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Sorry I'm a bit late to the day starting. I got Guild Wars 2 yesterday, so I've been kind of addicted to that.
Okay, so I'm like 90% sure that we've caught the scumteam in BL+prplhz.
Laying out my points for them being a scumteam again:
1) BL's only read towards prplhz the entire game was
On September 11 2012 22:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Oh fuck, vaderseven.
Why the fuck are you guys for pointing at me for lynching a medic that didn't BOTHER defend and claimed in the last 10 minutes? only because of an impending modkill.
Looking over some other stuff, prplhz looks like a fine lynch target, but I guess I should be more careful when pushing people.
....which came last night. After people already started pointing fingers at a BL+prplhz scumteam.
2) Early on during the Risen fallout, BL gave Risen a town read while completely ignoring prplhz, despite the fact that he gave Risen a town read BECAUSE of the case on prplhz. Why wasn't he at least suspicious of the person his town read had a case on? Or not even be suspicious of prplhz, I just don't see how he could completely IGNORE it.
3) After all their ignoring each other day1, prplhz comes out with a fully fleshed out case during n1 against BL. Where did that read come from? Granted, a townie could do that too, but the kicker: after his case (the only real case prplhz has made all game that wasn't a throwaway case on the person who already had a majority vote and set to be lynched), the only time prplhz attempted to "push" the case was saying "All the cases on Zeph are bad, why is everyone ignoring my case on BL". That doesn't feel like someone trying to lynch BL, it feels like someone trying to SEEM like he wants to lynch BL. He literally never tried to get any traction going on the case at all, or added new information to it. They both just lurked the whole day away.
However, like I said, I don't think a BL+Dirk team is impossible at this point. I honestly had basically a 100% null read on Dirkzor all game, because I feel like he's sort of floated by under the radar, being active but not impactful. At least until the Zeph claim yesterday. I already laid out the chain of events, but here it is once more for convenience (and easier to read, this time)
1) Zeph claims cop, and people realize he's telling the truth and start unvoting. Note that his vote was on Zeph, with his only reasoning being he was sheeping Ange's case from n1.
2) I asked people to go look back into vader again and consider him as a vote candidate now.
3) Zeph proposes a case on BL instead, and votes him
4) Marv agrees with the BL lynch and votes, and gives an "uninterested townie" read to vader
5) Dirk steps in with a large case on vader, and convinces everyone onto him instead because he has a town read on BL.
Even after this, he still gives a town read to BL. Except, as soon as vader flips:
On September 11 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote:
I can get behind a BL lynch but I would much rather lynch prplhz. The reason for me to go against a BL lynch earlier was that it was to easy ot get him lynched. BL rarely post more then a few times a day and thus would not gives us anything to work with and i don't find him too scummy this game.
Now at lylo that doesn't really work anymore since we need to get the mafiosos.
I still think prplhz is the most scummy with BL/marv/kei coming behind (in that order). I didn't add zephirdd because he will most likely die. If he doesn't I'll think about then when it happens.
He says he could get behind a BL lynch, but is still soft defending him and wanting to lynch prplhz first.
So, while I do still think BL+prplhz is the scumteam, the chance of BL+Dirk is too high to ignore. I would rather have to make the decision between prplhz vs Dirk in 2-1 LYLO with a confirmed scum dead, than lose today because I was slightly wrong. Either way, in both cases, BL is scum.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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So you think prplhz+Dirk scumteam?
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Right, I thought your post meant you were reconsidering your vote on Bluelightz into a vote on prplhz, because you were worried about prplhz+Dirk scumteam. My bad 
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Yea, these different time zones are annoying. We're basically on completely opposite schedules. Dirk/BL/prpl post while I'm sleeping, and you and I post while they're sleeping.
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Rofl, the vote on the confirmed cop? I dont even.......
Okay, I pm'd to vote for shorter day too.
