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Technically 1st gen could have included mew, and look how that turned out. Also, /in
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wait 151 official means mew is fair game
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Apparently the key to grush's goofy play is STARSENSES
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On August 21 2012 06:39 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:32 Zephirdd wrote: also unless someone was an asshole and made a vanilla role, everyone is a blue. Well, except for those who aren't. I'm looking for you. Why are you looking for vanilla townies? Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:20 Kurumi wrote:On August 21 2012 06:18 Chezinu wrote:On August 21 2012 06:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 21 2012 06:13 heist wrote: personally I'm inclined to kill anyone who wants to die Then help me and kill me It's a trap! Kurumi could be one of those pocket monsters that shoots back what ever you throw at him! Yeah it is a trap I wanted to check if heist really has the power I wouldn't use it on you even if I did. And I certainly wouldn't want to kill grush right now. - 3 people so far on the 'Kill Grush' list: jingle hell, VE, mementoss Tell me why? Reasons so far: 1. meta 2. troll reason 3. I agree 4. I agree too. - 2 people so far on the 'Kill Me' list: dirk, Kurumi. Dirk still suicidal?
Everyone is blue. Except for those who are red....or black I suppose. He didn't mean VT's, he meant scum.
As for killing grush for being grush, he breadcrumbed his being town, but has also not been batshit crazy. He's also temp banned. Leave him be for now imo, at least until we know the answer to:
Will grush be permitted to not be modkilled until his tempban is removed?
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On August 21 2012 06:52 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 06:39 heist wrote:On August 20 2012 09:32 Zephirdd wrote: also unless someone was an asshole and made a vanilla role, everyone is a blue. Well, except for those who aren't. I'm looking for you. Why are you looking for vanilla townies? On August 21 2012 06:20 Kurumi wrote:On August 21 2012 06:18 Chezinu wrote:On August 21 2012 06:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 21 2012 06:13 heist wrote: personally I'm inclined to kill anyone who wants to die Then help me and kill me It's a trap! Kurumi could be one of those pocket monsters that shoots back what ever you throw at him! Yeah it is a trap I wanted to check if heist really has the power I wouldn't use it on you even if I did. And I certainly wouldn't want to kill grush right now. - 3 people so far on the 'Kill Grush' list: jingle hell, VE, mementoss Tell me why? Reasons so far: 1. meta 2. troll reason 3. I agree 4. I agree too. - 2 people so far on the 'Kill Me' list: dirk, Kurumi. Dirk still suicidal? Everyone is blue. Except for those who are red....or black I suppose. He didn't mean VT's, he meant scum. As for killing grush for being grush, he breadcrumbed his being town, but has also not been batshit crazy. He's also temp banned. Leave him be for now imo, at least until we know the answer to: Will grush be permitted to not be modkilled until his tempban is removed? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:13 deconduo wrote:Seeing as grush's ban is only for 2 days I'm not going to ask for a replacement. Just consider him to be more inactive than usual See I read the thread, some of the times
=\ Poop.
On August 21 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: There's useless and there's maliciously useless. I've never encountered someone with as little respect for his fellow players as grush, so I've never really been in a position to PL this kind of player before. Time and again grush proves that he's not only not interested in reading the thread, but he's also not interested in even posting coherently about the stuff he DOES read (which is generally the page of and prior to the latest post).
No, I'm done playing with grush until he can prove he's gonna actually play the game.
Well he most certainly won't be able to prove it this game it seems. Tempbanned and lynched...all in a day's work for grush, eh?
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On August 21 2012 07:23 Zephirdd wrote:
On the mewtwo thing...
What if I told you
A player could have picked for himself?
We aren't told which pokemon we are during the pick phase. Whoever is mewtwo could very well have picked for mewtwo himself and then receive the role himself, right?
It seems like mewtwo would have been preconceived by decon. I expect that one of the roles didn't get used, possibly given to mewtwo as a fake claim so someone else could confirm them and say "yep, I made that one".
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On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote: I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder.
Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles.
You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist.
Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics.
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No, mementoss you're absolutely right, I should have discussed what I was doing and why. Sadly I don't have much time right now and I most likely won't be back until after the deadline.
I responded first hand to allinson going on about how roles in ptp are not normal. The entire exchange didn't really do anything for finding scum as bugs was quick to point out and vote. I was already nursing suspicions on allinson, the case made sense and I sheeped it. You've already noted that his S&B case was loosely put together and more for the sake of looking like he's finding scum. I'm fine with my vote where it is.
You also point out that you think the case on allinson is correct - ie. he'll flip scum. Certainly I'm not the most reliable source of information on this subject, but why would I ninja-vote my supposed scumbuddy, especially that early?
