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DarthPunk
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On August 18 2012 06:13 Ochrow wrote: Thrawn's sheeping makes me suspicious of him, though I still have more of a townie read on him. Err. What? ##FoS Ochrow | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 18 2012 08:26 DarthPunk wrote: No. I am not saying you should investigate yourself. Is that what you genuinely got out of my post? No I do not think that you think that town thrawn should investigate to determine if thrawn is town or scum lol. But you seem to think that I and harry are most deserving of suspicion, and my post was an attempt to show why I, as town thrawn, am investigating archrun. I explained my read on yourharry, and the 'investigate myself' comment was a (probably lame) attempt at humor. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On August 18 2012 08:34 thrawn2112 wrote: No I do not think that you think that town thrawn should investigate to determine if thrawn is town or scum lol. But you seem to think that I and harry are most deserving of suspicion, and my post was an attempt to show why I, as town thrawn, am investigating archrun. I explained my read on yourharry, and the 'investigate myself' comment was a (probably lame) attempt at humor. Yep, which is why the post was not really directed at you. Because I think you may be scum. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Evidence of a shared QT: First, I’d like to bring to everyone’s attention the evidence that both Thrawn and Ochrow are sharing a QT. Shady has brought this up before, and so have I, but I don’t feel everyone has looked back on their filters to determine how obvious this is. Listed below, for your reference are the two posts that show this most clearly. Notice the timestamps, as they are identical. There is zero chance that one came in and later “copied” the other: On August 16 2012 05:27 Ochrow wrote: My two cents on Shady: My initial inclination when I see somebody being as aggressive as he is, this coming only from live games not forum, is that they are scum. However, every single time that I have been in this sort of situation and gotten a scum vibe from somebody being overly aggressive I have been wrong. So for me that history has me thinking that that Shady is town, just an incredibly aggressive one. However at the same time I think that he may be a bit overly aggressive and reading too much into people's posts, as he has made two rather strong accusations against Solar and JHyut that I feel are more or less unfounded. On Solar: As I originally said I felt that his play was not at all pro-town but, assuming he is telling the truth about the acting and that he didn't just pull it out of his ass, he has really turned around and is very much giving off a townie feel. On YH: So far I haven't really been able to get much of a read on him. While he was posting one-liners at the beginning, as he said he was actually able to get his point across in them, granted that his point wasn't always a great one to get across (ie Oh I have a secret read but I'm not sharing it). But since his explanation, which to me seems to be entirely understandable, he too is giving off a town feel. As for any reads I have, in most of the games I've played there has been at least one scum that was just purely a lurker, and as such I get a bit of a scum feeling from Archrun. He has only three posts all only a few sentences, long enough to not be pointed out as one-liners but only just. I guess I also get suspicious of any first post that just focuses on O hai thar I'm a townie yay killing scum. While I know everybody is trying to prove themselves as town I just get bad feelings when the substance of somebody's post is: On top of that in his three posts he doesn't get into what he thinks about who might be scum but is just theorizing or throwing out a soft defense. I may be totally off on here but until he posts a bit more or contributes something of substance I am going to throw out ##FoS Archrun As per Solar's question I hope this helps, and if there was any curiosity about the reasoning behind my general consensus post, it seemed like a lot of people were in more or less violent agreement over the Solar issue so I wanted to throw out my understanding of events in the hope that it might lead to shorter and/or fewer posts beating that dead horse. On August 16 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: Policy? A few people started talking about policy at the beginning and we never actually came to an agreement on that because of solar's trolling. Can we say whether or not we are going to FOS lurkers? Of course this doesnt not mean an automatic lynching, but it will help to keep everyone posting so that we can all get better reads. My vote is that yes, this policy should be put in effect, even though we have almost wasted the opportunity to do so. Concerning the YH topic: 3 possibilities immediately come to mind: One, that YH is being honest about him thinking that solar and gk are masons. That will explain basically all of his scummy sounding posting earlier in the game. Two, that he and solar are masons. This would explain his strong conviction that solar is town, and could also explain why he posted like he had information to hide. Three, YH and solar, or maybe just YH is scum. This would also account for the cryptic way he was posting. The only part that I'm having trouble with, is that 4 minutes after voting for me for being suspicious of shady, he unvoted me and changed his vote to solar. 