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On September 14 2012 04:42 Gravan wrote:As a final aside, imallinson is critical of Mav's scumreads being based on lurkers, and is now voting on me on that very basis. Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:12 imallinson wrote:On September 12 2012 07:50 Maverick32x wrote:
Okay.
Just read through the latest lynch... I was planning on dropping my notes but it just would look cluttered so I'm going to settle with the people that I'm REALLY sure are mafia and give my explanation for it. I am ranking them in the order of my confidence in my read.
My top 3 are tied for number 1 reads.
ShiaoPi - Scummy. Really scummy. DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- this is copied straight out of my notes that I was taking.... Honestly.. just read through his filter/posts!! There is no way this guy is town. 0. No chance. I think he voted Z-Boson because he knew it would be a throw-away vote.
Shady Sands- just scummy. Hard defends Shiao. Argues with Hapa (town). DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- So similar to the play style of ShiaoPi and there seems to be some really slight buddying occurring. He continues to live in "Matthchew" land and never seems to snap into the current thread which kind of shows me a lack of understanding. His most recent attack on Gravan to be honest is just an attempt to push an early vote while scum is being successful.
Rewok- side steps responsibility constantly. He has ONE PAGE OF FILTER. (@!#*(@!* So either awful town, or scum.
DoYouHas Mementoss- Totally uninvolved. Voted me besides it having zero impact on the game.
Scummy. His ONE saving grace is that he repped DoYouHas... the only problem with that is DoYouHas was kind of scummy.... and Mementoss is doing just about nothing to save that... Also Shady's 'coin flip' indicates that one of his options is scum... and its Mementoss.
Toadesstern- Random poker talk? Discusses roles bit. Rustles up the forumite case based off a different game. Makes an interesting accusation that either Grush OR sandy is scum… makes me think Grush is likely town and Shadey is scum based on my reads above. Defends Shady shortly after that "Or" post and soft attacks him same post indicating some sort of ambivalence about being too closely connected. DISAPPEARS when its voting time, even though he kind of was a major advocate of the Forumite lynch at the start.....
slosh- posts late. Softly attacks forumite. References past games a lot. Afks most of the game when discussions are getting active. Gets active on Forumite then gone. He references that scum's plan is likely to lay low.. which is exactly what he is doing.
So there you have it. It will take a miracle from God to get me to vote anyone but those top 3. The bottom 3 have some leverage to work with, but not much. Does anyone else find this post really off. His 'top 3 scum reads' is just a list of lurkers there isn't anything substantive to go on. By now there should be more to build a case on than 'disappearing around the vote'.
Ok, this is just straight up bullshit. The reason why I'm voting you has nothing to do with you lurking. It's to do with you soft defending Matt day 1 but more this:
On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote:I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote:
There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing. . The first thing we get day 3 is this + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote:
At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows?
Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite. On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote:
To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him. which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy. The fact that you are lying about the case against you to make it seem less strong is just making me think you are scum even more.
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EBWOP: You also completely brushed aside what sloosh said about you with the same thing when his reasons for voting you weren't based on lurking. You are scum and need to die now.
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@mmtoss
Mav fits the lurky scum picture really well. Honestly I can see them both being scum because Gravan has conveniently ignored the mav case in his recent posting. As for why Gravan over mav, I would have had them as equally scummy until Gravan lied about the case against him to make it seem weak.
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@Gravan
Why do you keep insisting that the case against you is only based on day 1 and lurking when that isn't true. Also Shady isn't the only one to make a case against you.
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I find it interesting that the two top candidates for a lynch haven't voted for each other. This doesn't really make sense from a town perspective. If you are town you know 100% you are town and the same cannot be said for the other person. Surely in that case it is better for town to lynch the person you are not 100% sure is town. The only reason you wouldn't want to vote for the other person close to being lynched is if you were both scum. It's very unlikely at this point that shady or shiao are going to get lynched yet mav and gravan have their votes on them.
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... and then sloosh ninjas me and makes a shady lynch much more possible.
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On September 15 2012 01:51 Gravan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 01:36 imallinson wrote:
@Gravan
Why do you keep insisting that the case against you is only based on day 1 and lurking when that isn't true. Also Shady isn't the only one to make a case against you. Then what is it? Really? What are the strong points out there?
Well I'd like to know about this. + Show Spoiler +On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote:I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote:
There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing. . The first thing we get day 3 is this + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote:
At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows?
Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite. On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote:
To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him. which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy.
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Ok so Gravan actually answered my question half decently and sloosh's case is good. Especially the part about his explanation for voting matt. Feels like he is justifying it to himself because the reason town would vote matt is obvious.
##Unvote: Gravan
##Vote: StrongandBig
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that makes it 5 & 5 gravan is still set to be lynched
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On September 15 2012 06:59 Kreb wrote:
This could be the best (or worst) play ever :p
well we will find out really soon
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On September 15 2012 07:16 Shady Sands wrote:
What the fuck is happening here?
winning
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More seriously I'm thinking a Shady lynch seems like a decent idea. He has been super lurky all game and hasn't done any scum hunting. The ninja sheep voting and his strong town read on SnB really makes him look bad.
##Vote: ShadySands
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On September 17 2012 05:03 Kreb wrote:
Well this thread died :p
WCS Europe is distracting.
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I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum.
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What in that is a scum slip?
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On September 19 2012 04:29 grush57 wrote:We, we , we
I'm talking in theoreticals. I'm saying if Shiao's reads are correct then why would have bussed SnB when there was no need to.
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On September 19 2012 17:22 ShiaoPi wrote:Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.
Why? First off imallinson: All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum. is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote. ##vote: Imallinson
If anything I'd say Hopeless being killed makes me look more town. Why, if I was scum, would I base my defence on someone who I know is going to die and who's dying makes me look really bad. I haven't been here since the day post due to trying to sleep/a bit of actually sleeping/waking up feeling like shit. If you look at my previous posting I've always either posted something quick if I had a strong read after the day post or nothing at all. As for the supposed bus of SnB it would make no sense from a scum perspective. Although I wouldn't know hopeless was around I knew Gravan was and if I was scum would have known he was town and would have switched his vote. As for who I think is scum I think Grush and BM look like a really obvious scum team. Your reason for for not thinking that is meta based and we've already had a terrible mislynch based on meta so I'm reluctant to go on that again. Both Grush and BM have been very anti town all game. You I see as definitely town because there is no reason for you to fake claim when you did. Darth is possibly scum but has generally played pro town so I'm much less sure about it than Grush or BM.
##Vote: Grush
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On September 19 2012 20:44 ShiaoPi wrote:
If gravan had been mislynched, imallinson would have looked much better than all of us who were on Gravan, easily could have swayed town to lynch either SnB the next day, which would give imallinson even more town cred, or lynch one of the bandwagoners on gravan
So your reason for me being scum is that I keep deliberately making myself look more scummy. How is that a reason for being scum? That behaviour makes no sense as town or scum. Thus we are left with me flipping from Gravan to SnB for another reason i.e. me thinking the case was better on SnB which is a town motivated play.
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On September 19 2012 20:52 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:34 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2012 17:22 ShiaoPi wrote:Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.
Why? First off imallinson: All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense: On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum. is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote. ##vote: Imallinson If anything I'd say Hopeless being killed makes me look more town. Why, if I was scum, would I base my defence on someone who I know is going to die and who's dying makes me look really bad. I haven't been here since the day post due to trying to sleep/a bit of actually sleeping/waking up feeling like shit. If you look at my previous posting I've always either posted something quick if I had a strong read after the day post or nothing at all. As for the supposed bus of SnB it would make no sense from a scum perspective. Although I wouldn't know hopeless was around I knew Gravan was and if I was scum would have known he was town and would have switched his vote. As for who I think is scum I think Grush and BM look like a really obvious scum team. Your reason for for not thinking that is meta based and we've already had a terrible mislynch based on meta so I'm reluctant to go on that again. Both Grush and BM have been very anti town all game. You I see as definitely town because there is no reason for you to fake claim when you did. Darth is possibly scum but has generally played pro town so I'm much less sure about it than Grush or BM. ##Vote: Grush Yes, I employed WIFOM in my read on you, but I believe more into my version of events than yours!  Furthermore of note if you have me as secure townread, you know we are at lylo and you know I won't vote Grush based from my posts, why wouldn't you vote Darthpunk instead? You are doing the same as DP, splitting up towns (as if you are townie  ) votes. geeeeeeet him!!!
Because we still have a day and a half to go. Because I think Grush is a lot scummier than DP. Because I still think you can be persuaded. But since you've decided talking for the rest of the day is a waste of time I guess that was stupid of me.
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