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Anyways, this whole argument is pointless and I'm just getting frustrated.
Here's my final opinion:
Prior to today, you haven't cared about this game at all, nor done virtually any scumhunting. Suddenly your neck is on the line, and you're super active and wanting to argue, while pushing scumreads on me and Dirk while still defending prplhz.
Nothing you have done this game has been pro-town, and voting for the confirmed cop is just stupidly anti-town. With Zeph as a confirmed townie, I have 3 people to pick a scumteam of two out of. You and prplhz make the most sense, so I'll be sticking with my vote.
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@Zeph:
Just making sure you know this, but nothing that BL said today should have any bearing on our (whichever of us is still alive) decision tomorrow. BL knew he was going to die, so everything he said is a super WIFOM bomb.
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On September 14 2012 06:59 prplhz wrote:
yea i'm not really sold on bluelightz being scum
convenient.
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GG everyone!
This was my first scum game, and I had a lot of fun.
Some post-game thoughts:
1) I don't think I did anything particularly amazing this game. I just focused on not making any obvious mistakes, and looking better than any potential lynch targets.
2) It was really dumb of me not to notice Zeph's crumb n1. I was talking with marv a bit about it after he died, and I think I realized why I didn't catch it. As weird as it sounds, I literally played this whole game with the mindset that I was town. I scoured filters, checked meta, did whatever I needed to do to make a case. I even caught myself a few times thinking "So, if so-and-so flips scum, I can link him to so-and-so." The good thing (for me), was that playing like that made my meta pretty similar to my town meta, IMO (which could be bad, in hindsight. I might start getting mislynched as town now!).
The side effect to that town mentality, was that when I read Zeph's crumb post, I had the exact same reaction that Ange had: I marked it down as something scummy that I could use to pressure him. I spent more time reading posts from the context of "What's scummy about this?" than I did from the mindset of "Why would a townie say that?". I did specifically go back and look through all the night posts for a medic crumb, but Zeph's post still didn't stick out. Really bad of me, but thankfully it didn't come back to bite me in the ass.
3) Not RB'ing anyone n1 was extremely risky, and probably a bad decision 9 times out of 10. But I didn't have any blue reads, and I still thought of everyone alive as lynch bait and didn't want to give them even the smallest amount of town cred with a claim that they were RB'd.
4) RB claim might buy someone BotD for a day, but when it's LYLO you really need to go back and evaluate if they were lying about it. But by that point, I already had enough town cred and influence built up, that Zeph (and marv, FWIW) came to the conclusion that I wasn't lying.
5) Something I'm mildly suprised no one picked up on: I called Risen out day 1 for having 6 people (out of 8) as part of his "Lynch order list". Except, during N1, I made a case on 3 people (prplhz, Zeph, and vader), and had pressure posts against marv and BL, too. So, I had varying degrees of cases on 5 out of the 7 people who were alive besides me.
6) Risen: any copying of your opinions was honestly entirely unintentional 
7) vader being medic was extremely unfortunate for you guys. Basically the whole setup revolved around the medic  If vader hadn't been the medic, or marv (who I was still planning to shoot n2), me and prplhz would have been in a pickle. I was honestly worried we were going to lose the game up until vader claimed medic.
Oh, and:
On September 12 2012 06:31 Zephirdd wrote:
Dirkzor, I too have. On this kind of setup, using a roleblock on a town player will not only confirm the setup for players but also make that player look good.
However, Keirathi would deserve a mafia player of the century if his play so far was made from a scum perspective in my opinion. He's been constructive, he's been making ton of sense, and he's been showing a lot of stuff other town players don't realize. Hell, I'd argue I would have been roleblocked if he was scum, because he noticed my breadcumb really early.
Besides, it's not hard to imagine that he would be a blue if you think of his day 1 play. I had a green read on him at least, and instantly thought he was telling the truth when claiming RB.
That made me chuckle. Thanks <3
GG again, and look forward to playing with you guys more!
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Oh, BH, What the heck? I was BitByBit, not prplhz!
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Blazinghand wrote:
It seems certain that with just a bit of leadership from Marv or Ange777 this will turn into a landslide for town.
