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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 19:33 GMT
#373
Double EBWOP: If I missed responding to you about your contradiction post and you did give me quotes, my bad, and you can bring that up post game.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 19:36 GMT
#374
I wish this game could fast forward to lynch. I want to see the QT :<

Am I really being that illogical here, or is town that bad? I trust QT to decide.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:04 GMT
#377
On September 08 2012 04:39 prplhz wrote:
Risen:

The reason I voted for him in the first place stands. I don't believe that you can have a clear scum read 3 posts into the game. Risen seemed anxious that no one was talking in the thread after his initial post and then when I immediately after asked him a simple question about his vote for me, he spent 10 minutes writing a 6 line response. This seems too carefully thought through if the case is just a "joke vote" to get things rolling. The guy was actually trying to write a real case 3 posts into the game and I don't believe this.

Then later he tries to back down on that by saying it was obvious that his case was a joke. Then why did he not act as if it was a joke? It seems like he was just trying to downplay it because it was getting him into trouble.

I pretty much think that this is enough, conflicting motives for actions is a clear sign of scum because scum never have any motive other than "Man, I better write some shit so they don't yell at me for lurking".

Later he tries to back down even more by saying that he never actually thought I was scum, but townies don't lie and everything in his behavior said that he thought I was scum. There is no reason ever that a townie would make that much of an effort trying to make it seem like he thought I was scum unless he really did think that, there's no guaranteed benefit but there are potential disasters just waiting to happen. Townies don't do stuff like that.

I also found this post very interesting. For a guy who has a 5 page filter in a 17 page game, he never asked who Quatol was even though he was "having a seizure". This is really weird because townies usually just shoot from the hip and ask whatever questions but even though he seems like he's saying what's on his mind, he actually isn't. Why is he even so nervous about Quatol? It's some dude writing whatever on another user, I knew that marvellosity is cohosting with Palmar whose smurf Quatol is so I don't know but I think townies would mostly feel annoyed that someone is making the thread harder to read by posting on another account. Risen is nervous which is something scum are but townies aren't. I think a lot of his posting seems nervous but this is a really good example of it.

Why apologize? Scum apologizes but townies are like "get out, i'm the towniest townie in town just by how green my pm is".

I trust my early reads because they are usually what I have the most luck with and I'm pretty sure that Risen is the best lynch for today.

Also if you are some kind of blue it's probably time to claim.


The game had just started you dolt. I didn't come in and spend ten minutes making a case on your post. I came in, wanted to be fruitdealer, and started writing my VT post. I saw your post in thread and to get things rolling I made a "case" on you. You responded in a scummy manner. I NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM YOU QUOTE A FUCKING POST WHERE I BACK DOWN FROM YOU STOP SAYING STUPID SHIT LIKE THAT. You know what, you right, better write something so they don't call me out for lurking EVEN THOUGH THE GAME JUST STARTED. I NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM YOU STOP REPEATING THAT IT IS NOT TRUE SHOW ME A FUCKING QUOTE. Maybe I didn't post asking b/c I thought Quatol was just another player in the game and I was trying to figure out who he was responding to? At that time I didn't have the player list memorized. You're making up things right now to try and justify your vote at this point. I'm apologizing to marv b/c I just hyrda'd with him to try and get better, but I'm doing pretty bad. You trust your early reads? You got any fucking evidence of that shit? Or is it just more feeling.

I'M REALLY HAPPY WE'RE ALL LYNCHING RISEN BECAUSE OF OUR FEELINGS EVEN THOUGH WE CANT FIND A FUCKING QUOTE TO BACK UP OUR SHIT.

I'm not blue. I'm VT. I hope you're scum prpl. Very well played if you are.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:06 GMT
#378
No idea why I did all that work for this town. Every towny in this game is lazy as shit, can't be bothered to back up their shit.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:08 GMT
#379
I was ok when it was just 4 on me, two of which could be scum. Now that there's like what... 6? It just means there's idiots voting for me who can't back up their shit. Marvel is not this bad. Marvel is not this bad. Marvel is scum. Marvel is scum. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynch Marvel tomorrow. Lynch Marvel tomorrow. Lynch him tomorrow.

I'm convinced the rest of you are just horrible. I KNOW Marvel isn't horrible. Marvel is scum. Lynch Marvel. Don't let him weasel his way out of this, he's good at that. Lynch him.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:14 GMT
#380
Oh hey look prpl comes in, gets his horrible case slapped down by me, and then he's nowhere to be found. Funny that, eh? Still lynch marv, though. Town marv would know I'm not scum. Lynch marv.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:19 GMT
#381
Also, don't let anyone use the excuse when I flip that "oh he was so scummy". Make them post quotes and give actual reasons they thought I was scummy. If they post something I haven't responded to lynch them b/c why the fuck wouldn't you let me defend myself. If they point to something I've already answered point it out and ask them again until they realize how bad their arguments were or until they scumslip.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:26 GMT
#384
On September 08 2012 05:25 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 04:31 Risen wrote:
On September 08 2012 04:26 Ange777 wrote:
I think there is no one in the thread besides you and me. Stupid inactivity.