21 minutes later is when according to him, he came up with his 'solar as mason' theory and unvoted again. So if YH is scum and solar is scum, why would YH ever vote for solar in the first place? It could be a sneaky manipulation but i doubt that is the case. This makes me believe that no, YH and solar cannot BOTH be scum. YH's quick changing of votes is what I'm currently looking at to see if I can make any reads as far as YH is concerned. At this point I think YH's alliance hinges on whether or not you believe his story about suspecting solar and gk of being masons. At one point in the game I was willing to indulge the thought that YH and solar were masons based off a weak read I was making, (the extra information YH was hinting at) so it is easy for me to believe that YH did the same. YH, for now I believe your story and do not think either you or solar are scum. Solarsail Just to confirm what I'm thinking, do we all trust solarsail's account of his first few posts, that he was trolling to get responses? I'm assuming we all do? Myself, I believe him. I don't think a player who posts like he initially posted would be able to post how he is posting now unless they were trolling. Initially he was the most scummy player, but at that point in the game less than half the players had even posted. As time went on I began to think that no he's not scum, but he's a town player who just doesn't understand what the tone of this game is supposed to be. Honestly solar you were posting like you had just come in from a sc2 tournament thread, it was very hard to know what to make of that. IMO you actually caused more harm than if you would have allowed the discussion to remain on policy talk. The first few pages of posting were very chaotic and full of people making baseless accusations set by the tone of how you chose to play the game. Yes, I do think that myself and maybe some other people are able to make reads off the situation you created, but I think that those reads could have come regardless of your trolling. mkfuba07, after reading my post do you agree with my claim that YH is town? If not, why not? Now look also at the nature of the posts. What is discussed is almost identical. Both talk about Solarsail, and both conclude that he is not currently suspicious. Both also conclude that YourHarry is town. This point should bring up red flags on everyone’s radars, as this is simply not the prevailing viewpoint of the thread at the time, and they both give pretty weak reasoning for their conclusion. Both also discuss policy lurker lynching. Here, Ochrow FoS’s Archrun (in the same post), and thrawn FoS’s Archrun about two hours later. What are the odds that that many different topics were discussed by two people randomly at the exact same time without the help of a QT? I’d say pretty much none. As I originally posted, though, I felt that two scum associating themselves this closely was nearly suicidal. I suspected them to be masons. But neither have come forward with such a claim, even as Thrawn was nearly lynched day one. Additionally, neither of them have been interested in scum-hunting, spending much of their energies with wishy-washy “I don’t know” posts on others’ reads and pursuing the lurker lynch of Archrun. I will lay this out in my posts against each candidate below: Case against Thrawn: So the underlying theme here is that none of these three is interested in scum-hunting. Let’s summarize Thrawn’s posting history, in chronological order: -Wastes a bunch of time discussing the possibility of an SK -dismisses case on solarsail as emotional response either town or scum could do -casts light suspicion on YourHarry -Summarizes stance on solarsail, magically decides YourHarry is now town, and starts “lurker lynch” policy -Tunnels Archrun -OMGUS votes Shady That pretty much sums up his play to date. The only real stances I’ve gotten from his play so far: -YourHarry is town because his mason case was “believable.” He has to date not said anything to address the scum behavior others have pointed out in YourHarry’s play. This is a weak claim with very little to back it up. I find it interesting that he