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I was reading through filters again, and particularly the last day, when this struck me:
On September 12 2012 21:19 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't like Dirkzor, as well as Zeph, they're a scum team. Ive realised the connection between them (Hopefully). But, right now Zephirdd is more believable as scum, why? if Zeph was a Parity Cop, why in the bloody hell didn't scum kill him? He was only roleblocked (Although I would agree on marv being more useful).
##Vote: Zephirdd
Random ramblings:
We shouldn't,we're dead, D E A D dead if scum simply pulls a last minute vote switch on a random townie.
If BL is town, why would the scum need to last minute vote switch away from him? The game would be over if he was lynched.
So, he proposes an alternative vote to himself. Then if he can convince even one townie that he's not scum, his scum partner can jump in with a last minute switch and win the game himself.
Yea, BL is scum.
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EBWOP: Of course, his vote at the time was on the confirmed cop. He changed it to Dirk later, but the intention is still the same.
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On September 13 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote:
no idea why you think i'm scum when i proposed bluelightz with a serious case before anybody else did
Because you weren't actually trying to get him lynched. You posted your case, then basically ignored him and lurked all day.
And here you are trying to buy town cred for your case on BL once he flips scum.
Not buying it.
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EBWOP: In fact, you never even voted him. Yet you acted "upset" that no one else was buying into your case and voting him.
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On September 14 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote:
Not everyone voted at the time and your saying that I'm proposing people to vote me?! ME?! a fucking townie?
The only person who hadn't voted at the time when you made that post was prplhz, who I still believe to be your scum partner.
And I didn't say you were proposing people to vote for you. You proposed an alternative lynch to yourself, and if you could convince one townie that you weren't lying, then prplhz could hop in with the last second vote and you would win the game.
And, you care about the game? You voted for the fucking confirmed cop. Unless you yourself are the cop, or you think that Zeph and I both lied about being roleblocked and you are BoxeR. There's literally no other possibility.
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On September 14 2012 00:34 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:32 Keirathi wrote:On September 14 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote:
Not everyone voted at the time and your saying that I'm proposing people to vote me?! ME?! a fucking townie?
The only person who hadn't voted at the time when you made that post was prplhz, who I still believe to be your scum partner. And I didn't say you were proposing people to vote for you. You proposed an alternative lynch to yourself, and if you could convince one townie that you weren't lying, then prplhz could hop in with the last second vote and you would win the game.
And, you care about the game? You voted for the fucking confirmed cop. Unless you yourself are the cop, or you think that Zeph and I both lied about being roleblocked and you are BoxeR. There's literally no other possibility. Convoluted logic on my mind, didn't read up on the claim.....I'm not BoxeR, one of you are. Oh, look, coincidence? Dirkzor and Keirathi being online together  ?
Exactly. Because you haven't cared about this game at all.
And coincidence! You're still defending prplhz!
Where did that read come from? You literally haven't mentioned him this whole game until you said "prplhz looks like a fine lynch target" during the night after people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam. Now you're saying that he's town, with some convoluted logic ("Because of his posting, it feels townie because no townie would be like that, EVEN THOUGH, that he didn't vote me while he thought me as his strongest scum read, I think that he's town").
You're just squirming because you realize you're caught and trying to muddy up the thread.
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On September 14 2012 00:39 Bluelightz wrote:
"We shouldn't,we're dead, D E A D dead if scum simply pulls a last minute vote switch on a random townie."
Point out the alternate lynch on MYSELF, I said I thought Zeph n Dirk were scum at the time, I didn't propose a alternate lynch on myself no shit.
I think you're misunderstanding me, or maybe blatantly trying to discredit me.
When you made that post, there were 3 people voting for you (Zeph, Me, Dirkzor). You put your vote on Zeph, and made a "case". If you get even one townie to follow your vote onto Zeph, then prplhz swoops in at the last minute with a hammer and you win the game.
Again, if you are a townie, then why would scum need to last minute switch off of you to win the game?. They wouldn't, because they would win the game by lynching you.
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On September 14 2012 00:53 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:50 Keirathi wrote:On September 14 2012 00:39 Bluelightz wrote:
"We shouldn't,we're dead, D E A D dead if scum simply pulls a last minute vote switch on a random townie."
