On August 28 2012 06:48 Chezinu wrote: Dj, you need to fix your tune. I don't understand why you care so much for no lynches. Why do you want no lynch so bad?
I didn't say I wanted a NL, it was just a coincidence. And Lynch or NL, voting evidence still persists. And you still have not defended yourself or explained about your voting patterns. Only thing you did was to counterattack me.
On August 28 2012 06:51 Chezinu wrote: Oh and I'm loving the suspicious thanks for protecting me
Why do you care about protections in the first place? The fact that you're thanking people for it shows that you need it. Town don't need protection, scumbags do.
On August 28 2012 13:39 Bluelightz wrote: ##Vote: Chezinu
Still hasn't responded to my case and keeps on making useless post's.
hey BL, why Chez, who always trolls with useless posts, and not talis, who is usually an active townie?
Why not ask the same question to DJ? Why did he vote Chez over talis?
I have a huge suspicion that there is some alignment between DJ and Marv.
The way they attack other people here besides themselves and thier protection of each other with posts. Also, they where the ones who made the mislynch happend. VE was unavailable at the time becuase of the request of the transfer. So could it be possible that these two purposely made this no-lynch happen on DJ? We only needed one vote which could have been Marv's vote but he refused and stuck with his vote making it a no-lynch.
#FoS Marv #FoS DJ
Because I already explained myself by saying that iamperfection/chezinu/talismania are my top scum reads?
On August 28 2012 21:43 Djagulingu wrote: EBWOP: Why not stop with the OMGUS you started on Day 1 against me, marv and shady (or just me and marv)?
Becuase I am breaking you to your knees and it is working. You and marv are showing huge alignments between each other and it showed that in just a few posts before this one. You already confessing yourselves by the way you are reacting to me and my posts.
No, you're basing everything you do, all that "breaking me to my knees" piece of shitty shit on a stupid OMGUS, which leads you to refuse reading whatever I write as the reasons of my actions and blame me and marv like a mad man.
On August 28 2012 21:58 marvellosity wrote: Kville, this is just for you, as for some reason you decided not to play newbie games:
On August 28 2012 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
Associative cases - don't bloody do them until someone has flipped. They're bad. Somehow thrawn and YourHarry got tied together during Day 1 and Day 2. And to town's detriment. They were different alignments and yet people were tying them together as the same alignment. Just look at the damage it can cause. It led to the actions of one player being used to indict another player before either have flipped, which is just nonsense. I don't want to say TOO much about it, but remember this?
On August 20 2012 13:25 DarthPunk wrote: OK we are in a terrible situation. I blame myself for being active and building the majority of the case on Thrawn along with Goodkarma. whilst allowing others to contribute nothing at all. I had a very strong scum read on Your harry. But a lot of it was based on being scum with Thrawn and Obvious.
On August 28 2012 21:58 marvellosity wrote: Kville, this is just for you, as for some reason you decided not to play newbie games:
On August 28 2012 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
Associative cases - don't bloody do them until someone has flipped. They're bad. Somehow thrawn and YourHarry got tied together during Day 1 and Day 2. And to town's detriment. They were different alignments and yet people were tying them together as the same alignment. Just look at the damage it can cause. It led to the actions of one player being used to indict another player before either have flipped, which is just nonsense. I don't want to say TOO much about it, but remember this?
On August 20 2012 13:25 DarthPunk wrote: OK we are in a terrible situation. I blame myself for being active and building the majority of the case on Thrawn along with Goodkarma. whilst allowing others to contribute nothing at all. I had a very strong scum read on Your harry. But a lot of it was based on being scum with Thrawn and Obvious.
Then lets flip one.
#Vote DJ
Do I look like a coin to you?
Yes. o.o.
Do you have a strategy for the 0.5% probability (which is for you) that I flip town?
On August 28 2012 22:27 Kville wrote: I will gladly vote for lvdr gratefully, did you have a strategy that if they were both to flip town(lvdr and chez)? Well by then mafia would have taken a huge win so, I guess that was your strategy.
No actually, my strat was rather simple and you may consider it bad too: Push a target into lynch. If town: spot people who had no reason to lynch that target but still bandwagoned in, if scum: celebrate.
Your strategy is though even simpler and even worse: Lynch Djangbi. If scum: celebrate, if town: "Uhh.. well.. I guess that was a misstep". Or that's what I understand from what you're doing.
On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote: @ Marvelosity
So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that.
I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote.
His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here?
I'm surprised that this is not a newbie game but a normal. Here we go again:
1- I voted on my biggest scum read which was Lvdr, explained why I was doing that. 2- But Lvdr was still 60% scum, tops. There was nobody higher in the ranks though. So if he flips town, I needed something to find who the real scumbags are. 3- Chezinu voted for Lvdr as well, no explanation though. Filter check -> no explanation, no making cases, no explanation of his vote on day 1 either. 4- I called him out. 5- I realized that it was a mistake irl, didn't share it this time though, slept before the deadline, accidentally got myself lynched. 6- Turns out that my "mistake" is not a mistake because then, I see Chezinu bandwagoned on me too. End of D2, all of chezinu's votes were bandwagons on townies (at least 2/3 were), no explanations on votings, no making cases himself, no nothing pro-town. 7- Here I am, with my suspects and shit.
