EPTI'm still in shock that you guys are lynching the guy who has been forwarding cases and making people defend themselves. It boggles the mind.
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Risen
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I'm still in shock that you guys are lynching the guy who has been forwarding cases and making people defend themselves. It boggles the mind. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: Also, what happened to vader in your "Lynch order" list. He hasn't even been here, but you just dropped him. Tbh, forgot about him. He's probably above prpl. He's been so lurky he didn't even cross my mind. | ||
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"Oh Risen responded to me, well I'm just going to lurk while derp town lynches him." Makes sense to me. It's a problem when you have townies doing really scummy things. There's 6 people on me, at least 4 of you are town. The things I've done can be taken both scummy and not scummy depending on your viewpoint. No matter the viewpoint coming into the thread and voting without making a case, refusing to respond to defenses, and lurking is anti-town play. | ||
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Things town needs to do after I'm dead. 1) Lynch Marvel. What was that? Lynch Marvel. Why? Because he isn't as bad as the rest of you. Wait what? He's smarter than you are. He knows I'm not scum, and if he was town he would have actually made a case and let me defend myself from it. Well, how do you know he's smarter than us? I've played with him as scum, he's laughing at all of you right now, and in a very Mattchew-like manner. 2) Read my cases, and look at the response given from people. I think Dirk comes across as most scummy, maybe you don't agree. Regardless, get in the thread and POST. If you're town and lurking, start posting. If someone lurks the first two days and then unlurks, lynch them. I think that sums it up. I responded to everyone's comments about me in what I feel was a logical manner, no one unvoted. Maybe it wasn't logical and I just thought it was. No one seems to be able to actually use quotes or read the thread, though, which is pretty bad. Stop being lazy, stop being bad. Godspeed, town. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote: FWIW, as much as I would like to change my opinion about you, I just can't. You're being really active here when your neck is on the line, but I feel like you're floundering around doing whatever you can to save your hide and throw mud onto everyone else. Besides you, there are 8 people in the game. Your lynch list, when you add in vader, is 6 people. You have basically the whole town down in order of who should be lynched. Then there's things like this (emphasis is my own, and spoilered cause long quotes): + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2012 02:06 Risen wrote: You're probably right. I'm just telling you what I was responding to. Whether or not I actually responded to that specific question is irrelevant. It's probably scummy, and I'll discuss it post-game. The problem I find I have is I sit down and just type whatever comes to mind without filtering it. This leads to contradictions that shouldn't happen, and me answering things that weren't asked in the first place. If I wasn't me I'd think it was scummy, but I'd also look at all the other things I've done in thread and realize that scum wouldn't push cases so hard or with so much logic. I think my cases are very logical, something you can't say about scum cases. Now, the case being pushed on me is somewhat logical, because I've made mistakes, but it is incomplete because it doesn't look at the great good I've done in thread, instead focusing on the small blunders. This is what scum do, eventually townies make small mistakes, some more than others because some are worse, scum finds these small mistakes and exploits them. It is a townies duty not to panic and instead to continue making logical cases, that way even if I'm lynched, there are now concrete town cases in thread. That's what bugs me about prpl and anyone else in this game. Prpl responded by shitting himself openly in thread. He didn't do anything logical, he's not helping town should he be lynched. Town should play as if they're always about to take a bullet or be lynched. I don't see that from Dirk, prpl, or v7. On September 08 2012 04:31 Risen wrote: You're probably right. I was expecting people to go through and ask questions about my play. I'd respond by saying what I was thinking at the time. By doing this people would actually read the thread and realize I'm town b/c I can respond to any "contradiction" posted in this thread, and have, to show that there are no contradictions. People still harp on it, though, b/c they're too lazy to actually read the thread. That's why v7's claim of having read through the entire thread rings really, REALLY hollow to me. I doubt he did, or if he did he skimmed it. So either lazy town or scum claiming lazy town. Post-game discussion from me will revolve around how atrocious town is, and how awesome scum is for relying on a lazy town (or rather, how sad it is that a scum team can rely on town to be lazy) As for favorite ice cream? Tie. Mint chocolate chip