Ok, so here's my assessment of Mementoss, from his filter. This will probably be long, so I'm going to spoiler off sections.
For starters, he complains about lack of scum-hunting and direction frequently, despite barely ever doing more than saying people don't feel town.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 22:20 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it What are you trying to accomplish with this statement, in regards to finding scum or helping the pokealliance win? On August 21 2012 07:17 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.
##Vote: grush ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates. Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless On August 21 2012 07:38 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:20 strongandbig wrote:
well i think drazerk is scum and toad thinks kurumi is scum.
what do you think about them mementoss? I think they are both town playing in a questionable way (see: Bad), in some sort of trollish form, that they think is going to provoke reactions and discussions from players, in turn they will try to analyse from there. But by playing in this way, they just look like scum, and lose a lot of town credibility. I'll quote both cases in question for the people who didn't read the thread / forgot. Drazerk: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote:Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from DrazerkShow nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:09 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? The key to winning on either side is thread presence This will never ever ever change. lolwut Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
I do love how 4/25 people enter the thread in the EXACT same way
Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk The case sure points out a lot of questionable quotes, and shows his spam, but it doesn't really seem like mafia motivation to me. First post of the game, fake ability, is this really worth it for scum? To reveal themselves so obviously, to pull out one blue role, in a game where everyone has some sort of power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. He is all over the place, but I have never played with him, by the way people are talking about him, he just seems like an impulsive player. I could be wrong, and worse comes to worse hes a decent candidate, I don't think its worth tunnelling him however. Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:Thoughts on blasting Kurumi instead? Check out the following conversation for a sec: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules.  So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:51 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad? I just like posting. Especially when I am not feeling like sleeping. Yo Grush wynaut post videos and text? 1) Is basicly the reason why I kept saying I want to hurt Drazerk with a pointy stick. He kept on posting for the sake of posting. Fine we're still on day-1 but he's overdoing it a lot. If what he's doing is acceptable as contribution than mafia will have an easy time blending in doing bullshit posts like his. I consider this post Kurumi did to be incredible hypocrytical btw. 2) Is Drazerk acknowledging the fact that he / they're both posting for the sake of posting, which is weird to say the least, but that's besides the point right now. 3) is the really important one. Kurumi states "I just like posting.". That's incredible defensive. I would understand this if someone else were to accuse him like "dude, you're totally posting for the sake of posting and nothing else, that's scummy!" but there was no such thing. Drazerk got in the thread acknowledging that both Kurumi and he HIMSELF did that. If that was suppossed to be criticism Drazerk criticised himself with that post as well, which I consider to be pretty unlikely so to me it just read as some random bullshit. To Kurumi however it apparently reads as sincere attack and he felt the need to explaining his actions. Why so defensive Kurumi? Same thing. It seems like just spamming and just looking for a reaction. I mean, why as scum would you play so carelessly. He could be trying to just derail the whole thread. Why would he connect himself to another player who had huge thread presence at the time and was also under heat as scum? I personally think neither are scum, but both are bad town. Overall, there is a possibility they are scum, so voting them isn't horrible because they are just shitting up the thread, but I don't think they are. I think our scum is lurking in the shadows. On that note: ##Vote: Mattchew Note, this one looks like a contribution, but it really isn't. He basically just dismisses the scumhunting being done by others, and then votes for someone else.On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum?
There's more of that, but that should be enough to cover it. His filter is long, with a lot of fluff to dig through.
Oh, let's not forget a post that actually goes against his (repeatedly) stated dislike for theorizing on roles and setup.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 03:50 Mementoss wrote:
Just speculating but:
Pay Day does damage, and scatters coins on the ground with a value equal to twice the user's level for each time it's used. These coins are picked up afterwards if the player wins the battle.
I'm assuming whoever used pay day on VE doesn't want people to know, because after VE dies later in the game, the player who used payday on him will receive something.
The irony of voting allinson based on non-contribution and fluff posting isn't lost on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: Imallinson
At the end of D2, he jumps in sheeping me and supporting my roleclaim when I was mistakenly on a townie.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:33 Misder wrote:On August 25 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote:
Misder, since you're so convinced I'm scum, and you just posted a giant wall of text, I'm sure you can answer a couple of questions regarding the stupidity and ignorance of your accusation.
1: Why are you pointing out how long it took me to vote Mattchew after posting a case? The vote happened RIGHT AFTER THE DAYPOST. I made the case during the night.
2: In what retarded world does my roleclaim, which prevented Mattchew from being lynched for lying about his KP, somehow make me scum?
Scum are dancing to the tune, turn up the heat. Hopeless and Misder at a minimum, probably Grush as well. 1. I looked and you’re right. Nothing more to say besides, I just looked at your filter. 2. Again, that is the one post that keeps on bothering me. Read my response to Wiggles though for my thinking. On August 25 2012 04:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Misder, why do you think Jinglehell would claim his role even though as you say yourself, "Although as scum, there really wouldn’t be any point in telling us that he used his ability on Mattchew"? The reasoning you provide after doesn't hold up, because there was no pressure on him to reveal anything. There was no indication Toad was killed by Matt, it could have been any electric type move. As well, I could easily have been mediced, jailed, bussed, a vet, etc., to explain why I wasn't dead. So if there wasn't pressure on him to claim, why would he do it? Wiggles asks why I think that JingleHell has pressure to say anything when there is a realm of possibilities: my answer- 1) Give himself town-cred 2) I don’t mean pressure from the town; I mean pressure felt internally. When I wrote that, I thought that if I was scum, I would probably say something about it too. And bussing your own town isn't good Hopeless. The only logical way jinglehell would claim their as scum, would be if mattchew was scum and jingle was trying to give mattchew some credibility after being under heat. But I doubt they are both scum if you look at how hard jingle pushed mattchew for the majority of the. Why would jinglehell claim if mattchew was town? He wouldn't. Because it makes mattchew look like a liar, and mattchew was already being pushed for the lynch so jinglehell could have sat back and let the townie get lynched. So based on the claims, I think if you think Jinglehell is scum, you almost need to think mattchew is scum by association. On August 25 2012 04:40 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: @misder since the majority of the focus of your jingle case is surrounding the motives and timing for his claim, and based on other earlier cases.
Mind you, now he's pretty backtracked from that stance about me, as you can see in his recent posts.
And then, D3, he's a huge fan of the VE wagon, but relatively fluffy again since it's going the way he wants.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 28 2012 04:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch.VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles so you think VE or misder are scum yet you vote wiggles, wat On August 28 2012 04:26 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:23 Dirkzor wrote:Reading Misder's filter I get the feeling he knows something I don't. His claim the WBG was town out of the blue. His defence of hopeless and mattchew: On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote:
Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE? VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum. And so on. Ends in a mislynch.
And now, he's after me, claiming I'm scummy for using my power in a way that can potentially gain us information, when he supported using that information before, and even seemed to find me townie from that use of it.
Lynch Mementoss tomorrow, and we'll be short the active scum trying to take town leadership.
Remember, he's calling me scum because I won't reveal information that scum could use to protect themselves. I'm calling him scum because his filter demonstrates inconsistency between what words and actions, as well as what seems to be a rather anti-town lack of good townie motivation.
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