I doubt I get back before the deadline, but I'll be more active tonight (assuming I live through the day of course).
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Okay first off, why is discussion stopped at night? I get that in a regular mafia game this is the norm, but I was under the impression that it was due to scum having NK'ing ability and town having limited to no NK abilities. Is this wrong somehow? Or do people really think that town doesn't have KP in a PTP game?
So, since the thread is dead on scumhunting, is anyone up for discussing role creation?
On August 22 2012 01:58 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 16:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I might have missed it, but are we allowed to divulge information about the roles we created? Can we claim what we made or reveal role mechanics? Thanks. Yes, as soon as one Pokemon has been killed and flipped. Diglett killed and flipped, so free game right? I will note the following:
On August 21 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: To the above plan
I made a role that kinda hard brakes claiming what we made roles for so lets never ever do that. So...until Drazerk is willing to explain wtf he did, I'm guessing we do nothing other than debate the merits of "knowing" what's out there. Note I am NOT ADVOCATING ROLE CLAIMS. I'm saying that if we are to do anything, it would be say something like "I picked for pokemon and gave it such and such ability(ies)" I don't necessarily know what I would do with this information, but as long as we don't get too caught up in role discussions, I think town is better off with as much info as we can generate. Again - Drazerk has said doing this will break the game somehow, so please do not actually reveal anything until he has responded.
Aside from that, my strongest read is Zephirdd, and not just for his vote against me. If need be I'll get that together sooner, but it looks like I should save it for the deadline.
And yes, I've skipped the part where I throw out a shitty defense for my ninja vote. My play was poor and I am deservedly under suspicion for it. Being legitimately active is going to go much further in changing people's opinions of me than trying to defend myself right now.
I'll be around for a half hour or so before bed.
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@VE: While I have a healthy respect for your stance on grush, I don't think wiggles' vote on you is that indicative of alignment. You did ask for the attention, and his vote was for pressure to me. I had a weak scumread on him because of his saying Meowth must claim his shot in 5 min - or else. I'm not really in any position to be commenting on activity, but the fact that he didn't change his vote off you looks scummy as well. It was clearly not doing a goddamn thing where it was.
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As far as I know nothing was done to me last night.
I should have had this done for the deadline, had more stuff to do at work than I anticipated. I think zeph is scum due to his seeming activity but lack of scumhunting.
His medic claim was just plain strange.
On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. How does that really help town at all? It is such a flippant comment. He follows up with
This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter. Why is he breadcrumbing his ability/pokemon. Again, how could this help town? It seems like he's trying to communicate with whoever created his pokemon for some reason. No one else could really use this information. I don't like it.
His filter is full of one liners that don't contribute anything....role speculation and fluff.
He rips on kitaman
Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum? but he doesn't really follow through on the insinuation that kitaman is scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote:Hey I'm rereading!
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter.
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote: Hey. I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...?
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote: Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early. If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really) However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum. U C? I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before.
Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum? + Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] +On August 20 2012 09:34 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:31 Zephirdd wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:26 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:22 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:21 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote: Scum KP is hidden. Then scum only have the KP roles people made Pretty much all I'm gathering from this No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy. I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on . What if I told you you can create rolecop immune roles. Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff I now know the meaning of Zephyr. I never knew. I thought Zephirdd was a cool name. TT
I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 13:09 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:44 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:42 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:32 BioSC wrote: Well, it will stop me from accusing him of being scum I guess. Wait you haven't actually posted anything yet... It was more a reference to my last game with him. What would you like to talk about, darling? Top 3 scum targets IDK Man, with grush being banned, my whole world got turned upside down!thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts Strange, but not in and of itself a scumtell to me.What is the meaning to life? Bacon What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him. And it's 42.
Finally. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:54 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote: I was SO going to post it :p Something tells me you was trying to talk to the person who actually had metronome though... You wereAnd Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_> Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___* In that entire post, he points out maybe one other thing aside from Kitaman that could be scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 07:23 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:39 heist wrote:On August 20 2012 09:32 Zephirdd wrote: also unless someone was an asshole and made a vanilla role, everyone is a blue. Well, except for those who aren't. I'm looking for you. Why are you looking for vanilla townies? Think think THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK If this is PTP everyone is a power role. When a town player is a power role, what is he? Blue. If a non-town player is PR, what is he? red or black. "unless someone was an asshole and made a vanilla role, everyone is a blue". Of course I am looking for the freaking scum -_- also you are spilling bullshit. You have no attack ability. Shoot me if you do. I dare you I DOUBLE DARE YOU MOTHERF-- anyway
I see your point VE. We're lucky CountDropula isn't here, I'd be yelling at any dayvig to shoot him in the balls; However, leave it to after he is unbanned. You can always hope someone will vigi him.