or cookie dough for sure. Damn that sounds tasty. In case you didn't get it from that, I'm town. We'll see what excuses derp townies come up with to excuse how bad they are. You say that you are aware that you are making contradictions because you're posting on the fly off the top of your head, then say you have no contradictions. You've flip-flopped on your reads every 30 minutes, without really PUSHING the cases. Hell, your vote isn't even on marv right now. Too many little things all add up to you being scum. 1) I've been active all day, not just when my neck was on the line, what a stupid thing to say. 2) I was under the impressions that I had made a contradiction when I wrote that. Turns out there was no contradiction, but the sentiment contained within that post remains the same. When posting as much as I do there's bound to be tiny things that pop up and seem scummy. It's pro-town to inform me of those things so I can respond to them, as I have with everything brought before me. 3) I'm not voting Marv b/c to everyone else he hasn't done anything scummy, I only know he's scum b/c I know he's smarter than all of you. Dirk Dirk, on the other hand, has done things that even townies like you can pick up on (I think?) TL;DR: Lynch marv tomorrow. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:45 marvellosity wrote: Frankly I'm afraid he could be town but I'm more afraid that he's scummy wiggling and fooling me :/ Stuff like this. Look how he gives himself a door so he can say damn, if only there had been more time. I was starting to think he was town, but not enough people were aroudn who would unvote him. Don't listen to this. Lynch him. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote: Stop being a dick Risen and use your head. You know I know that post gives me trouble and not credit. I'm not being a dick. I know you're smarter than that, and yet you're voting for me on some very flimsy stuff. Look at your vote post, dude. I still <3 you. Scum bros for lyfe. Lynch Marv. | ||
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My first day 1 lynch, how exciting  Will he flip town? Will he flip scum?!?!? ((Heads up: I'm town)) Lynch Marv. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:52 prplhz wrote: meh Look at all these people comin' out the woodwork for my lynch!!! Lynch Marv. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:54 marvellosity wrote: Risen if you're town you're being exceptionally dense. Going to try the "I'm a blue and didn't want to get shot!" defense? | ||
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LYNCH MARV! GODSPEED, TOWN! DEATH TO SCUM! | ||
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Edit: This isn't meant to be taken in a "you're horrible players" way. (You are) This should be taken in a "why the fuck sign up for a mafia game and then go unactive" way. | ||
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Keir you're awesome man. Edit: I'd like to add that my scum reads diverged towards the end b/c townies were just that bad. | ||
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On September 14 2012 10:55 Keirathi wrote: Haha, wait. Are you saying that I have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old, or that I am awesome? Or maybe an awesome 2 year old!? No, town has the reading comprehension of a 2 year old. You are just awesome for how you played this game. You took advantage of a stupid town by claiming you were RB'd, and while to any competent town in this setup it wouldn't be alignment indicative, it somehow confirmed you as town. On top of this you were the most active/useful person in the game after me, and if scum is posting more usefully than town, something is wrong. For some reason lynching the most active player seemed like a good idea to town, but then lynching the second most active didn't. I really thought it was you/prpl early on, but then v7 and dirk pulled their inane nonsense and I got all fucked up in the head. Add onto this Zeph with the question that somehow made me scum even though I answered it perfectly fine? This game came down to town being at the level of a trash can, prpl being about equally as bad, and you doing very well. I'd like to see you as scum against some semi-competent townies, I think you'd still do just as well as you did this game. | ||
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On September 14 2012 11:14 marvellosity wrote: that was the clean version What are your thoughts on the people in this game? Activity levels are always a constant harping of mine, and there was a horrible mislynch d2 b/c of it (hilarious to me, but I mean I would have lynched him too without his claim due to activity/promises of it that weren't delivered/his d1 stuff), but anything else? I just think there's a serious problem with how towns on TL play. It's like half the people try to play as scummy as possible. Is this b/c they don't want to be night killed? The point is to win, not to live until the end of the game. It makes being scum extremely fun, though. I haven't lost as scum yet, because it's so easy to take advantage of. Marv hasn't lost as scum, either! Town didn't even manage to win Death Note mafia, which was one of the most town stacked games I think I've ever seen rofl. Is that what hosts are going to be forced to do to give town a fighting chance on TL? Should hosts start purposefully balancing around bad towns? I think this is a real issue. I think this setup was really well balanced. Three town mislynches and two night kills with only two scum should result in a scum victory, and it did. However, with what I've seen since I started playing mafia, scum wins a lot. A LOT. To me this says imbalanced setups favoring scum, or bad towns. Looking at the setups and I think they're more often town favored than scum favored, so.... Or maybe it's confirmation bias. If so let me know. On September 14 2012 11:15 Blazinghand wrote: I'm also addressing Risen. Got it. | ||