doesn’t go so far as to determine Solar to be town by the same logic. Most players would say YourHarry is a neutral read by Thrawn’s logic, as believing YourHarry’s mason case was genuinely made does not in any way support that YourHarry’s case was made with a town motivation in the first place. He also has mentioned his FOS on YourHarry was hastily made, which is true. It didn’t really feel like he had any conviction behind it, and it feels like two scum trying to distance themselves. I originally said that he was thinking in binary. “If I can’t confirm YourHarry is scum, then he’s town.” But looking at how wishy-washy he’s been on SolarSail, this isn’t the case. This was a deliberate choice, and why I believe scum Thrawn is covering for scum YourHarry here. Regarding Ochrow: His posting history is much more straightforward, as he himself has been semi-lurky: -Take’s Thrawn’s same stances on YourHarry, SolarSail, and policy lurker lynching. -pursues Archrun aggressively on “lurker policy.” Tunnels him more after his weak case. -That’s pretty much it. What more can I say here? Ochrow is obviously not interested in active scum hunting. He has set out on a policy lurker lynch. Like Thrawn, he has declared YourHarry to have a “town feel” with little explanation. He goes after Archrun and tunnels him… Below is the quote, though, that condemns him as scum: On August 17 2012 05:54 Ochrow wrote: -snip- On Thrawn: I really can't get a read on Thrawn. To be honest when I first read Shady's post I almost instantly began to feel that Thrawn was scum but after reading his defense I do not think that he is. But I will say that I find him a bit too sheepish. It seems to me that anytime he a read that might be right he just jumps on the bandwagon without posting much of anything different unless heavily prodded, so I feel that this is something we need to look out for because it does feel somewhat scummy. On the case against Thrawn and I: I feel like once again Shady is reading too much into things. As far as the combined case claiming that we are both scum and are working together goes it is based almost entirely off of the timing of our post and the fact that Thrawn copied what I said. However, saying that we are obviously working together makes no sense when it is based purely off of the fact that the second person, in this case Thrawn, merely rewords a public post that I made. I can understand why you would be a bit suspicious, but by your logic one scum could just go around copying and rewording the posts of every person in the game and would therefore have to be in secret contact with every single one of them. The fact of the matter is that there was no insider information that was shared all that happened was that Thrawn piggybacked on somebody else's post and just agree with them. As for my fair and balanced posts or however it was that Shady described them, I simply have not been able to divine that much from what most people are saying, though I will admit to being a timid poster. But at the moment I don't feel I have solid reads on pretty much anyone and so the result of that is I try not to alienate people, though I understand why Shady would be suspicious of that because his goal seems to be to piss off everybody and alienate them all. On YourHarry: As far as the stuff from early on goes I believe his explanation in that he had a mason misread and I think that was it, and as I said before while he was posting very short messages he really didn't appear to have much to say outside of those short messages, but going by his posting history it looks like as soon as he started to get actual reads he began to post them. I feel that his swingyness is suspicious and that his posts haven't been great, particularly the case against GK, but I don't really get a scum read from him. -snip- As you can see, he claims that Thrawn “copies him.” This is literally impossible as their post that was similar was posted at the exact same time. In other words, Ochrow is lying. He also makes a few interesting points here about how YourHarry is still not scum, and also some wishy-washy stuff (that I have snipped out for clarity… I meant to put it back in but I have 8 mins to post this look at time stamp you can find the rest sorry guys…) about how he doesn’t think Shady is scum but wouldn’t mind voting him anyway. He also comments on a few lurkers, which is a pretty value-less thing that is easy for scum to do. In other words, he is not actively involved in the scum hunting. But let me say this again, as it’s the most damning evidence against Ochrow: OCHROW LIED TO US!!!!!!!!! There is no doubt in my mind at this point that both Ochrow and Thrawn are scum. They associated with each other far too closely to not have shared a QT. On top of that instead of coming clean about it (or just not saying anything), as I’d suspect masons