EPTThere's no townie motivation for that. Period.
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Keirathi
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There's no townie motivation for that. Period. | ||
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On September 07 2012 00:54 Risen wrote: *snip* From Zephirdd's post "Why do you think prplhz is scum? Tell us chronologically." I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling. His reaction has not sat very well with me, but I really don't like your first sentence in that other post about me being town or at least playing to town meta or something. It just feels really superfluous to the point you were trying to make. Now you're just blatantly lying. "I NEVER ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM". But you said he was scum like 6 times before you said that quote. Can any townie possibly be this dumb? I mean, I know you have your pants-on-head retarded moments (Hint: your cop claim in Not Themed), but THIS dumb? | ||
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On September 07 2012 04:13 Risen wrote: TOWN DIRK AND KEIR WOULD NOT CONTINUOUSLY MISQUOTE ME! The whole line. "I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling." I think it's pretty clear that by saying, "When I made my first post prpl was the scummiest guy in thread. I didn't actually think he was scum, but as he sounded scummiest it seemed best to choose him as the target of my pressure." I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense. Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat. If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable. But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever. | ||
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Which part? | ||
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On September 07 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: Risen wasn't getting lynched at that point and Keirathi was to get something else going and he was looking dodgy too, I already expressed my suspicions of him in the thread. I read some of his other games then and this appears to be how he's playing all the time so not as worried anymore. Where did you call me suspicious? You argued with me about me calling your vote on Risen an OMGUS vote, and said something about me having a strong opinion on you based on that conversation. But I don't see where you ever actually said you had any suspicion towards me. You just hopped on the bandwagon after marv made his case, and with basically no reasoning. You're blatantly misrepresenting facts, just like Risen is. But fuck me, I don't see both of you being scum. That would be quite a ballsy play to hop on each other very first thing. | ||
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Vader has a vote on Risen but has disappeared, BL has a scummy feeling from Zeph and disappeared, Zeph has a vote on prplhz and disappeared. | ||
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On September 07 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote: I will tell you why your post was not formed in the manner of the most intelligent, prplhz, my good sir. Scum marvellosity sees something dodgy that Risen has written, and aggressively pursues scum Risen for it. He won't let it go and in fact makes scum Risen look worse and worse with each passing post. Having made scum Risen look awful to the thread, to the point where everyone is piling on to him, scum marvellosity decides to remove any credit he might have for the flip by unvoting him without much reason. Therefore scum marvellosity's masterplan is to get scum Risen lynched completely unnecessarily and give himself no credit for it. scum marvellosity is a fucking genius. Something about this post bugs me. You're right, it doesn't make sense from the perspective of scum marv bussing scum Risen. What about scum marv and townie Risen, though? You're acknowledging that your posts are (at least partly), responsible for the Risen wagon that is forming. But you unvoted and distanced yourself from it. Hmm... | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 07 2012 06:09 Risen wrote: It's like you're me in the past, but in the future. Is there a reason you're mimicking everything I say? Honestly, I didn't see your post until you asked me this. The last post I saw on the other page was the one about sarcasm, and then i started typing up my post about prplhz. When it started a new page, I didn't realize there was an extra post to go back and look at. | ||
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prplhz: I dislike a lot of his posts so far, but I do agree with marv that he has seemed a bit more interested and invested in this game than dwarfs, at least up until this point. I don't rule him out yet. vader7: Null for now. Nothing he has done strikes me as particularly scummy, except his relative lurking, but not super townie either. Zeph: Dirk's list of things basically hit the nail on the head. Add in his wording earlier "Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta." That feels...weird? Like, as a townie without extra information, wouldn't a more appropriate phrase be "Risen isn't playing like his scum meta" or something? Leaning scum, but I'm not sure if I think he's more scummy than Risen. I'll think on it more while I'm gone. | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:23 Risen wrote: I don't think there's a possibility of a Dirk/Keir scum team at this point in time, so I'm going to Why not? You were thinking yesterday that it was a possibility. What made you change your mind? | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:38 Risen wrote: Zeph: Dirk's list of things basically hit the nail on the head. Add in his wording earlier "Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta." That feels...weird? Like, as a townie without extra information, wouldn't a more appropriate phrase be "Risen isn't playing like his scum meta" or something? Leaning scum, but I'm not sure if I think he's more scummy than Risen. I'll think on it more while I'm gone. Hey look, there you go mimicking me again. Why do you think I'm scum? Seems to me you share my thoughts on a lot of things. Makes it weird that you're voting for me. It seems like I'm valuable to you so you can come in and claim thread presence later, when really all you do is echo what I and others have said in the past.[/QUOTE] Yes, you pointed it out first. But you havent mentioned it again since people started talking about Zeph, and I felt it was pertinent for my feelings towards him. | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:38 Risen wrote: Hey look, there you go mimicking me again. Why do you think I'm scum? Seems to me you share my thoughts on a lot of things. Makes it weird that you're voting for me. It seems like I'm valuable to you so you can come in and claim thread presence later, when really all you do is echo what I and others have said in the past. Yes, you pointed it out first. But you havent mentioned it again since people started talking about Zeph, and I felt it was pertinent for my feelings towards him.[/QUOTE] EBWOP Formatting. | ||