On August 28 2012 12:43 Shady Sands wrote: A couple possibilities with the Daypost:
1) Scum did not use their KP. 2) Scum used their KP but JK jailed a scum. 3) Scum used their KP but JK jailed their target. 4) Scum used their KP but medic healed the target.
On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote: @ Marvelosity
So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that.
I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote.
His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here?
Oh? He thinks Lvdr was town? You don't say..
as Said by DJ:
##Vote: Lvdr
Nothing about him makes me think that he's a townie.
"is" was clearly a syntax typo for "if", otherwise the sentence doesn't make sense. Get rid of your confirmation bias please.
So if lvdr was town then doesn't that make it seem like DJ is voting to lynch a townie as well?
You're sounding like my vote is enough to commence a majority lynch. What about the other (at least) 6 people who vote with me? The ones who make similar explanations to mine? The ones who bandwagon? That's what you're missing for the entire time.
On August 29 2012 02:48 talismania wrote: No response?
I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.
So you've got a scum read on DJ then?
I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.
Unlucky for all of us though, I was outside with a friend, playing volleyballs and shit. The actual trap was to see who is trying to benefit the most from a possible mislynch. Planned target was Lvdr. Like I said before, if he flipped scum, we would celebrate, if not, the actual plan commences: Find the people who most benefited from it, who most supported it with providing the least amount of info for that, compare the lynch on Lvdr with the lynch on Obvious.
After posting my actual plan and my prime suspect, resulting to shit and shit, I now had 1.5x more evidence than I actually intended for, against Chezinu.
The only reason I chose Lvdr to be the "bait" was because he was my top scum read at the end of day 1, but he was still 60-40 tops. I needed to have anything for both of that 60 AND the 40, 40% is too high to be neglected.
On August 29 2012 02:48 talismania wrote: No response?
I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.
So you've got a scum read on DJ then?
I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.
Got it.
Alright town it's getting close to that 24 hour deadline now. I'd like everyone to make cases on one or two people and post them before Midnight EDT (sometime in the next nine hours.)
Lurkers will get priority on any lynch/vigi lists I draw up. Move it.
OK Here are my 2 cents and 2 cases:
1- Chezinu: Sorry to say but he's bandwagoning for 2 days of game time without providing reasons. He bandwagoned on Obvious, then Lvdr, then me. After bandwagoning on me on D2, I'm only 8th in his list in D3. Some things don't make sense here.
2- IamPerfection: Furiously defending Chezinu without telling us reasons why we should also see him as a townie, attacking into me for what he sees as a scum slip, which is OK. What is not OK though is that he explains no reasons why he thinks that Chezinu is a townie, but he still defends him. I don't say that he has no reasons to defend Chezinu, on the contrary, he has plenty of them.
You get 2, you get 1 free:
3- Talismania: After explaining my thought process like 5 times or something like that, there have been 3 people criticizing me: Chezinu, iamperfection and Talismania. No more, no less. Spent entire day 2 lurking, then comes in to vote for me. Provides his reasons after a night and half a day in game time, which are weak considering how many times I've explained my thought process.
On August 29 2012 02:48 talismania wrote: No response?
I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.
So you've got a scum read on DJ then?
I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.
Unlucky for all of us though, I was outside with a friend, playing volleyballs and shit. The actual trap was to see who is trying to benefit the most from a possible mislynch. Planned target was Lvdr. Like I said before, if he flipped scum, we would celebrate, if not, the actual plan commences: Find the people who most benefited from it, who most supported it with providing the least amount of info for that, compare the lynch on Lvdr with the lynch on Obvious.
After posting my actual plan and my prime suspect, resulting to shit and shit, I now had 1.5x more evidence than I actually intended for, against Chezinu.
The only reason I chose Lvdr to be the "bait" was because he was my top scum read at the end of day 1, but he was still 60-40 tops. I needed to have anything for both of that 60 AND the 40, 40% is too high to be neglected.
On August 29 2012 04:18 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 03:50 talismania wrote:
On August 29 2012 03:13 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 02:48 talismania wrote: No response?
I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.
So you've got a scum read on DJ then?
I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.
Got it.
Alright town it's getting close to that 24 hour deadline now. I'd like everyone to make cases on one or two people and post them before Midnight EDT (sometime in the next nine hours.)
Lurkers will get priority on any lynch/vigi lists I draw up. Move it.
OK Here are my 2 cents and 2 cases:
1- Chezinu: Sorry to say but he's bandwagoning for 2 days of game time without providing reasons. He bandwagoned on Obvious, then Lvdr, then me. After bandwagoning on me on D2, I'm only 8th in his list in D3. Some things don't make sense here.