would, they turn around and lie about it to try to cover it up! ##FoS: Thrawn ##FoS: Ochrow Now onto YourHarry: I have already said how wishy-washy he’s been with his voting. He will flash change vote people on a whim. His play is so sporadic (and imho terrible) that it’s hard to peg him as either scum or a really bad town. However, looking at his latest vote flip fiasco, I can safely say that he is probably the third scum. He switches to Shady with only a few minutes left in the day to go, after taking the same anti-Archrun stance that both Thrawn and Ochrow took. He goes on to discuss his reasoning for doing so.: On August 17 2012 14:11 YourHarry wrote: I have additional evidence why I think Thrawn is town, which confirm my scum read on Archrun. Minutes before the deadline the vote count was tied between Shady and Thrawn, with four votes each. Unless three scums were all already voting for ShadySands, if Thrawn is indeed scum, one of his scum partners would have tried to move his vote to ShadySands. While Shady was set to be lynched because he was the first player to receive 4 votes, it would have been still dangerous from scum's perspective because all it takes is one townie to switch his vote to Thrawn and the scum would be lynched. But this did not happen, which is consistent with Thrawn being town. Two possible scenarios that counter this argument are that: 1) Scums were simply not around to make last minute changes in this vote. This seems possible because it was pretty close to the deadline when I changed my vote from Shady to Archrun and Golbat placed his vote on Thrawn. This is not completely out of the question, but A) considering that scums still had one hour window to make the move and B) that scum Thrawn means that his scum partners would have been very well aware that Thrawn was a strong lynch candidate (based on discussion that happened hours prior to the deadline), I suspect that Tharwn's scum teammates would have been watching things closely. 2) Thrawn's scum partners were too hesitant to switch their votes, in fear that it would make them suspicious. This is possible, but maybe it would not have been too difficult to fabricate some wishy-washy with reasons for change in opinion. And I do realize that by my own analysis, my last minute switch in voting from Archrun to Shady could make me suspicious... But at this point, my scum reads were Archrun > Shady > Thrawn. So when it looked like Archrun lynch seemed impossible, I wanted to make sure Archrun lynch over Thrawn lynch happens. But in summary, until I changed my vote from Archrun to Shady, which happened like 2 minutes before the deadline, the scums had some window of opportunity to switch their votes to Shady (unless all three were already voting for Shady) in order to provide a some protection against last minutes switch of votes to their scum partner Thrawn. This is not a fool-proof evidence, as there are possible exceptions listed above 1) and 2) but I think this should render additional evidence that Thrawn is town (and thus both Thrawn and Shady are town) which would confirm my suspicion that Archrun is attempting to benefit from mislynching two townies. So, in other words, he knows exactly how his vote change looks, and now he’s trying to do some “damage control” by being the first to bring it up. What YourHarry doesn’t mention here is how difficult it would be for mafia to come back from a day one lynch when they’ve connected themselves together so neatly. Securing the Shady lynch day one wasn’t “optional,” it was mandatory to secure any chance of a mafia victory. And if by YourHarry’s logic, wouldn’t it be a good thing if someone last minute switched? Because then we’d know for sure who one of our scum is. Especially when the only person you feel is “strong town” (Thrawn) isn’t on track to be lynched. I have no problem using YourHarry’s logic here, as it’s the first thing he’s said that makes sense to me. YourHarry switched his vote to Shady for the reasons he’s already highlighted. Because if Thrawn went down day one mafia’s winning chances would go down substantially. Mafia couldn’t afford Thrawn going down, so YourHarry last minute switched to secure the lynch. And looking at how Thrawn and Ochrow both think YourHarry has a “townie feel” when no one else does makes YourHarry stick out even more. So that sums up my case. I hope you all enjoyed it  . If before now you were to tell me I could get all three scum pegged in one day like this, I would never have believed you. With this evidence, I am confident thrawn, Ochrow, and YourHarry are all but “confirmed scum.” GG. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On August 18 2012 08:44 DarthPunk wrote: Yep, which is why the post was not really directed at you. Because I think you may be scum. Why are you constantly addressing yourself as town thrawn? You seem pretty desperate to establish your townieness. Or perhaps as Scum Thrawn you need to constantly think about what your towny alter ego would be doing and that is coming out in your posting. Sounds somewhat similar to zork from XXII. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
