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Any thoughts on my Mattchew case? Speaking of... ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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I'm not sold on VE personally, but don't treat him as confirmed for a shot they knew wouldn't kill him. | ||
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On August 23 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm currently looking into both and haven't decided who I'd kill between the two of them. The comment was more about my feelings toward the Mattchew wagon that's brewin than about my read on Dirk tbh. I think that given the variety of reasons people think Mattchew is scum, dismissing it out of hand as a wagon without really talking about the evidence is scummy, regardless what Mattchew's own alignment is. If he's scum, soft defense to distance yourself. No townie motivation for a defense of another player that doesn't address any of the reasoning against them. If he's town, which is doubtful, this post of yours could be used to lead into mislynches after a flip. | ||
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On August 23 2012 22:53 Dirkzor wrote: Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum? Talking about Mattchew: In context, it's rather obvious that my opening line in that case was for irony's sake. Read the whole thing, and/or the conversation directly prior, and see if you can suddenly figure that part out. Also you basically accuse me of stealing your case, which can be found... On August 22 2012 16:50 Dirkzor wrote: @BC. I understand that you think I am scum but i think you should take a step back and try to find another to focus on for a while. If you are town that is... if you are scum you are on the right track. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On its own? No but it just adds into the list of bad things you have done. You at the time of your vote weren't in a place to die and you stuck around almost till the time the vote ended. You said Yes being all nice and trying to make only two people to vote for is nice, except given the lack of discussion it lets people sheep like no other. You were practically not going to die and had a stronger read on someone else then who you voted and thus until it came down to just your vote, you should have attempted to either persuade people to vote for your main target or heavily analyze them / your other top reads. Near every action you have taken is really off. I also only think you are still "around" is because you are being heavily pushed at the moment and attempting to appear legit. Your whole argument with my own vote is void. Or course I'm going to increase my own chance of survival by voting the "other guy". And yes my vote mattered. With 6v10 it only neede 2-3 people to vote change for me to be dead. Of course I'm around towards deadline when I'm in focus.. Had the discussion been heavier I had most likely not went to bed even though I need the sleep. But the discussion WAS dead so i went to bed. I've looked through filters and it feels like many people aren't really doing anything really. The worst however is Mattchew: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently On August 22 2012 01:10 Mattchew wrote: I think this and your post on Zeph are your most substantive post in the game thus far and makes me want to lynch you less. However another problem with your play to me is you haven't tried to confirm any other "vet" as town to work with. You know that you and bugs/bc/toad/whoever could really become a benefit to town yet you refuse to work with just about anyone. He starts out by poking VE lightly. Not really committing to anything pulling back a bit when VE started posting more. The last quote he calls VE's post substantial when i really wasn't. The zephirdd case is, but the post quoted isn't but mattchew finds it as an excuse to pull back. He have a few filler posts that does absolutely nothing: 1 and 2. But the scum alert only goes of with these 2 posts: He puts his vote on me with no explanation or prior mention of me. Before this only Draz and VE have been mentioned as potential scum. Seems like he just figured VE wasn't scum anyway and then voted me. Shows he doesn't care one bit who actually died. Again he just follows and sheep VE without any reason what so ever. Again its seems like he just want someone dead without really thinking further then if the person is his red team mate. And thats basicly all he have done this entire game. There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but I think you packed too many goals into one post. Trying to soft-defend your scum buddy you've already soft-bussed and make me look scummy all at once is a bit difficult, and it really seems to be the only reasoning for your posting. | ||
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On August 24 2012 00:55 heist wrote: If this was a Mafia shot: 1. It kills BC who wants to lynch Wiggles or dirk. 2. What else does it do? makes the lynch on Mattchew stronger. If Mattchew was mafia, they wouldn't feel threatened with BC voting someone other than Mattchew. Leads me to believe Mattchew is town IF THIS WAS A SCUM VIG. This contributes almost as much as the rest of your filter. Nothing. It casts doubts without analysis, without information, and makes association based on assumptions. Try doing something useful for a change. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:49 Drazerk wrote: I still think scum would of shot VE for flip insurance but so far his play is coming of as town to me I dislike Wiggles because of the timing on the shooting and the majority of his play only happening when he was under scrutiny. Mattchew is giving me bad vibes but the bandwagon is ALSO giving me bad vibes so I'm not sure what to do about that but given the choice of Mattcher / Dirk ill probably vote mattchew I want to see more of the following - Jinglehell, Heist and Misder or for someone to shoot all three I also want Kurumi to tell us what he knows about Zel because something is clearly up with that. What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread. By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:33 Zephirdd wrote: Now we got a magnemite and pikachu claim? Jingle, explain it. Can you divert thunder attacks to other players or something like that? Supersonic. Confusion that makes it hit the wrong target. Random target, as determined by host. I'm guessing that's what toasted Toad, the Giovanni with a Meowth. | ||