2- IamPerfection: Furiously defending Chezinu without telling us reasons why we should also see him as a townie, attacking into me for what he sees as a scum slip, which is OK. What is not OK though is that he explains no reasons why he thinks that Chezinu is a townie, but he still defends him. I don't say that he has no reasons to defend Chezinu, on the contrary, he has plenty of them.
You get 2, you get 1 free:
3- Talismania: After explaining my thought process like 5 times or something like that, there have been 3 people criticizing me: Chezinu, iamperfection and Talismania. No more, no less. Spent entire day 2 lurking, then comes in to vote for me. Provides his reasons after a night and half a day in game time, which are weak considering how many times I've explained my thought process.
8th in what list?
Oh, I understood your list wrong. Again, can you explain the reasons of your scum reads?
On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.
Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions.
On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote: @ Marvelosity
So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that.
I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote.
His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here?
I'm surprised that this is not a newbie game but a normal. Here we go again:
1- I voted on my biggest scum read which was Lvdr, explained why I was doing that. 2- But Lvdr was still 60% scum, tops. There was nobody higher in the ranks though. So if he flips town, I needed something to find who the real scumbags are. 3- Chezinu voted for Lvdr as well, no explanation though. Filter check -> no explanation, no making cases, no explanation of his vote on day 1 either. 4- I called him out. 5- I realized that it was a mistake irl, didn't share it this time though, slept before the deadline, accidentally got myself lynched. 6- Turns out that my "mistake" is not a mistake because then, I see Chezinu bandwagoned on me too. End of D2, all of chezinu's votes were bandwagons on townies (at least 2/3 were), no explanations on votings, no making cases himself, no nothing pro-town. 7- Here I am, with my suspects and shit.
Damn I should put that in bookmarks, I am fed up with explaining everything over and over
It is never securing votes or anything. Is my vote itself enough to commence a majority lynch or something? That I don't know? I'm saying that if Lvdr actually flips town, then Chezinu becomes my prime suspect because he's just bandwagoning and providing no reasons for his votes. You see the part of the sentence starting from the word "because" and ends with a dot? I've been using it for explaining all my cases and votes, regardless of my cases being actually right or wrong. However, I've never seen Chezinu, you and iamperfection using anything like this for any of your votes until the end of day 2. Which means that:
1- You have no reasons to vote for people, which means that you have no more than 25 iq. 2- You have reasons to vote for people but you're too shy to share that because it will simply be enough for you guys to reveal the fact that you're a bunch of scumbags.
I think it is #2, but even if it's #1, you deserve to get lynched. Because for #2, ratio of townies to scumbags will increase and for #1, the average iq level of the remaining players will increase.
Or:
3- You have really good reasons and you will share that and we will then think that you guys are actual townies and no longer have any reasons to believe that you're scumbags.
I've never seen any amount of #3 for anyone except for myself. What about the other people you voted for? Can you please explain your thought process behind your votes in day 1? Now that Chezinu actually got over his shyness and shit, I believe you can do it as well as he can.
Wow, Chezinu explained his thought process for once. That shit hit me hard. I need time to get myself together after that. I think I'll watch some Bibiane and sleep, calling this a (half) day.
Seriously: Does my vote have power to commence a majority lynch all by itself? Because people are acting like it is.
Sorry to say but he's bandwagoning for 2 days of game time without providing reasons. He bandwagoned on Obvious, then Lvdr, then me. After bandwagoning on me on D2, I'm only 8th in his list in D3. Some things don't make sense here.
Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you!
So you're basically saying you sheeped into Palmar because his ability to find scumbags is monster level. And then you voted Lvdr for the flip, sheeping on me, then you voted on me, sheeping on Shady and iamperfection. Sorry but this seems bad enough to me as I see no reason for sheeping. Palmar said that you're a monster scum reader, yet you didn't use this ability for once and sheeped all along.
Then you say that scum will never defend you because they always try to lynch you. This seems pretty much bullshit to me. There is some person in the game that is not doing scum reads, sheeping onto townies because some other person is doing so and doing the trolling business for the scum. Tbh you're the type of townie that scum would try and keep alive as long as possible, if that's what you are.
On August 29 2012 12:13 Kville wrote: Just for the sake of having some progress this day period I'll go for ldvr but if this kidflips town dj is done day 4.
##Vote ldvr
KVille what are your other reads? Could you elaborate on why DJ needs to be gone D4?
Seconded, I want an explanation why I'm done if Lvdr flips town.
I agree with talismania being a scumbag though, the only time he seriously made a discussion is today, against me. I'd expect more from townies.
don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards.
Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand
On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote: sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(
off to bed, I'll read through in the am.
So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this
On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote: ##vote: dj
Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps
Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit
## Vote talismania
Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.
He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me.
Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another.
And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest.
And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning?
EPT
thanks for protecting me 