![[image loading]](http://diamondbelle.com/assets/images/wide-shot.jpg) The pretty ones are always the most dangerous. "What a crazy day" thought prplhz, as everyone in Liquidia headed back into the saloon to drown away their sorrows that yet another townie was now dead. After a few hours of drinking, however, the tragedy of the previous day is washed away from everyone's minds and the atmophere transforms. Music blasting, whiskey flowing; all-out revelry, to be honest. And hell, the people of Liquidia deserve a night away from all of their troubles. Around midnight, the crowd starts quieting down and thinning out a bit, and the new Bar Maid, Katina, makes her way over to the piano and pulls up a bench. She starts playing a sweet melody, and begins belting out the most beautiful vocals anyone could remember in recent times. "'scuse me, ma'am, but I must say you do have a beautiful voice. And damn good at the piano too, if I do say so myself," said prplhz as he leaned against the piano. "Why thank you, sir," she replied during a lull in the song. "And quite the pretty face, too" he muttered, liquid encouragement surging through his veins. She blushes, "Aww, you're too kind. Terrible shame, what happened today, huh?" "Yes ma'am. HiroPro was a good friend of mine. Shame to see him shot down in cold blood like that, but he was acting mighty suspicious. It's hard to know who you can trust these days." "Ain't that the truth," she replied. "Mind if I sit down?" "Uh, I reckon that'd be okay," she says nervously as she slides over a bit. prplhz sits down, and places his fingers on the keys and seamlessly joins her in playing the song. Her jaw drops. "I didn't expect a cowboy like you to be that deft with his fingers," she remarks demurely. "You'd be suprised, ma'am," he says with a wink. "My mother loves music, and she taught me how to play piano when I was a child." They sit there enjoying each other's company for a few hours, then look up and realize that they are completely alone in the saloon now. "Huh. Where did everyone go?" asked prplhz. "I guess it is pretty late. I had fun tonight. I've never played with anyone like that," she says as he starts to stand up and grab his hat. "Me too, ma'am. I guess I'd better get home. You have a good night." She hesitates. "W---Wait. Do you have to go? I have a room upstairs. I'd hate for you to have to ride all the way back out to your farm at this time of night," she says, as she blushes again. Utterly exhausted after the...events...of the day (and night, *wink*), prplhz pulls back the sheets and crawls into bed. He's completely sacked out before his head even hits the pillow. Katina waits for half an hour, then slips out of bed as carefully as she can. "Ugh, I can't believe I did that," she thinks as she gets dressed quietly. "I hate goody-two-shoes cowboys. I'm a Bel Monte, damn it." She tip-toes over to the bed, grabs prplhz's gun from his belt on the floor, and puts one shot right into his chest. "There, done. Now to get out of this god-forsaken town and get back home to my family," she thinks as she begins gathering her things and checking prplhz's pockets for any valuables. Just then, she hears a knock at the door and her blood runs cold. "Who is it?" she snaps. "It's---hic---justa---me" stammers austinmcc, the town drunk. "I...ah...thought---hic---I heard a ruckus." "Damnit," she thinks. "What is he doing here? I thought the place was empty." "Go Away!" However, he doesn't listen. Being totally hammered, he thinks he hears desperation in her voice and is in trouble, so he barges through the door. She can't afford witnesses, so as loathe as she is to do it, she doesn't hesitate and fires before he can even realize what's happening. She finishes packing her things, runs downstairs, and hops on prplhz's horse and rides away into the night. At 8am the next morning, the Barkeeper comes in to work. "Damnit, this place is still a mess. What was Katina doing last night? She knows her job is to make sure everything is cleaned up down here before she heads up to bed!" he says angrily. He heads up the stairs, yelling "KATINA, WAKE UP! You've got a bar to clean!" No answer. He pounds on her door. Still nothing. Worriedly, he slides his keyring out and quietly unlocks her door, and finds prplhz on the bed and austinmcc propped up against the wall, both dead as door-nails. mkfuba07, as prplhz the Vanilla Townie, was killed! Archrun, as austinmcc the Vanilla Townie, was killed! As a reminder, there are no clues here, just flavor. Day 2 has started. You have 48 hours to vote for the lynch! | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