On the mewtwo thing... What if I told you A player could have picked for himself? We aren't told which pokemon we are during the pick phase. Whoever is mewtwo could very well have picked for mewtwo himself and then receive the role himself, right? None of that hunts scum. Seems to fake some rage and be emotional for no good reason.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 23:52 Zephirdd wrote:btw imallinson played on newbie mini VIII. I didn't take the time to actually read his posts here because I don't have it, but if you guys want to check it out. He also played on two other games but he had very little amount of posts do I assume he died night1 on both. ##Vote Hopeless1derUntil you explain your vote. Or post something useful at all.
Reading through Dirkzor/VE interchange, I'm inclined to believe Dirkzor is in a better position contrary to popular belief I guess. Let's look objectively at it from Dirkzor's POV. He first posts this: Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. He isn't wrong here. I don't think that makes VE scum, but that does create some suspicion. Exactly what Dirkzor does. later, VE posts the following: Show nested quote +VisceraEyes posted on August 21 2012 17:15: @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. Prior to this post in specific, he had never mentioned Dirkzor. Ever. Why suddenly Dirkzor is a good targetd to Wiggles(who is voting VE) switch into? Why not just say "Like Drazerk."? To me, that's throwing random suspicion in order to see if it latches. That's exactly what Dirkzor mentions. He votes VE because he noticed this "or Dirkzor" and realized that it is a way to throw suspicion and hoping it to latch. VE's response? " You added nothing new to my case". But wait! Dirkzor DID add something new: the part I just mentioned, where VE throws a suspicion without ever mentioning a reason on him. From here onwards, the discussion becomes a mess of big nothing. Dirkzor had a small suspicion of VE and voted him when he saw something big on VE's play, but VE accuses him of not voting him earlier(OF course he didn't vote earlier, it was the later post that convinced Dirkzor). VE's whole "case" on Dirkzor is that he waited to vote. I'll admit the whole "Dirkzor lied about the meta case" makes him look bad, but I'm also willing to believe he researched the wrong guy.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:I can kill Zephirdd too, honestly. His filter consists mostly of setup speculation, but this doesn't bother me as his love of the Pokemans is well documented. What bothers me is this. On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. There are a couple of things he could be doing here: he's either a medic claiming in the worst first post in TL town history, he's a townie who is NOT a medic and is attempting to draw roleblocks/NKs, or he's scum attempting something really profoundly stupid. From a strategic viability standpoint, I certainly HOPE it's the second one, but from a realistic standpoint and given everything else he's done in the thread (read: nothing) I'm inclined to believe that he's actually scum. He's almost certainly not a town medic, and if he is I hope I'm never town with him again. On August 20 2012 13:04 Zephirdd wrote: I like the idea of lynching grush because he's been somewhat terrible. But if you think about it the same could be applied to Kenpachi. Or Drazerk. Yet them being terrible always netted some scum in games. I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching either... I mean, it worked quite well for VE, but it's always bad for the town on the game when you do it and he was just playing badly.
Besides, he claimed starsenses. That means he is town right? This is his next post with "content". In this post he literally sas "I like the idea of policy lynching grush, but I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching". Literally. It's the very soul of wishy-washy scum posting. On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote:Hey I'm rereading!
On August 20 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter.
On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote: Hey. I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...?
On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote: Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early. If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really) However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum. U C? I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before.
Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum? + Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] +On August 20 2012 09:34 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:31 Zephirdd wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:26 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:22 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:21 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote: Scum KP is hidden. Then scum only have the KP roles people made Pretty much all I'm gathering from this No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy. I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on . What if I told you you can create rolecop immune roles. Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff I now know the meaning of Zephyr. I never knew. I thought Zephirdd was a cool name. TT
I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol
On August 20 2012 13:09 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:44 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:42 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:32 BioSC wrote: Well, it will stop me from accusing him of being scum I guess. Wait you haven't actually posted anything yet... It was more a reference to my last game with him. What would you like to talk about, darling? Top 3 scum targets IDK Man, with grush being banned, my whole world got turned upside down!thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts Strange, but not in and of itself a scumtell to me.What is the meaning to life? Bacon What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him. And it's 42.
