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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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The guy never endorses the lynch-lurker position, then lurks pretty hard himself. Why is he adopting such a lurker-friendly stance? Also, he drops one liners calling people out either 1) flinging baseless accusations or 2) not participating. If you look at those 2 claims, you'll realize he can essentially put everyone into those 2 buckets, as loud players go into bucket 1, and quiet players into bucket 2. So his MO is essentially a wash. Third issue is why he seems to go out of his way to make himself seem like an active participant: On August 23 2012 14:23 Bluelightz wrote: For now, ##Vote:marvellosity Some reasons 1. Takes the easy lynch target, and only because of him lurking, and doesn't provide additional reasons. 2. His post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional suspicion More reasons later as I read more :/ On August 23 2012 12:08 Bluelightz wrote: Well, I'm here. I'm honestly not sure why BL is constantly reminding people that he's here and promising additional analysis... and then not delivering. For those reasons ##FoS BlueLightz | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote: Why are you only FoSing him when you were quite happy to follow my vote on kville, backed up with even less reasoning? Because there wasn't a good case around at the time yet. But now there are a bunch of good cases. My reason I'm not voting him is because 1) I feel that the case on KVille is a lot stronger 2) BL hasn't had a chance to respond to the charges yet I generally believe in giving people a chance to respond before voting them. Seems fair that way. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:55 Kville wrote: I will cast it before i attend work, most likely it will remain to be shady. But lets look at the case: Obviously i'm just a bad townie. Who more to target than someone who blantantly messed upon entering. Scums only seek easy targets, which is why he never attacks VE becuase he is strong and will be almost impossible to attack during the day. I already made my name and he will use it until he completely seals the deal. The problem with the bad townie defense is that every tell associated with being a bad townie could also be associated with being scum. So KV constantly arguing he's a bad townie is a null tell in my opinion, which means he's done nothing to dissociate himself from the case on his head. On the other hand, if he built a case on something other than OMGUS, he might be able to persuade me. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:07 Kville wrote: 1. I never argured about being a bad townie until now? 2. I'm not trying to persuade you that i'm not a scum so it's irrevelant to provide any information to what you say. Why would I tell anything to a scum to further, inorder plant onto someone else? That is just helping you target someone. Your falling apart now Bro. ##Vote Shady Sands No, KV's been talking about being a bad townie for quite a while. There should be a solid case, which is where my mistake was given such little time given at this moment i cannot post one right now which is why I provided much little information about what i gathered about my suspects Which is the sole reason why I withdrew my vote. Im not a scum just quick reaction responses becuase of the scenario and place i was at (school). He now knows that since i am at a corner he can keep piling the bandwagon and keep attacking until the lynch comes and he will find others to attack and go back to strike again. Obviously i'm just a bad townie. Who more to target than someone who blantantly messed upon entering. Every single one of these quotes, from his first defense of why he unlisted Marv up til now, has contained some excuse or another for seemingly anti-town play. That's what I call a classic "bad townie" defense... and it's been ongoing. The second point KV makes here just digs him in further. I'm not trying to persuade you that i'm not a scum so it's irrevelant to provide any information to what you say. Why would I tell anything to a scum to further, inorder plant onto someone else? That is just helping you target someone. KV assumes that he no longer needs to persuade me that he's not a scum because I am scum. But there's still the rest of the town to speak to. Why does KV assume that the rest of the town won't care when he flat out says he no longer needs to build cases on anyone, because that would just "help me target people?" By that logic, wouldn't anyone building cases on anyone else be detrimental, because they could help scum other than me target people, given that there's more than one scum in this game? Clearly, that line of logic is incorrect. Ergo--the above quote is exceedingly anti-town, not to mention illogical, and further cements my read on him. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Gah there's not is there. JESUS WHY? All right... ##Unvote ##Vote: Obvious I thought there were WAY more votes on Lvdr. You're not sold on KVille? