sharrant's vote on me, saying that his newbieness on the tl mafia forum is a reason to excuse his vote.
However, In sharrant's SK argument
Sharrant Canada. September 18 2012 23:54. Posts 15
So since we've had a few FoS's but no votes, allow me to cast the first vote ##Vote:kushm4sta
This statement seems to me to show that Sharrant understands that votes carry more weight. He basically said that FOS weren't putting any pressure on at this point. Also, the fact wasn't that he voted for me. It's that he voted for me over you although he still thought you were more suspicious. Thus, your argument for his misunderstanding of the use of votes is a stretch of a defense for him. Why are you going out of your way to defend him? Are you going to say that, since I am a noob and my move was idiotic, that I should be let off the hook?
You're accusations have inconsistency.
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Yeah I kinda agree with sonic the case for Sharrant isn’t as strong as it used to be (although for someone who seems to have played irl mafia I can’t imagine why you would want someone to role call at all. (he said because mafia can’t fake role call later) but even a blue would probably say green so he doesn’t get nk’d. Also voting for people he doesn’t think is most suspisios. He kind played it off but still seems odd. Kush was really strange with the Nk business but I see no point in lynching him day one as there doesn’t appear to be much momentum behind it. (although debears just posted criticising him)
So I still have my vote on Sharrant for the moment as I think it is stronger than the debear case. (debear{btw I love that name} case being he has sheeped onto thrawn it seems) However I really want to look at stutters and I want answers from him.
First he lurks to the point I forgot he was in the game (literally). Them both his posts are in regard to kush something everyone agreed was stupid. (in other words a safe argument) And he virtually says the same thing both posts.
On September 18 2012 16:31 Stutters695 wrote:
EBWOP: Instead of coming up with useless excuses for bad play before you've even really started playing.
FoS kushm4sta
On September 19 2012 15:52 Stutters695 wrote:
Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion.
Also as I pointed out before he isn’t really here... considering he said pregame he has lots of time this give me cause for concern. Surely he would talk about the Debear case, the sharrant case (his only mention of this is one line in question to kush) at least to get the discussion rolling...
So in other words, stutters looks scummy to me.
Oh and one more thing. Cubu, I have no problem policy lynching this guy. Not purely because of policy but he says he is busy with assignments (which I can understand I have my own assignments as well the only reason I am posting this much is because I am addicted to this game -_-) However he made no mention that this would be a problem before the game. Just one more thing but I would only lynch him if I couldn’t be happy with a good scum read.
I would also like to note I am not sure what the risk reward cycle sharrant would have is... he posts a lot and seems seriously committed to the game. Because of this for the moment I will actually change my vote to stutters. However without seeing his meta I can’t really say and he could be a committed scum.
However my biggest scum read right now is stutters so until further notice I will vote stutters. For transpanancy my biggest scum reads are stutters followed by sharrant so if no stutters lynch is about to go down I will vote sharrant over debear.
##unvote Sharrent
##Vote: Stutters695
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+ Show Spoiler + rethos Romania. September 19 2012 16:21. Posts 62 PM Profile Quote #
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Ok i have looked back through thrawn2112 and debears filters. There is one thing that is very odd. They are always on the same page they are always agreeing. BUT they never talk. How can two people be always on the same page without ever interacting?
They are always in sync they always think the same. thrawn2112 agrees with what debears is doing, finds nothing suspicious all is ok. debears is certain on his thrawn2112 town read and he follows thrawn2112 in voting for Sharrant. He ofcourse says that they have "beaten him to the punch" meaning that he had a case on him but the others were faster. He never presents said case even though it would be useful for everybody. (You need to clarify what you meant by that post debears - see I am not asking questions )
Everybody has noticed the interaction everybody is mentioning it but nobody is mentioning the fact that they don't communicate at all. thrawn2112 has preatty much talked to everybody that was willing to answer back but not debears. They never answer eachothers posts, always answer to posts made by other players about the other on of them.
This all screams to me that there is out of thread interaction. I am happy with either one of them going. Seeing that there is a greater possibility that debears gets lynched than thrawn2112, my vote is on him.
##Vote debears
Rethos welcome to the party. There is a bit of difference in your last few posts from your older ones in a good way. The fact is that right now, since you have answered my post about you, the other lurkers are a bigger priority. Keep posting though.
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Also a vote count would be good... I will probably be awake for an hour or so, so I will recheck the thread before bed and again in the morning.
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I want answers but I forgot to list questions... Stutters why do you appear to be lurking more so than last game dispite saying you had more time?
Why have you not chimed in on the other cases? (I guess because you are lurking derp)
and... what do you think of the other cases?
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