Point out the alternate lynch on MYSELF, I said I thought Zeph n Dirk were scum at the time, I didn't propose a alternate lynch on myself no shit. I think you're misunderstanding me, or maybe blatantly trying to discredit me. When you made that post, there were 3 people voting for you (Zeph, Me, Dirkzor). You put your vote on Zeph, and made a "case". If you get even one townie to follow your vote onto Zeph, then prplhz swoops in at the last minute with a hammer and you win the game. Again, if you are a townie, then why would scum need to last minute switch off of you to win the game?. They wouldn't, because they would win the game by lynching you. Don't you understand that the warning I said applies to townies? It doesn't apply to you scum.
My point is, if Dirk and I are the scumteam, then we have no reason to pull a last minute vote switch because as long as Zeph is on our side, then we've already won. Literally the only need for scum to ever pull a last minute vote switch onto a random townie at that point would be if you were scum.
Also "funny" how you only decided to start caring about the game when your neck was on the line.
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Care about myself? I've put a ton of effort into this game, and you haven't cared about it at all. You put a vote on the fucking 100% confirmed cop because why? You were too lazy to actually read or care about what had happened so far?
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Counter question: why is my small interactions with Dirk scummier than your zero interactions with prplhz until people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam?
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On September 14 2012 01:09 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
Care about myself? I've put a ton of effort into this game, and you haven't cared about it at all. You put a vote on the fucking 100% confirmed cop because why? You were too lazy to actually read or care about what had happened so far? I haven't fucking cared? I CARE ABOUT THIS GAME. Town might lose again, because of me, because of me Town loses, even TheToast once even laughed at me about the so called "Curse of the Bluelightz", this is a demonstration of something I fucking care about, killing scum. What have been I doing all game? trying to find scum.
Care you show me where?
You called vader null twice, then suddenly (and without any posts from him in between) changed him to a scum read. Which you kept pushing on d2.
That's literally the only scum read you've given ALL GAME until now when its LYLO and your neck is on the line.
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On September 14 2012 01:11 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:09 Keirathi wrote:
Counter question: why is my small interactions with Dirk scummier than your zero interactions with prplhz until people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam? You know its impolite to answer a question with a question? answer my fucking question scum. Yeah like prplhz was worth talking about during the time I could post here, people started talking of "Oh let's lynch prplhz" in the what? final hours of Day 2, you know timezones right? How the fuck do I give opinions on prplhz when I'm sleeping in bed? when the deadline is when I wake up? Why do you think I post 12 hours after every deadline?
Dirk hasn't done anything impactful in the entire game. I never thought he was scum, and no one ever even talked about him being scum, so there was no reason to talk about him.
The difference is that prplhz HAS been a topic of discussion. Again, you didn't think it important to talk about prplhz during the Risen debacle? You gave Risen a town read because of his case against prplhz and the fallout from it, but didn't think prplhz worth mentioning? I don't understand how you as a townie could possibly have not cared about prplhz at all considering you had a town "read" on Risen.
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On September 14 2012 01:15 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:13 Keirathi wrote:On September 14 2012 01:09 Bluelightz wrote:On September 14 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
Care about myself? I've put a ton of effort into this game, and you haven't cared about it at all. You put a vote on the fucking 100% confirmed cop because why? You were too lazy to actually read or care about what had happened so far? I haven't fucking cared? I CARE ABOUT THIS GAME. Town might lose again, because of me, because of me Town loses, even TheToast once even laughed at me about the so called "Curse of the Bluelightz", this is a demonstration of something I fucking care about, killing scum. What have been I doing all game? trying to find scum. Care you show me where? You called vader null twice, then suddenly (and without any posts from him in between) changed him to a scum read. Which you kept pushing on d2. That's literally the only scum read you've given ALL GAME until now when its LYLO and your neck is on the line. Hey I read stuff! clearly I am not allowed to change my opinion after realizing something! Aaaaaand answer my bloody question scum.