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On September 14 2012 11:27 marvellosity wrote: This game was actually quite close despite the final result, imo. If you're a townie getting lynched Day 1, you have to look at yourself and not just look at the town voting you, whether they are being bad or not. Otherwise the whole vader issue was just quite unfortunate. I think it says more about how townies sheeped someone b/c they're lazy just to get a lynch than anything else. Edit: I also disagree that the final result was close at all. Let's say BL doesn't derp his way to voting the cop claim (which should have screamed townie, b/c what scum wouldn't pay attention to the game like that). Let's then say prpl gets lynched. Next up on the block, in my opinion, is dirk, since it's just keir and zeph at that point and zeph is getting RB'd the next night. In Zeph's mind Keir has been RB'd, he himself has been RB'd... who hasn't been RB'd..... Dirk! Lynch Dirk. Scum victory again. Ok so let's say v7 manages to not afk through the entire game and he doesn't get lynched. Who's next on the chopping block there? In my mind, it's a prpl, Dirk, or BL lynch. Both prpl and Dirk have played more scummily, but BL has also been lurky/bad. I don't have faith that people see prpl has only been defending himself and hasn't actually done any logical pushing on anyone, so we have a decision between a lurker and Dirk. Prp gets lynched the next day, and Keir is still coming out on top here, in my opinion, because they don't kill you n2, instead they kill v7 b/c he has claimed doctor with plenty of time to avert catastrophe. Endgame comes down to marv/zeph/keir. Marv now knows keir is scum, but how does he prove this? Keir has been pro-town all game, he claims he was RB'd, zeph knows he was RB'd, in his mind keir is almost confirmed scum b/c no scum would "RB" himself, scum victory. It all comes down to the play of town d1. Not even the lynching the only person who kept discussion going part. The lynch on me was fine if townies hadn't played in such a scummy manner, and that's the problem, in my opinion. | ||
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On September 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote: There's a reason some people almost never get lynched, Risen. And it's not just because they luck out with getting towns not voting for them. You're right. If I just lurk like everyone else from now on I won't get lynched. But that's not how a townie should play, is it. I also disagree that the final result was close at all. Let's say BL doesn't derp his way to voting the cop claim (which should have screamed townie, b/c what scum wouldn't pay attention to the game like that). Let's then say prpl gets lynched. Next up on the block, in my opinion, is dirk, since it's just keir and zeph at that point and zeph is getting RB'd the next night. In Zeph's mind Keir has been RB'd, he himself has been RB'd... who hasn't been RB'd..... Dirk! Lynch Dirk. Scum victory again. Ok so let's say v7 manages to not afk through the entire game and he doesn't get lynched. Who's next on the chopping block there? In my mind, it's a prpl, Dirk, or BL lynch. Both prpl and Dirk have played more scummily, but BL has also been lurky/bad. I don't have faith that people see prpl has only been defending himself and hasn't actually done any logical pushing on anyone, so we have a decision between a lurker and Dirk. Prp gets lynched the next day, and Keir is still coming out on top here, in my opinion, because they don't kill you n2, instead they kill v7 b/c he has claimed doctor with plenty of time to avert catastrophe. Endgame comes down to marv/zeph/keir. Marv now knows keir is scum, but how does he prove this? Keir has been pro-town all game, he claims he was RB'd, zeph knows he was RB'd, in his mind keir is almost confirmed town b/c no scum would "RB" himself, scum victory. It all comes down to the play of town d1. Not even the lynching the only person who kept discussion going part. The lynch on me was fine if townies hadn't played in such a scummy manner, and that's the problem, in my opinion. | ||
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On September 14 2012 11:42 Keirathi wrote: Maybe. I still think I would have been in a pretty good spot with Me vs Dirk+BL, though. You would have won easily b/c you don't kill Zeph who you're near confirmed status with. Assuming that you kill Zeph, though, I think you still have a fair shot at getting BL lynched. | ||
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