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On September 08 2012 01:53 Risen wrote: Since other people who I care about will probably think this is important or something... I thought I had already made my stance on this issue clear in the thread, but apparently I have to reply specifically to this post. You're not me. You don't know how I think. I was giving an explanation for my first post in that line. That's it. There is no outside context. If I was responding to a direct question of whether I thought prpl was town or scum and said, "I never actually thought he was scum." THEN you could freak out like you and Dirk have over this insignificant line. As it stands, when taken in context, I said I didn't think he was scum, I picked him b/c his post was the scummiest thing in thread thus far. His response to that initial pressure was scummy as shit, just like Dirk's response is scummy as shit and doesn't actually answer why he was leaving himself an opening to get off me and onto you should you become the next wagon. That's all well and good, but thats NOT WHAT ZEPH ASKED. You didn't answer his question when you quoted it, you answered a completely different question that had an easy answer rather than the real question that would actually get you to explain your reasoning and the way you were thinking. | ||
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On September 08 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote: Meh, ok thanks Yea I noticed it too, so I had to check. The timeline worked out. | ||
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On September 08 2012 06:00 Risen wrote: 1) He backed off prpl. I've shown I never backed off prpl, but this continues to be a cry from too many people to have it just be scum shouting it. Hence, horrible town. But you did back off prpl. Even if I give you the BotD that you were answering "Why did I vote prplhz 3 posts into the game" instead of "Why do you think prplhz is scum", you still maintained for a lot of the day that prplhz was scum. I can quote all the times you mentioned your scum read on him again, if you want. I'm not even talking about your first post, just the ones after it. But a few hours ago, you said something along of the lines of "I don't think prplhz is scum, I think he's a bad townie. Forget him and lynch Dirk/Zeph/etc". Also, I do have a question for you: What part of your meta, specifically, are you trying to change? I was under the impression that you were just trying to work on your attitude, because thats what you said you were working on in Not Themed. Your attitude has nothing to do with the meta argument that marv made against you, so your questioning of him because he made a meta argument about your townie playstyle, NOT your "FUCK YOU YOU'RE DUMB" attitude meta, doesn't make much sense to me. | ||
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Then there's things like this (emphasis is my own, and spoilered cause long quotes): + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2012 02:06 Risen wrote: You're probably right. I'm just telling you what I was responding to. Whether or not I actually responded to that specific question is irrelevant. It's probably scummy, and I'll discuss it post-game. The problem I find I have is I sit down and just type whatever comes to mind without filtering it. This leads to contradictions that shouldn't happen, and me answering things that weren't asked in the first place. If I wasn't me I'd think it was scummy, but I'd also look at all the other things I've done in thread and realize that scum wouldn't push cases so hard or with so much logic. I think my cases are very logical, something you can't say about scum cases. Now, the case being pushed on me is somewhat logical, because I've made mistakes, but it is incomplete because it doesn't look at the great good I've done in thread, instead focusing on the small blunders. This is what scum do, eventually townies make small mistakes, some more than others because some are worse, scum finds these small mistakes and exploits them. It is a townies duty not to panic and instead to continue making logical cases, that way even if I'm lynched, there are now concrete town cases in thread. That's what bugs me about prpl and anyone else in this game. Prpl responded by shitting himself openly in thread. He didn't do anything logical, he's not helping town should he be lynched. Town should play as if they're always about to take a bullet or be lynched. I don't see that from Dirk, prpl, or v7. On September 08 2012 04:31 Risen wrote: You're probably right. I was expecting people to go through and ask questions about my play. I'd respond by saying what I was thinking at the time. By doing this people would actually read the thread and realize I'm town b/c I can respond to any "contradiction" posted in this thread, and have, to show that there are no contradictions. People still harp on it, though, b/c they're too lazy to actually read the thread. That's why v7's claim of having read through the entire thread rings really, REALLY hollow to me. I doubt he did, or if he did he skimmed it. So either lazy town or scum claiming lazy town. Post-game discussion from me will revolve around how atrocious town is, and how awesome scum is for relying on a lazy town (or rather, how sad it is that a scum team can rely on town to be lazy) As for favorite ice cream? Tie. Mint chocolate chip or cookie dough for sure. Damn that sounds tasty. In case you didn't get it from that, I'm town. We'll see what excuses derp townies come up with to excuse how bad they are. You say that you are aware that you are making contradictions because you're posting on the fly off the top of your head, then say you have no contradictions. You've flip-flopped on your reads every 30 minutes, without really PUSHING the cases. Hell, your vote isn't even on marv right now. Too many little things all add up to you being scum. | ||
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