##Vote: Thrawn ##FoS Your Harry ##FoS: Orchrun I 100% agree with Goodkarmas post and it fits my reads completely. I was also roleblocked. I can't imagine a town role blocking me. So scum saw fit to do it. As I have been pressuring YH and thrawn it all adds up. GG Scum. | ||
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DarthPunk
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
##Vote Thrawn also, ##FoS YourHarry His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says. | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On August 18 2012 09:27 Golbat wrote: I still maintain my case on thrawn. He and shady are my two biggest scum reads at the moment. I'll have to re read GK's case on oochrow, and then OO's filter and then see how I feel about that. But I feel pretty safe right now in voting for Thrawn. ##Vote Thrawn also, ##FoS YourHarry His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says. Shady is dead dude. He flipped town. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 18 2012 08:59 DarthPunk wrote: Why are you constantly addressing yourself as town thrawn? You seem pretty desperate to establish your townieness. Or perhaps as Scum Thrawn you need to constantly think about what your towny alter ego would be doing and that is coming out in your posting. Sounds somewhat similar to zork from XXII. You always describe my motivations as how they make sense to scum thrawn, I am trying to get you to see how they are more reasonable coming from town thrawn. There have been quite a lot of things said about me and it will take a good amount of time to write up a post. Expect one in the next couple hours. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On August 18 2012 09:47 thrawn2112 wrote: You always describe my motivations as how they make sense to scum thrawn, I am trying to get you to see how they are more reasonable coming from town thrawn. There have been quite a lot of things said about me and it will take a good amount of time to write up a post. Expect one in the next couple hours. The Issue is that the scum motivation behind your play is clear as day to me. When Yourself and Your Harry try to paint yourselves as town it is based on large assumptions, misinterpreting posts in order to further your agenda, WIFOM etc. Yourself and Your Harry clearly tried to lead another Mislynch on Archrun. and were trying to use a ridiculous interpretation of one post of his to paint yourselves as confirmed town. Something which you have been trying to do for one another since day one. Your Harry made an entire case about you being town which was based on Archrun being scum. Shady had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town. Archrun had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town. Mkfuba07 had a scum read on Your Harry. Dead. Confirmed town. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Shady was lynched and flipped town Archrun was killed and flipped town Mkfuba was killed and flipped town Goodkarma and Darthpunk both claim to have very strong reads on me as scum. Their reasoning is that I was pushing for shady and archun to be lynched, and both of them flipped town. Mkfuba wrote a very long post on why he had a town read on me: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2012 03:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Trying to get into school is running me ragged, so this will be my only post for the moment. If anyone has specific questions they'd like me to answer, let me know so I can get to those as soon as possible (preferably before the lynch). Since Thrawn seems to be quite the target, I'm going to post my thoughts on him: 1) The SK posts seemed a bit suspicious, but when I read them I got a rather null read. I was obsing a game recently (my apologies for not knowing the exact game name) where it seemed like the entire first 24 hours was spent discussing what a theoretical Tracker should do if he even existed in the game. Asking a question of the more experienced players regarding SKs, and giving his own point of view, doesn't send off any major alarms in my head. He dropped the issue immediately after people said that they basically agreed with him, and he hasn't personally brought them up ever since. 2) Regarding his actions in the Solar issue, I tended to agree with him along the way. This quote appears to summarize his thought process quite nicely, and since it was exactly the same as my thoughts I actually got a slight townie read after it. He was suspicious at the right times, and when something didn't make sense he questioned the reasoning of whoever raised that point. 