Finally. On August 20 2012 21:54 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote: I was SO going to post it :p Something tells me you was trying to talk to the person who actually had metronome though... You wereAnd Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_> Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___* The parts I bolded are Zephirdd literally just shoveling shit hoping something sticks. I can get behind a Zephirdd lynch in addition to a Drazerk/Dirkzor lynch. Now, to decide which scummy bastard gets my vote. ##Unvote This post I was throwing my thoughts while reading the thread. Kitaman hasn't posted much since, but I have my eyes on him. That is what you'd call "having suspicion without voting". I don't even remember kita answering that to me, which only makes it worse. However, right now, I think that is a subject for another time. Second bolded part about Drazerk is a contradiction to you. By your logic, me and Drazerk are part of the same scum team. By your logic, I'm asking people to shoot my teammate day 1. You just played a scum game with me, you know I don't bus people until later in the game. Besides, I'm just agreeing with Drazerk himself - that he needs to be shot lategame. I'm not throwing random shit and seeing if it latches(like you did with dirkzor HEYOOO), I'm just trying to make sense of the thread while I'm reading it.
Anyways I'll keep my vote on Hopeless1der until he posts something, and will switch into VE to consolidate unless something big happens. Gonna work now... and it's possible I'll have little time to read prior to deadline, so don't fret when I just vote VE on the voting thread! I'll answer any concerns at night when I'm done raiding with my guild(which should be in about 12 hours from now). Good day guys! Let's skip the OMGUS for his vote. That was reasonably justified. My issue is:
On August 21 2012 23:52 Zephirdd wrote:
Anyways I'll keep my vote on Hopeless1der until he posts something, and will switch into VE to consolidate unless something big happens. Gonna work now... and it's possible I'll have little time to read prior to deadline, so don't fret when I just vote VE on the voting thread! I'll answer any concerns at night when I'm done raiding with my guild(which should be in about 12 hours from now).
Good day guys!
What's the deal with his vote being left on me.
I've got to head out right now, so I'll post this as is. Be back later.
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Okay I'm back to reading the thread. My suspicions on Zephirdd stand, and I think his defensive post to my accusations lay on the emotion a bit too thick. He also ignores the part where I say he doesn't scumhunt and my comment on his interactions with kitaman.
As it seem that we won't be likely to go down that road, I'll be looking at Mattchew, Wiggles and Dirkzor primarily.
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Well, that accusation came out of left field. I'd love to hear more about why I'm scum when you have a moment dirkzor.
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Still on that. So far I think wiggles is scummiest of the three.
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Yeah I haven't actually finished going through everything. You'll hear about it within 6ish hours.
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Hurray for claiming!
I think Mattchew is stupid for not understanding the KP mechanics, but ultimately town.
On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote: in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.
i would much much rather lynch dirk There's the crumb for his shot, or as close as I could find.
I'm waiting on dirk to tell me why he thinks I'm scum I think wiggles is my lynch of choice for today, as he has got off entirely too easy following the hit on BC. He got some breathing room and he comes back with a strong defensive post but doesn't know who to vote yet, or who he suspects. He also won't go after bugs anymore even though the Day1 wagons were supposedly started by scum.
##Vote:Mr.Wiggles
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At that point I had not actually read through Mattchew's filter yet, so that was why I clarified that it was wiggles "so far".
The "so far" came down to his apathy towards the day 1 wagons, but insistence that scum started the wagons. The whole 'observation' post didn't sit well with me because he was subjecting wbg and bc to blame without pulling out why they were scum other than the fact that they started wagons. There was also the fact that he demanded the meowth shot to be claimed. Automatically calling it scum if it isn't claimed within 5 minutes.
BC seemed to think he'd legitimately caught scum in his "trap". There are lots of examples of BC's play being praised, but wiggles is very insistent that bc is scum. BC's flip has colored my read quite heavily. Wiggles has not gone after bugs, even though the actual mislynch was started by him. We still don't know which way the dirk wagon would have gone, but BC was obviously scum for it according to wiggles. And its not like he held bugs as a backup target:
On August 23 2012 18:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Because if people sheep him and I get lynched, then it will be WBG's fault that a town player flipped. This reads that he knows that bugs is town, which I do not get at all after the way he set himself up to go after either one of bc or wbg.
There is also some connection theory bs that I could work in, such as BC's "stop role speculating" from early on and how Toad could have had a scumbuddy point it out.. There was also his joke post at chezinu. Not at all a serious interaction and doesn't hunt scum, but was also completely true - scumslip? And yes, I know these last couple points are reaching, they were just random thoughts that occurred to me.as I was reading through.
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Really go through the thought process for Mattchew here. He thinks he's hit wiggles for 0.5kp. He wants to finish the job tonight. He wants dirk as well.
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote: Mattchew Heist Misder WBG
Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately. interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?