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Oh yea, thanks BH and DYH for hosting!
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On September 14 2012 09:00 Zephirdd wrote:
THE ZEPHIRDD RULE IS FUCKING TRUE
Rofl
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On September 14 2012 09:05 Zephirdd wrote:
ugh I should have picked bluelightz was town, but for some reason keirathi didn't make sense to be scum.
except that claiming to be roleblocked is like THE move for a scum team to make on this setup. I'm a moron lol
Meh, you played fine. You only claimed when you had to, and had a credible crumb to back it up.
Literally no one pegged me for scum. Not in the game, nor in Obs QT.
(Well, BL was right at the end, but for terrible reasons. The only reason I was scum to him was an associative tell with a townie. Flip Dirk, and he had no case against me at all.)
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On September 14 2012 10:48 Risen wrote:
Don't even get me started on how everyone in this game has the reading comprehension of a 2 year old.
Keir you're awesome man.
Haha, wait. Are you saying that I have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old, or that I am awesome? Or maybe an awesome 2 year old!?
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Thanks <3 I think maybe in a game with an overall better played town, I might have been in a bind. BH's notes were right, if just a few things went a little bit differently, this would have been a really hard game to win. I think one thing that helped me not be obvious, though, is that I'm already always careful about what I say, even as a townie. I've never been one to fly by the seat of my pants and say the first thing that comes to my mind. I always filter my words so that I try to come off as townie, because as a town I don't want to give scum ammunition to lynch me with (or town to confuse me for scum ), which I think is a big reason that I've never been lynched. Granted, I've only played 6 games so far, but still unlynched up to this point.
I don't think the RB itself confirmed me as town, but when you add in that I was being active and "useful", people just started believing that there was very little chance I was lying. Especially after Dirk? Zeph? said he wouldn't be suprised if it was an attempt to actually hit a blue after my day 1 play.
Also, I would have made my case against you regardless of alignment (sorry!). As a town, that one post about the bussing and convoluted logic would have set my scum senses tingling. Like I said, I was reading each post with my townie mentality. The key difference is that as a townie, I would have realized you were town by the endof the day. Everything you said in the last 6 hours or so before the lynch just screamed townie, IMO.
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Why would scum have been tunneling you so hard if he was about to be flipped? Like, what purpose does it serve towards keeping his teammate alive and able to win the game?
The most likely explanation is that he's a super paranoid townie.
E: Unless you were his teamate. Then it could have been a brilliant play
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Also, I counted on marv to keep shooting down my prplhz lynches. <3
Oh, and your reaction fishing didn't work because I knew what reaction you were expecting. It might have worked if you hadn't made the same argument in Not Themed and Dwarfs, though
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Oh, and I was totally planning on bussing prplhz day3.
On September 11 2012 07:06 Keirathi wrote:
Yea, I'm really liking the prplhz lynch now. I gave him the BotD because marv seemed convinced that he was too active and interested to be scum, and the other cases today had merit as well. How long before we stop giving his terrible play the BotD and hold him accountable for the scummy shit he's done?
I don't think my chances of winning were any less after the medic was dead, and the cop was outed, in 2-1 LYLO compared to 3-2. But someone shot me down again, and proposed lynched BL instead, so I rolled with it.
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Maybe. I still think I would have been in a pretty good spot with Me vs Dirk+BL, though.
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On September 14 2012 11:43 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 11:42 Keirathi wrote:
Maybe. I still think I would have been in a pretty good spot with Me vs Dirk+BL, though. You would have won easily b/c you don't kill Zeph who you're near confirmed status with. Assuming that you kill Zeph, though, I think you still have a fair shot at getting BL lynched.
No. No, no, no.
There's absolutely no way I could leave Zeph alive, and kill Dirkzor. Zeph might have been mildly suprised that marv died instead of me on n2, but there's no way he believes scum kills Dirkzor over me on night 3.
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But it's the truth. The status quo was that one of the two of us would be killed. Zeph because he was confirmed, or me because everyone had a town read on me and was extremely active. Both of us living through the night would have immediately sent up red flags, IMO.
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