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On September 07 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote: pick one and tell me what makes your read so good on them Keir. My case on him is solid imo. | ||
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2) "I was going to point out scummy stuff, but I couldn't find much and I'll just wagon." 2a) I did laugh off the early pressure. What are you talking about? I'm still laughing off your and the three other guys' votes. Note my recent posts. Nice try v7. That's a lot of talk and yet you don't actually reference much. I find it interesting that you can find my posting as the day goes on MORE scummy when Dirk Dirk finds it LESS so. You scum trying to justify your lynch without actually saying anything scummy about me? | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:13 marvellosity wrote: As already mentioned, I would get no town credit for it. Anything with substance to say? I was just responding to Ange's question here. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2012 19:38 Ange777 wrote: @Risen: Explain this! If I was someone else and saw Risen get lynched it would hold a small amount of weight in my mind as town cred for people who weren't on him. Is this bad? Maybe, but that's just how it would be for me. | ||
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1) Says he most likely won't be voting me at deadline, still hasn't unvoted me and now he's conveniently going to be absent around deadline. 2) Outs his "town reads" openly in thread. As a town player there's no reason to do this you'll just get your town reads shot. As scum there's plenty of reasons to do this since it makes the person you're calling town like you. 3) Calls Keir scummy, and does nothing about it. I don't think there's a possibility of a Dirk/Keir scum team at this point in time, so I'm going to ##unvote We'll see what continues to develop in this thread and I'll place my vote on someone. I still have Keir as my top scum read, but Dirk is trying so hard to make it up there. | ||
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Yeah I'm going to ##vote: Dirkzor | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:30 Keirathi wrote: Gotta take my grandpa to the doctor, so trying to get a quick post in with my opinions on the other lynch candidates besides Risen, since I've talked about him enough and my opinion hasn't changed. Hopefully I'll be back before the deadline: prplhz: I dislike a lot of his posts so far, but I do agree with marv that he has seemed a bit more interested and invested in this game than dwarfs, at least up until this point. I don't rule him out yet. vader7: Null for now. Nothing he has done strikes me as particularly scummy, except his relative lurking, but not super townie either. Zeph: Dirk's list of things basically hit the nail on the head. Add in his wording earlier "Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta." That feels...weird? Like, as a townie without extra information, wouldn't a more appropriate phrase be "Risen isn't playing like his scum meta" or something? Leaning scum, but I'm not sure if I think he's more scummy than Risen. I'll think on it more while I'm gone. Hey look, there you go mimicking me again. Why do you think I'm scum? Seems to me you share my thoughts on a lot of things. Makes it weird that you're voting for me. It seems like I'm valuable to you so you can come in and claim thread presence later, when really all you do is echo what I and others have said in the past. | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:33 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: In fact, it feels like point 3 would give you more reason to think that we were a scum team, not less. Your logic leaps don't make any sense to me :o I disagree, I think he'd leave you alone entirely if he was your scum partner. I don't think it's smart for scum teams to bus each other day 1. | ||
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I'm trying to step away from the game and look at it as if I weren't Risen and someone else, but I can't justify voting Risen here. Who else has done as much for the thread? Who else has brought forward cases with sound reasoning behind them? I have yet to see proper defenses to the things I say, just people going, yeah that's scummy. | ||
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So what you're saying is, you've bussed people in the past, that is what you would do as scum, "see I'm town I'm not doing that!" Rings hollow to me. | ||
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On September 07 2012 04:44 Keirathi wrote: I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense. Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat. If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable. But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever. You're not me. You don't know how I think. I was giving an explanation for my first post in that line. That's it. There is no outside context. If I was responding to a direct question of whether I thought prpl was town or scum and said, "I never actually thought he was scum." THEN you could freak out like you and Dirk have over this insignificant line. As it stands, when taken in context, I said I didn't think he was scum, I picked him b/c his post was the scummiest thing in thread thus far. His response to that initial pressure was scummy as shit, just like Dirk's response is scummy as shit and doesn't actually answer why he was leaving himself an opening to get off me and onto you should you become the next wagon. | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:51 Dirkzor wrote: About the bussing. That wasn't about this game (while it is still true I would bus my teammate if I were scum) specificly. It was generel advace that you acn't think what scum or wouldnt do. And yes that was emotional because you basicly called me a liar about my personal life. Something I would never do to win a game of mafia. Why do you have to even bring your personal life up? I don't care about your shit, this is mafia. As it stands, it's awful convenient that your vote is on me and you will be gone. Scum Dirk doesn't have to lie about being gone. There's been plenty of time for town to get off me, but since there's 4 people on me, including you, then there HAS to be some townies on me. This means you're safe going away tonight and can leave your vote on me. I have no doubt that had someone else come into the thread and pointed out the things I've said about Keir and had people move onto Keir you'd have come in here with the same exact lines about being gone and swapped your vote to Keir. I don't see you actually DOING anything in this thread. You're leeching off other people and not making your own cases. It IS convenient that you will be gone, that in no way calls you a liar. Your initial conclusion that you'd be called out for lying is quite telling, scum. | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:56 Keirathi wrote: That's all well and good, but thats NOT WHAT ZEPH ASKED. You didn't answer his question when you quoted it, you answered a completely different question that had an easy answer rather than the real question that would actually get you to explain your reasoning and the way you were thinking. You're probably right. I'm just telling you what I was responding to. Whether or not I actually responded to that specific question is irrelevant. It's probably scummy, and I'll discuss it post-game. The problem I find I have is I sit down and just type whatever comes to mind without filtering it. This leads to contradictions that shouldn't happen, and me answering things that weren't asked in the first place. If I wasn't me I'd think it was scummy, but I'd also look at all the other things I've done in thread and realize that scum wouldn't push cases so hard or with so much logic. I think my cases are very logical, something you can't say about scum cases. Now, the case being pushed on me is somewhat logical, because I've made mistakes, but it is incomplete because it doesn't look at the great good I've done in thread, instead focusing on the small blunders. This is what scum do, eventually townies make small mistakes, some more than others because some are worse, scum finds these small mistakes and exploits them. It is a townies duty not to panic and instead to continue making logical cases, that way even if I'm lynched, there are now concrete town cases in thread. That's what bugs me about prpl and anyone else in this game. Prpl responded by shitting himself openly in thread. He didn't do anything logical, he's not helping town should he be lynched. Town should play as if they're always about to take a bullet or be lynched. I don't see that from Dirk, prpl, or v7. | ||
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Zeph/Dirk scum team is my read. Godspeed, town. Class for two hours so I'll be back with a couple hours to spare. | ||
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