What kind of questions were you expecting? Talking about your play should wait for the post-game discussion right? + Show Spoiler +
Or where you expecting questions like what's your favorite kind of ice cream?


You're probably right. I was expecting people to go through and ask questions about my play. I'd respond by saying what I was thinking at the time. By doing this people would actually read the thread and realize I'm town b/c I can respond to any "contradiction" posted in this thread, and have, to show that there are no contradictions. People still harp on it, though, b/c they're too lazy to actually read the thread. That's why v7's claim of having read through the entire thread rings really, REALLY hollow to me. I doubt he did, or if he did he skimmed it. So either lazy town or scum claiming lazy town.

Post-game discussion from me will revolve around how atrocious town is, and how awesome scum is for relying on a lazy town (or rather, how sad it is that a scum team can rely on town to be lazy)

As for favorite ice cream? Tie. Mint chocolate chip or cookie dough for sure. Damn that sounds tasty.

In case you didn't get it from that, I'm town. We'll see what excuses derp townies come up with to excuse how bad they are.


So what made you contradict yourself regarding marv? Or are you simply too lazy to answer questions directed at you?


What contradiction?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:27 GMT
#385
On September 08 2012 05:19 prplhz wrote:
Still here I just don't want to talk to someone who calls me a dolt and writes in caps because I would regret what I say later.


Standard response form someone who can't actually use logical arguments. Don't listen to any cases prpl posts the rest of the game. If he's still alive day 4 just lynch him, but for god's sake don't listen to this guy.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:28 GMT
#386
On September 07 2012 19:38 Ange777 wrote:
@Risen: Explain this!

Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 02:10 Risen wrote:
On September 07 2012 01:59 Ange777 wrote:
I'm kind of hung up on this:

On September 07 2012 01:04 Risen wrote:
Hmm, I can't tell if Marvel is actually an upset towny (though why would he be, from an outsiders perspective look at all the juicy posting that has occured!) or scum trying to make the appearance of bussing me. I think I've only ever played with him as "scum", and he's always posted a lot less. He knows this, though, and he's a smart cookie. Is he posting more now BECAUSE he knows I'm in this game and since he's scum he can' tplay like he did, or is it b/c he's genuinely town?

Verdict: WIFOM as fuck. At least with this much posting if he is scum it won't come down to something retarded like in Death Note (ITSMARVELBABYYY YEAHHHHH)


You pointed it out earlier and I haven't seen a direct reply from Risen. Why would you say that as scum marv would appear to bus you? From town Risen's perspective scum marv would be happy to pile up more evidence on a Risen mislynch.


Ange I think you're wrong in the bolded section. Marvel is sneaky as fuck.


Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 05:40 Risen wrote:
On September 07 2012 05:37 marvellosity wrote:
meta is totally irrelevant, it would just be the most stupid scumplay ever and I am not known for those.

And no, it's not so stupid it's brilliant either.


However, if Risen is town and Marv is scum it IS the perfect opportunity for Marv to get a mislynch on Risen going.
Maybe now that the wagon is going you've realized town will do the job for you? I doubt that, though, since there really isn't a wagon moving except by Keir/Dirk/prpl, and I'm not really scared of their votes since their actions have been so scummy.


Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 06:05 Risen wrote:
On September 07 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
that makes no sense.

I wanna kill myself


Wait what doesn't make sense about it? If you were scum you'd use that as an opportunity to make an easy lynch.





There is no contradiction here if this is what you're referring to. Where is the contradiction? Marv starts a wagon, gets off it once it's rolling for the town cred when I flip green. Marv does this because he's sneaky.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:32 GMT
#387
Anything else Ange? I swear I already told you somewhere that there is no contradiction there. Why are you asking again?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:40 GMT
#389
Probably b/c it hit me later on that Marv wouldn't be that bad. A Dirk/Marv team is very possible. Taking just the posting in the thread and no meta? Lynch Dirk. Taking how smart I know marv is into account? Lynch Marv. Next?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:52 GMT
#391
Wait, what theory am I denying? I thought I listed all the possibilities of what Marv was doing in the thread. I didn't think that was the case, though, because Marv wasn't voting me. He is now voting me. I know Marv is not that bad. Therefor, scum Marv.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 20:54 GMT
#394
EBWOP: In my "possibilities" thing I was just saying a scum Marv might push a Risen lynch and then get off it for that tasty town cred. In order for this possibility to be true it requires marv to stay off me, though. As it stands, the fact that he is on me leans even more heavily to him being scum (for reasons I said in my last post).