3) This quote makes me lean townie as well. Though I have stated that I didn't agree with the original argument behind YH's reads on solar/GK, Thrawn again comes to the same conclusion as me: that the entire case comes down to that single "Sigh..." comment. Though I was (and still am) suspicious of YH after that case, Thrawn's disagreement over this doesn't reveal alignment to me. The way he's thinking things through is very similar to how I did during my only previous vanilla townie game. 4) The whole Z-Boson/Ochrow situation also has me leaning town. During that entire situation, Thrawn makes efforts to alleviate the confusion that's been caused by Z-Boson's misread, when he could have just sat back and let the misunderstanding grow out of control (especially seeing how readily people in this game have been jumping on single posts to make full cases). With this, I have a firm townie read on Thrawn. 5) I don't see any real evidence of Thrawn and Ochrow coordinating their posts. The entire thing feels contrived to me. This makes me feel that this bandwagon that's started on Thrawn is at least partially supported by scums. This, in turn, gives me an even stronger townie read on Thrawn. 6) His subsequent suspicion of Shady is completely valid in my eyes. If Thrawn is town, then as he's pointed out, the only information he can be 100% sure of is his own alignment. Since he knows he's town, he has a right to be suspicious of someone so zealously pursuing lynching him. His vote isn't instantly OMGUS just because Shady voted for him before. Thrawn has actual reasons for being suspicious, and Shady hasn't, even in my eyes, done a good job of addressing them. Thrawn has been tunneled pretty hard for one of the first cases to have any significant reasoning behind it (the one against Archrun), and I find that incredibly suspicious. While most other players are making cases based on such huge stretches that I find it hard to believe they came to the conclusions they did, Thrawn is being hit hard for providing a case that was based entirely within the context of the thread itself. In short, I truly think that a lynch on Thrawn would be a mislynch. I have some reads on other people that I will try to get up as soon as possible, but I have to leave to take care of school issues right now, and don't want to post half-assed theories without being able to clarify them right away. I will say that I am likely to support a relative lurker lynch, especially given that most of the discussion has been about a player who I've made it clear I have pretty strong town reads on. Mkfuba made it very clear that he thought I was town, and he also voted against shady. According to the reasoning that darthpunk was using before the night post, shouldn't darthpunk also have thought mkfuba was scum? Nothing was said about mkfuba, and he was killed during the night cycle. Mkfuba wrote out the longest and strongest defense of me, and he is the one who got killed during the night. Why wasn't Archrun the one the mafia killed? Because I killed him with my 1 bullet received from my being Town Vigilante. It was completely reasonable for me to do that from a town thrawn perspective. I was already suspicious of Archrun because of his first few posts. I thought since before the lnych that there was a scum mission to get me lynched. Archrun was one of the first people to vote thrawn. Before the vote ended he stated that if shady is town, then thrawn should be lynched. After the lynch I began to focus on him, and he never replied to my posts. Killing him ended up being the wrong decision, but it was clearly in line with what my past reads on Archrun were. On August 18 2012 10:03 DarthPunk wrote: Your Harry made an entire case about you being town which was based on Archrun being scum. Shady had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town. Archrun had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town. Mkfuba07 had a scum read on Your Harry. Dead. Confirmed town. Mkfuba may have had a scum read on yourharry, but he VOTED for shady (who I voted for) and VERY STRONGLY defended me. He was killed, and flipped town. Why would I as scum thrawn kill mkfuba who was the strongest defender of me being town? | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
I also read your bread-crumb post. Initially thought you were investigator due to this post: On August 17 2012 14:58 thrawn2112 wrote: I could not understand why shady was pushing so hard to have me lynched. I had given him sufficient arguments to back down on his claims, and I didn't feel like he was paying attention to any of my responses. My being lynched would benefit the scum team, and so the longer he continued to press his case against me the more and more I thought he was scum. Archrun was another player who moved to lynch me for reasons I didn't think were genuine so I also thought he could be scum. My vote for shady was based on shady being the most vocal, and in my eyes, stubborn about me being scum. The current debate is over whether I or Archrun are scum. Before the