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:19 Bluelightz wrote: Don't have much time, have to sleep but i'll defend: 1.Is it not bad that people are just flinging around reasonless accusations? (or stuff) 2.Are the people I am accusing of not participating participating? 3.I said I am here, but I got too focused on games 4.Last promise, I'll deliver tommorow on my summary on marv (depending if my read changes or not, if it does change im going to do an analysis on the person its changed to) I'm still suspicious of marv though, so my vote is still on him, there's a small chance I'm going to be there for the lynch as well. This defense is weak. 1/2 don't address the point, which is that you can potentially auto-accuse anyone given your criteria. 3 is a cop-out and mostly null to me. 4 is really wierd because tomorrow = after the lynch, which means his analysis won't be of use until the lynchvote after a full Day/Night cycle. this is a huge scumtell in my opinion, because it means that BL is speaking under the assumption that marv will somehow survive past the night. The only two individuals who can feel that confident about marv surviving the night would be medic (targeting to protect from NK) or scum (not NKing marv.) Given that BL is accusing marv of being scum before a wagon has come into play, I highly doubt he is a medic planning to protect marv. The only possibility left is that he is a scum. For that reason, as well as the insufficient defense, I switch my vote to BL. ## Unvote ## Vote BlueLightz | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote: He comes across as townie. He was attacked, I feel he adequately defended...and your case on him reads as diversionary to the Obgious wagon Palmar is pushing. Because I am leaning town on Palmar and null on Obvious, the math is pretty easy.w Hang on, why do you feel BL is townie? Also if town Palmar is pushing a null Obvious, then how is a case that looks diversionary to that case a scumtell? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 04:14 Shady Sands wrote: Hang on, why do you feel BL is townie? Also if town Palmar is pushing a null Obvious, then how is a case that looks diversionary to that case a scumtell? Also, VE, by the same logic, if I read BL as scum, and you come in here launching a vote on Marv with very little explanation, then aren't you also scummy for playing diversionary tactics? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
BL KVille I'd be fine with a lynch on either one of these. Still need to re-examine Lvdr -- seemed really scummy when I left thread earlier, but now seems to have dropped below the radar. Will have to reread thread to figure out why | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Above all else, we need to avoid a no-lynch. | ||
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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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You've been by far the most active poster in the entire thread. Yet you can't be bothered to build a case for Marv, even though you're voting for him, even though he is NOT an easy lynch (one of the other big active posters here), even though it is 5 hours away from deadline. And you give no reason to lynch or not lynch BL other than the fact that you want to sheep the active townies. This sets you up to gain towncred after a BL green flip, which will likely happen given how hard it will be get another wagon rolling between now and lynch. This last point I just brought up is why I think you're scum, VE. BL's posting has been massively scummy and most reasonable townies who are reading this thread are including BL on their lists, even troll posters like Chez. In XXII, we had a similar situation, and the person that suddenly defended the "obvious lynch" ended up flipping GF. I nearly fucked up there and got a VT lynched because I was hell bent on tunneling the "obvious lynch." But looking at what's going on right now, I have major feelings of deja vu. In this case, I'm going to say fuck it. Even though there's 5 hours left I am not making the same mistake twice. ## Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 06:10 marvellosity wrote: Shady, I think VE is quite unlikely to be scum. Please vote for a candidate that might actually get lynched. Why? Other than a case on Lvdr he actually hasn't built a coherent argument. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 06:29 iamperfection wrote: stop wasting your vote shady get back in here. Alright fine. ## Unvote ## Vote BlueLightz I am much more suspicious of VE now, though. Why does he think BL is innocent? Why does he just go ahead and vote BL anyhow? This whole thing just smells funny. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Obvious The eff? This is going to draw us into a mislynch. Also WHY DO YOU THINK BL IS INNOCENT? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm trying to get ONE OF my scumreads lynched and not a townie. VE you still haven't answered my fucking question. Why is BL innocent. | ||
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