On August 23 2012 12:22 Mattchew wrote: I think that I am a bad lynch for many reasons.
one would be that dirkzor is still alive, and if he posted any more hesitantly and nervously he wouldn't post at all. He is playing to not get caught, not to catch scum. you know, when he insta-accuses VE cause he was accused for good reason? or when he tells BC he's doesn't think BC is scum, so BC shouldn't be accusing him. or even how he enters the thread
the second would be that wiggles is still alive, and he has posted mostly about setup and how the 2 lynch candidates came about (he doesn't even give an opinion to dirk's alignment).
the third is that I am town and would be a bad lynch
He kind of breadcrumbs his hit:
On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote: in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.
i would much much rather lynch dirk
This is all before his claim of pikachu. Fine, rip into him for misunderstanding the game mechanics. It's PTP with additional poke-power. It doesn't really matter as his hit was re-directed and seems like it hit Toad.
The speculation on why he never mentioned wiggles day1. Well he never really mentioned much of anything. He lurked and said yes to a dirk wagon. He's continued to push that wagon under the pretense that wiggles is down 0.5kp:
On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote:Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide A. SurvivalHiding/Blending in + Show Spoiler +This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys! On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. Posting long but contentless posts + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote: I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote: I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? Not wanting to point fingers + Show Spoiler +Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one? also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more. Show nested quote +There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote: I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: -Cut-
Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. -Cut- More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. -Cut-
Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote: If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want. Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote: So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
B. Pushing their agendaPromoting confusion + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.
Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions. ##vote: dirkzor General theoretical question to the thread, if you took .5 kp of damage last night would you tell the thread? Why did you think the question was there at the end? For shits and giggles? Either he took damage or he dealt it (or both).
The next thing, his claim doesn't make sense? Or seems to have happened when he was pressured? When the fuck else should you claim? Should he have just not claimed at all and let himself get lynched?
On August 24 2012 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:11 Mattchew wrote: wiggles i shot you cause i thought you had a lesser chance of being lynched day 2 this is the worst reasoning any townie can possibly ever give for shooting someone. As town you shoot your #1 scumread, as scum you shoot whoever the fuck you want and make up reasons later. This reeks of made-up reason. I don't think mattchew is ballsy or smart enough as scum to lie about his role (not to mention there's not much reason for him to lie here when the possibility of a rolecop in a game full of roles is pretty likely) so this is definitely a scumclaim. His shot makes sense if you believe that he misunderstood the +0.5KP mechanics. He "knew" he would have to take two shots to finish the job and decided he'd rather shoot his second scumread and try to lynch the first.
I find Mattchew's play to be lacking, but CONSISTENT. The motive behind his claimed shot is in his filter.
There is still mementoss' case of people dying, especially BC's and the scumslip that BC found:
On August 23 2012 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 10:32 Mementoss wrote:On August 23 2012 10:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote:On August 23 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote:On August 23 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote: Mattchew Heist Misder WBG
Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately. interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list? He excluded scum From the list obviously if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process I still like dirk as red, and wiggles has done absolutely nothing to help town period this game. He however has managed to find time to criticize people and claim they must be red with 0 case. (see bugs' post a few pages ago on wiggles to see what I mean). But mattchew has done something to help town? :S I found SnB as town, and I am pretty sure VE is town too now. so thats pretty helpful what exactly have you done meme? other than bandwagon a townie lynch? you do realize you just claimed scum here right? I dont get it either Because he has done nothing useful (so far) to help the town in any way. To come out and say "i found blah as town and I think blah is town" is great. You know who likes finding town? or more specifically, differentiating town from third party or town from mafia? Not fucking townies. Saying your green reads is awesome, but if you don't state your red cases with actual reasons and instead just hop on wagons / spout green reads you are likely not town.
But then, shortly after:
On August 23 2012 13:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 13:34 Drazerk wrote: Personally I'd rather kill Wiggles / Mattchew over Dirk but thats because I honestly get no vibes from the case and I hate voting on things I don't care about. Honestly the only vibes I get from mattchew are bad townie at the moment. Could that mean red? yes but i feel its less likely. I am fine with a wiggles or dirk situation with current preference to dirk only given that he has done far more to get on my radar. You at least have a reason to not want to kill dirk though which is more than most have.
So, suffice to say, I am not behind lynching Mattchew today.
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Or I'm actively trying to prevent a mislynch? I don't like killing townies.
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So...it was fair to accuse wiggles of being scum for NOT trying to stop either wagon Day 1. I'm accused of being scum because I think we're lynching the wrong guy?
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