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slOosh
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Dear lurking town: stop it. If anything scum team are hiding because they don't have much thread presence. You are giving them room to hide. I don't care if you are blue, cause roles don't win games. I guess a bunch of them could be assassins or something. But that's stupid too ... | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Furthermore, that doesn't even include the validity of the claim itself. Consider his claim true. Then GK delivered 1KP to BC. Then GK must have bombed into BM24 (as a vig shot on him or bombing into Ottoxlol is near impossible). 1KP is missing and must have been protected via medic / jailkeep, who chose to protect someone other than BC / BM24. Scum thought it is a good idea to 1KP to BC, Bomb BM24, and 1KP to someone else. It is much more likely that he is a liar and we should just lynch him. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 09 2012 03:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Why are you so intent on not lynching grush? Do you think his play has been pro-town or are you familiar with his town meta? Actually I don't understand this post at all. You are saying a grush lynch is better, but it is not not going to happen? So... BKE is a better lynch, with grush being a better lynch? wtf do you mean He wants to lynch Grush but its so close to deadline that he doesn't think its feasible to switch over properly. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 09 2012 03:18 Z-BosoN wrote: Wait, if instead GK bombed BC, wouldn't a watcher see GK if he's watching BC? Doesn't bombing count as visiting? Scum can visit up to 2 people since 1 for their role and 1 for factional KP. So GK could have delivered a KP on the same night as he bombed, and if tracked would show 2 people. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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On September 09 2012 03:19 Forumite wrote: At page 61 and catching up. I had a thought: What if scum only have their suicide-bomber kill 2 players with his ability and one of their nightkills, while the others hold their powers? They wouldn´t risk exposing anyone to watchers and trackers, while still getting a decent amount of nightkills. They lose 1 of their 2 nightly KP, save their Vigilante bullets for later, and don´t mind missing a roleblock use because it´s only the medic that they could gain anything from roleblocking. With Matt dying D1, I could see scum getting nervous and doing something like this. tl;dr: The lack of roleblocks and missing scum nightkill is because scum didn´t use all their abilities last night. Dunno what information you haven't yet read, but if scum are gonna use a suicide bomber they are gonna make sure it counts, especially because they lost Matt D1. Think simple. BKEXE is a liar. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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On September 09 2012 05:13 austinmcc wrote: EBWOP: by "easiest fakeclaim," I mean he could have claimed to vig ottoxlol, or protect some random person that didn't get killed. Instead he chose to claim something that directly interacted with a guy we know was a target last night, and that someone might have been on, and that causes us to do NK math. Any claim that ends in town doing NK math seems much more ... difficult, because then later stuff can prove/disprove you very easily. This basically boils down to "if I were scum I'd do a better job" which is not a good reason. I mean we've seen Mattchew fakeclaim, and you could have defended him on the same basis "if I were scum I would have double checked that they were not self aware". The fact is there is no good claim to make because the NK were pretty straightforward. | ||
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slOosh
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So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ... GK probably bombed ... so ... Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim. Gonna go cool off first. | ||
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slOosh
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Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list. | ||
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slOosh
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BM, you can check out Dwarf Mini for my latest (2nd time excluding Bureaucracy) scum game. I played in Mad Men, Movie Star Mini and Pick Your Poison as town (was innocent child in PYP). Only normal blue role I got was medic in Newbie III. Rest have been in setup games. Oh I think I was JK in Movie star. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 09 2012 06:42 imallinson wrote: I've been out all day and caught up with the thread on the bus home. The day is almost over so sorry if this is a bit hasty. I'm not buying BKE's watcher claim. First a few assumptions I'm making: 1) Mafia has one vig thus had effectively three kp night one not including GK's bomb. 2) Mafia used all their kp. Someone suggested they saved some to out blues but that seems like it would only work if pressure was being put on that blue so I think it's unlikely. 3) Mafia did not shoot Ottox. If BKE is watcher then GK must have bombed BM and shot BC without a double stack. Therefore we are missing two kp. The only way for this to happen is a combination of a medic/jailer getting a lucky save, a scum shot hit an assassin or the jailer rb'd a scum. To me this seems very unlikely because BC seems like the better bomb target and barring a medic saving BKE he should be dead. Also missing two kp feels really fishy to me. One getting blocked I could understand but two seems a little far fetched given the information available at the time (that no one apart from the two dead people seemed that town). What made you assume that mafia had a vig? | ||