I still see no contradictions.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 21:00 GMT
#398
To sum: The case on me is as follows.

1) He backed off prpl.
I've shown I never backed off prpl, but this continues to be a cry from too many people to have it just be scum shouting it. Hence, horrible town.

2) He contradicted himself with the marv thing.
I've shown I didn't contradict myself here, either.

3)He changed his mind about who his top scum read was.
As the thread evolved I changed my mind on who my top read was, yes. At the start of the day, I voted prpl for pressure. His reaction was telling to me, and I maintained my position. Keir came along with some ultra scummy shit, I moved to him. Dirk made a really, really, really scummy string of actions, causing him to become my top scum read. I'm now telling you to lynch marv b/c I know he isn't as bad as he's trying to make it seem. I don't even know if that's a meta read. It's more like I have enough confidence in a town marv to actually read the thread, whereas scum Marv would try to capitalize on idiot townies (read our QTs and trust me on our skype convos, we laugh about how bad townies are a lot)

Anything else?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 21:03 GMT
#399
On September 08 2012 05:56 Keirathi wrote:
So wait, he's scummy if he stays off of you for the town cred, but hes scummy if he votes you too?


Sigh... I didn't know raising a possibility was calling him scummy. All I was doing in the thread was listing the possibilities for what marv was doing in the thread. I never called him scummy until he proved to me that he was scum by voting me.

Anything else? All your idiotic points have been refuted, and everyone's vote is still on me. You're all horrible.

I like how ange goes to sleep before bothering to read my response to Keir here. I'd like to also point out that what Keir said here is WRONG. I never said Marv was scummy for his unvote of me. I said it was a possibility that he was scum getting off me now that the wagon had started rolling. I was sharing my "notes" with the thread. (Notes = thoughts)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 21:06 GMT
#400
EBWOP: Which is more likely, that Keir didn't read the thread, didn't bother quoting me, and is a bad towny? Or that he's scum and has misquoted me twice now. It's up to town to decide on that. Blows my mind that town Keir could echo so much of the things I said in thread and then have the audacity to vote for me. I'm betting he's just being lazy. Still think Dirk/Marv is a real possibility.

Lynch order: Marv > Dirk > Zeph > Keir > prpl. Pray you guys hit scum sometime in those first three or it's just over anyways.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 21:08 GMT
#402
I know that's my lynch order, but really guys, be wary of prpl. If Dirk doesn't flip scum take a real hard look at him. He hasn't actually done anything useful and his posts are really bad.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 21:11 GMT
#403
On September 08 2012 06:08 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 06:00 Risen wrote:
1) He backed off prpl.
I've shown I never backed off prpl, but this continues to be a cry from too many people to have it just be scum shouting it. Hence, horrible town.

But you did back off prpl. Even if I give you the BotD that you were answering "Why did I vote prplhz 3 posts into the game" instead of "Why do you think prplhz is scum", you still maintained for a lot of the day that prplhz was scum. I can quote all the times you mentioned your scum read on him again, if you want. I'm not even talking about your first post, just the ones after it. But a few hours ago, you said something along of the lines of "I don't think prplhz is scum, I think he's a bad townie. Forget him and lynch Dirk/Zeph/etc".

Also, I do have a question for you: What part of your meta, specifically, are you trying to change? I was under the impression that you were just trying to work on your attitude, because thats what you said you were working on in Not Themed. Your attitude has nothing to do with the meta argument that marv made against you, so your questioning of him because he made a meta argument about your townie playstyle, NOT your "FUCK YOU YOU'RE DUMB" attitude meta, doesn't make much sense to me.


Meta change = changing the entire way I play. Attitude (work in progress, sorry!) and gameplay style. I don't think there's anywhere I've played as town where day 1 I was posting so actively and being so open to the trhead on my thought process.

I thought the back off referred only to the misquoted and out of context statement. It's clear I've backed off him b/c I no longer have him as my top scum read. Why? Because there are scummier people in the thread. Right now if I was anyone else I would not even be considering Marv as the top slot, but once I saw Risen flip town, and took it to my head that Risen had been teamed with Marv for two games in a row now, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 07 2012 21:14 GMT
#404
EBWOP: Maybe prpl is playing stupid and refusing to answer my rebuttal of him and he really IS scum. Maybe he's town and actually is refusing to answer my rebuttal b/c he's had a bad game so far. I'm leaning to the latter. I've never discounted anyone as being town or scum, besides marvel who I'm 100% on being scum, because only scum know alignments. I thought keeping the thread up to date on what I was thinking would be best. Not only does this allow people to defend themselves, it also gets people talking because they have to defend themselves. We'll see how the game works out. If town wins this b/c of all the posting people were forced into today then I'll continue openly thinking in thread. If town derps its way to a loss well maybe lurking and rolling the dice on who to lynch is a better way to play.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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