vote Archrun said that if shady is town, then I should be lynched. Yourharry is saying that if Archrun is scum, then I am town. My efforts are going to be focused on going through Archrun's filter, and I will post about it if I find something worth bringing up. I don't think that town should focus 100% on Archrun and I. After I go through Archrun's filter I will also read through the filters of the people most outspoken in the debate over shady/thrawn and I think everyone else should do the same. I realize I haven't posted much of substance, but I thought it was worth saying that Archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated. Expect my next post to contain my read on Archrun, and possibly reads on some other players who were outspoken in the shady/thrawn debate. I knew you were blue role either way. It makes sense though, you asking the detective to not investigate Archrun because you were going to target him anyway. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
I'm less convinced on YourHarry since there is no direct link and I had a soft town read from yesterday, but there's two good candidates right there. Lol Thrawn your vigilante claim is ridiculous. Vigilantes do not reveal that they are vigilantes over such a trivial matter as defending themselves, as the role is so powerful that scum have no choice but to kill you immediately. ##Vote: Thrawn ##FoS: Ochrow | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 18 2012 10:22 YourHarry wrote: thrawn, do you think there is SK? quick question, yes or no? I don't think so. My reasoning is that mkfuba was killed fore being my strongest defender, and I killed Archrun. If there is a Sk he chose not to kill, which doesn't make sense because if I was SK I would choose to kill someone every night. No, based on the events of N1 I don't think there is an SK. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
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Jhuyt
Sweden365 Posts
I have a really hard time following YH's posts, but he seems Scummy to me mainly because of the way he flip-flops between who he finds suspicious from the outset of the game, which is a very strange behaviour. Now this part might be because I have a hard time following his train of thought, but he uses GK's "sigh..." in + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2012 12:17 goodkarma wrote: @Solarsail: Sigh... I really hope this entire day doesn't revolve around you because you got off to a bad start. I feel it's more likely you're an overaggressive townie right now. Seeing as how this is your first game I would recommend you take a look at prior games and how people present "cases" on other people. Try to show us why you feel someone is scummy rather than blindly accusing people. The last thing I want is for us to waste an entire day getting a bad townie lynched. And obligatory game filters: Vanilla townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315&user=81106 Godfather: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=81106 The first one in this post: GK's post struck me as strange because it made it sound like he knew Solar's alignment. He even starts the post with a "Sigh..." as if the town has been going in the wrong direction. My first suspicion was that they are scums together, but I don't think scums support each other this obviously and directly. GK using such wordings would strongly incriminate him if Solar ever flips scum. Thus, I thought this possibility is not likely. The second on in this post: I mean, he sighs! You may laugh and say this is trivial, but to me this is an indication of certainty that everyone else who has been suspecting Solar is wrong and he somehow has this knowledge and disapproves. Then he asks me why I find Solar townie. And exactly 3 minutes later, when I explain to him why I thought Solar was a mason, in this encryptive post that I thought he would understand if he was a mason: Another thing I think is really weird is how he suddenly goes after Archrun when he says that "if Shady is town then Thrawn is scum and vice versa" and suddenly decides that Archrun is the scummiest player around. The weird thing is that he right before that thinks that Shady is the scummiest read he has but his case against him isn't too strong, but he seems to not use that fact that Shady tries to do a sheep move with his "Everybody let's just vote for Thrawn" line. This should have strengthened his case against him but for some unknown reason he just drops the case entirely for the while. This behaviour is really weird as it is, but if you continue to consider the Darthpunk's idea that he's scum with Thrawn his sudden switch back to vote for Shady makes a whole lot of sense too. Those are my thought's on YH's case for the moment, right now I need to go to bed. | ||
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