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slOosh
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On September 10 2012 11:26 strongandbig wrote: slooooooo-o-o-o-o-o-oooosh why are you not playing like you normally do when you are town yoru not doing thissssss are you sucm or an assssassin? Because this isn't a normal game. All the lynches have been complete blowouts and half the town are lurking. It's harder to corral people toward good lynches when everyone is sheeping / lurking. I'm not even kidding. I can't even bounce ideas off properly. That said I think imallinson might be a good lynch and I'm asking to either strengthen my case or decide he isn't a good lynch. imallinson I would also like your read on Forumite. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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On September 10 2012 12:34 strongandbig wrote: it could be because i'm really tired but what's the case on imallinson? I don't see it in his filter and i'm not sure if someone's actually made it yet What's your read on him? Stop dodging. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 10 2012 21:58 Forumite wrote: I haven´t read the last few pages. What I get from rereading the Matt situation is that Z-boson looks very bad. He was avoiding talking about Matt except to softdefend and provides distraction cases until several people had all voted Matt. He then says he´s voting Matt but doesn´t while, providing a very wishy-washy reason for the vote. ##Vote: Z-boson This shows that Forumite doesn't care about the game. This is his very first mention of Z-boson, he is picking a target that is easy to hop onto, the reasons for scuminness could have been cited D2 but never were and he was not present for any of the discussion concerning him D2. Furthermore, he has not even drawn anything from the discussion as the only behavior he mentions is from D1. Couple this with several more instances of him not reading and general apathy to the game, appearing only when people start suspecting him. ##Vote: Forumite | ||
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slOosh
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On September 08 2012 23:41 austinmcc wrote: This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead. We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save. Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely. I take that as a vig shot on Ottox. More likely that he was roleblocked rather than hold off shot / target saved by medic or JK. Still don't like imallinson and will probably build a case on him after today, but Forumite is just blaring out at this point. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 11 2012 08:44 Maverick32x wrote: Ok, I just want to start off by saying I suspect Forumite is mafia and I will be voting for him. That being said- the amount of bandwagoning that just occurred for him to be our prime suspect is disturbing. If Forumite is NOT mafia, we NEED to focus on the people who are not contributing to a case- and start putting some pressure on them because they are just allowing us to kill each other and are just going to sit back the entire time. Sl00sh's weak "that doesn't show he cares" case is such a knee-jerk reaction to a single post. Hopeless1der: Bandwagons- despite forumite asserting that he suppported someone that hopeless was suspecting (Z-boson). Rewok- gimme a break. Imallinson- your weak vote is pretty damning. etc. etc.. Not sure if lazy town or scum. Refer to my post for Forumite reasoning. Guys I want to lynch Maverick. 1) He wants to wait for a Forumite flip before he starts focusing on the people "causing" the lynches. 2) He hasn't contributed anything to the Forumite case, nor the Z-boson case himself. 3) He spends the last cycle talking about lynching lurkers and totally dropped it this cycle. I'm wondering if a voteswitch will rustle up enough friction to catch some scum. What do you think Toad? | ||
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slOosh
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On September 11 2012 13:19 Maverick32x wrote: 1) I'm voting Z-Boson... 2)- I made a whole post on forumite.... 3)- Yup. I think my post did rustle up some friction.... Oh ok. Could you post the part where you present evidence that suggests Forumite is scum? | ||
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slOosh
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And Maverick, I understand your frustration that the lynches are basically one person going "I choose X" and then 10 lurkers popping out of nowhere saying "yea X is good choice" and going back to lurking. But that's what we have to deal with because our blues are stupidly lurking giving scum places to hide. Really, right now scum gameplan is probably lay low but not too much as to get caught until they can snipe off all the big town voices / blues protecting them. Otherwise they can't really come out since their history looks like utter crap. I mean same thing with Mattchew, only a handful of people decided to act before the announcement. Post announcement everyone followed suit and you can't distinguish scum easily. And scum will continue to do it because a stupid / lazy town is letting them do it. You will probably get the same exact feeling no matter who is getting lynched. | ||
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