You didn't even give a reason for your change of "opinion". You used the exact same reasoning to justify vader as a null read AND as a scum read. He literally did nothing else in between, but suddenly you changed "only talked about Risen" from a null tell to a scum one.
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On September 14 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On September 14 2012 01:11 Bluelightz wrote:On September 14 2012 01:09 Keirathi wrote:
Counter question: why is my small interactions with Dirk scummier than your zero interactions with prplhz until people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam? You know its impolite to answer a question with a question? answer my fucking question scum. Yeah like prplhz was worth talking about during the time I could post here, people started talking of "Oh let's lynch prplhz" in the what? final hours of Day 2, you know timezones right? How the fuck do I give opinions on prplhz when I'm sleeping in bed? when the deadline is when I wake up? Why do you think I post 12 hours after every deadline? Dirk hasn't done anything impactful in the entire game. I never thought he was scum, and no one ever even talked about him being scum, so there was no reason to talk about him. The difference is that prplhz HAS been a topic of discussion. Again, you didn't think it important to talk about prplhz during the Risen debacle? You gave Risen a town read because of his case against prplhz and the fallout from it, but didn't think prplhz worth mentioning? I don't understand how you as a townie could possibly have not cared about prplhz at all considering you had a town "read" on Risen. Show me when the topic started..... "funny" how you gave an opinion on your buddy when your being presssured . Oh, and OBJECTION1!!! Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 20:48 marvellosity wrote:On September 09 2012 20:15 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm with BL. Lets lynch Marv =)
##Vote: Dirkzorstraight omgus BL is just an awful player and i'm not sure he's ballsy enough to pull this off as scum. Dirkzor, however, should know better than to spout this nonsense. You kill one of the strongest players because he survives ONE NIGHT? No. Various options as to why I survived: 1) I am scum. Simple enough. 2) Scum considered Ange more dangerous than me at this stage of the game 3) Scum feared a medic prot on me 4) Scum saw BL talking this stupid nonsense and decided not to kill me (if BL isn't scum himself) 5) Something I didn't think of at this point Clearly someone voting Dirkzor = no attention at all!!!!
By the time I got back in the thread, that discussion was already over. Dirk said he was trying to bait reactions, but marv answered first, so Dirk pushed a case on Zeph.
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On September 14 2012 01:23 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:20 Keirathi wrote:On September 14 2012 01:15 Bluelightz wrote:On September 14 2012 01:13 Keirathi wrote:On September 14 2012 01:09 Bluelightz wrote:On September 14 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
Care about myself? I've put a ton of effort into this game, and you haven't cared about it at all. You put a vote on the fucking 100% confirmed cop because why? You were too lazy to actually read or care about what had happened so far? I haven't fucking cared? I CARE ABOUT THIS GAME. Town might lose again, because of me, because of me Town loses, even TheToast once even laughed at me about the so called "Curse of the Bluelightz", this is a demonstration of something I fucking care about, killing scum. What have been I doing all game? trying to find scum. Care you show me where? You called vader null twice, then suddenly (and without any posts from him in between) changed him to a scum read. Which you kept pushing on d2. That's literally the only scum read you've given ALL GAME until now when its LYLO and your neck is on the line. Hey I read stuff! clearly I am not allowed to change my opinion after realizing something! Aaaaaand answer my bloody question scum. You didn't even give a reason for your change of "opinion". You used the exact same reasoning to justify vader as a null read AND as a scum read. He literally did nothing else in between, but suddenly you changed "only talked about Risen" from a null tell to a scum one. I'll keep it short n sweet: I'm not gonna vote for my town reads (Hey! Zeph & Risen! kewl). Who should I vote?!!! Read about v7? Hey! I think he looks scummy! I shouldn't vote him because he didn't shit in between my post's! or that it was just too sudden of a change of mind! Here's some proof of why I'm townie, I ain't scared to post whatever. Voting the "confirmed" Parity Cop? Oh that Bluelightz (as a townie) for ya! crazy I know.
So your justification on the vote for Zeph is that you are terrible? LOL
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