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On August 24 2012 23:32 Mattchew wrote: So you all believe that I have a scum team that didn't tell me I have a full kp instead of a .5 and that if I had known I had a full kp I would still post in the thread that I shot a target I didnt end up actually shooting and one that didn't die and that I hit them .5 kp. All this would be a huge risk for what? What does me flipping scum make wiggles ? Are you all this bad at deductive reasoning? Is this supposed to prove you're town? Most of your posts that have led to the case against you have the feel of bad impulsive posting. Your team can't stop you from doing that. Also, we can't know what you do or don't know, there's little value in trying to argue what-if stuff like you're saying. | ||
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On August 25 2012 00:06 Zephirdd wrote: Because I want to make a difference this time >_> Because I can picture it: 'OMG ZEPH U SAID MATCH WZ SCUM Y U NO VOTE HIM' aaaand time to work Well, congratulations, you hit the point in voting where your vote is a null-tell, but one that makes anyone suspicious! More so because you drew attention to that fact, which could be seen as something to point to while spewing WIFOM. However, after playing scum with you in Mad Men, I think you're town this time, because your totally random shit is being posted in the main thread, which suggests you don't have a QT for it. | ||
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On August 25 2012 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Or I'm actively trying to prevent a mislynch? I don't like killing townies. Thanks for claiming scum. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:03 Hopeless1der wrote: So...it was fair to accuse wiggles of being scum for NOT trying to stop either wagon Day 1. I'm accused of being scum because I think we're lynching the wrong guy? It's the way you do it, when people already have some doubts. It's close to the deadline, which can easily make it a "futile attempt, but dammit I tried". It's a firm but late defense of a guy who's looked scummy, but most of us do have some doubts that it could just be really clumsy play. Yeah, that's scummy. If you really wanted to save him, you'd have defended him during a high activity time, and not close to deadline. | ||
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Save yourself time and just claim red directly. | ||
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Bearing in mind, of course, that Grush has already acted about 1000% more productive than he ever does as town. Cute little love triangle, yes? Especially now that they're posting in a way that looks like they're angling for town credit, if we assume Mattchew is bad town. | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:48 Hopeless1der wrote: Everyone is blue. Except for those who are red....or black I suppose. He didn't mean VT's, he meant scum. As for killing grush for being grush, he breadcrumbed his being town, but has also not been batshit crazy. He's also temp banned. Leave him be for now imo, at least until we know the answer to: Will grush be permitted to not be modkilled until his tempban is removed? On August 20 2012 12:44 JingleHell wrote: Whee, this is seeming insane. On the plus side, Grush has the best icon I've ever seen him with now. And if he avoids a modkill, we should lynch him. Because let's face it. He's been active and not sounded like he was washing down speed with gasoline, which doesn't fit his town meta at all. On August 22 2012 03:14 Misder wrote: On VE: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 17:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Hilariously, you're simply adding your vote to a preexisting wagon without adding anything new yourself as well. At any rate, a VE lynch isn't happening today so I suggest you try and hide your vote elsewhere. On August 21 2012 19:44 VisceraEyes wrote: So should I go ahead and claim now? Or what...because typically when I reach this point it's pretty much GG for me. Dirkzor is scum because he keeps sheeping you SnB, while trying to pass that off as contribution. He hasn't added anything of substance to the game, and while Bugs says that I've done nothing of significance, I'd argue that my attempt at policy-lynching grush counts as a significant thread action. I agree with the case on Drazerk now that you've deWIFOM'd it - when I read it through the first time, it looked like I was reading a Pokemon card-creator's journal...it didn't look like a case at all. But I get what you were saying now and I agree that he looks scummy for it. There’s a disconnect here. VE’s initial defense against Dirkzor’s vote is basically, there’s no possible way I’m getting lynched, but couple posts later of back and forth with Dirkzor, he claims he should give up. It seems like because he couldn’t get Dirkzor off his back, he goes for the rage tactic. I also However, this is the only thing that really bothers me from VE. The reasons why people are voting VE are pretty sketch. Pushing for a policy lynch against someone who cannot defend himself is anti-town, but the way that VE is convinced that it is a good move convinces me that he’s not scum. And + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:50 strongandbig wrote: Oh and I just saw this little gem while I was reading the thread: "Hey guys! You're not paying all that much attention yet to this anti-town thing I did so it's a good time for me to bring up that I know it's anti-town and I was fishing for reactions! Oh but also I still support the anti-town thing but it's actually pro-town now, so don't go accusing me of changing my position!" ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: VE vote is a tool man Also, at least he’s being more useful (zeph case, activity) than some other people. I’m not convinced that VE is scum. I find this a bit more interesting (not really on VE): + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with policy-lynching grush. This is 100% super serious. JingleHell also wanted to lynch grush. However, he never actually voted for him and once VE got all this flak about policy lynching, he doesn’t back VE up nor say anything about it ever again. He then switches votes on imallinson. I don’t like this at all. FOS: JingleHell On imallinson: I do agree with the original case that imallinson’s first couple posts are meh at best + Show Spoiler [WBG’s case] + On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 22:19 imallinson wrote: The other thing I noticed about what Dirk said about my previous games is that he seems to agree fairly strongly with my being scum, even adding his own argument against me (the meta stuff) but doesn't actually back it up with a vote. This looks a lot like someone trying to push the vote onto an easy target but not actually committing to it himself. And this post I like as well. Defending VE I also see as a towntell cause even though he’s being attacked, he’s aware of what’s happening around him and reacting. On Dirkzor: I find that he’s very defensive when attacked by both BC and VE + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote: A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning. On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC. If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE Even though it could have been an honest mistake that Dirkzor really did read the wrong guy, that doesn’t make him town. I would say that he just hastily put that up just to gain some towncred by using meta, which half the time doesn’t even work anyways (which I’m sure he realizes if he actually was town/putting a real case on allinson). I would rather see Dirkzor get lynched over allinson. ##Vote: Dirkzor On the rest: Or we can just get rid of Drazerk. He’s literally just spamming. Either he’s a crazy town trying to draw reactions or he’s scum trying to cause chaos. I choose the latter. The meowth day-vig hit is interesting cause it was on VE. Don’t think there’s much to say though, as it could have easily come from town as scum. And I haven’t forgotten about the four people that entered breadcrumbing blue, though that will have to wait til next time. It’s most likely either Kenpachi or Mattchew though. Kurumi, I don’t think you answered this yet: On August 22 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote: case on jingle btw: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 03:14 Misder wrote: On VE: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 17:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Hilariously, you're simply adding your vote to a preexisting wagon without adding anything new yourself as well. At any rate, a VE lynch isn't happening today so I suggest you try and hide your vote elsewhere. On August 21 2012 19:44 VisceraEyes wrote: So should I go ahead and claim now? Or what...because typically when I reach this point it's pretty much GG for me. Dirkzor is scum because he keeps sheeping you SnB, while trying to pass that off as contribution. He hasn't added anything of substance to the game, and while Bugs says that I've done nothing of significance, I'd argue that my attempt at policy-lynching grush counts as a significant thread action. I agree with the case on Drazerk now that you've deWIFOM'd it - when I read it through the first time, it looked like I was reading a Pokemon card-creator's journal...it didn't look like a case at all. But I get what you were saying now and I agree that he looks scummy for it. There’s a disconnect here. VE’s initial defense against Dirkzor’s vote is basically, there’s no possible way I’m getting lynched, but couple posts later of back and forth with Dirkzor, he claims he should give up. It seems like because he couldn’t get Dirkzor off his back, he goes for the rage tactic. I also However, this is the only thing that really bothers me from VE. The reasons why people are voting VE are pretty sketch. Pushing for a policy lynch against someone who cannot defend himself is anti-town, but the way that VE is convinced that it is a good move convinces me that he’s not scum. And + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:50 strongandbig wrote: Oh and I just saw this little gem while I was reading the thread: "Hey guys! You're not paying all that much attention yet to this anti-town thing I did so it's a good time for me to bring up that I know it's anti-town and I was fishing for reactions! Oh but also I still support the anti-town thing but it's actually pro-town now, so don't go accusing me of changing my position!" ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: VE vote is a tool man Also, at least he’s being more useful (zeph case, activity) than some other people. I’m not convinced that VE is scum. I find this a bit more interesting (not really on VE): + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with policy-lynching grush. This is 100% super serious. JingleHell also wanted to lynch grush. However, he never actually voted for him and once VE got all this flak about policy lynching, he doesn’t back VE up nor say anything about it ever again. He then switches votes on imallinson. I don’t like this at all. FOS: JingleHell On imallinson: I do agree with the original case that imallinson’s first couple posts are meh at best + Show Spoiler [WBG’s case] + On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 22:19 imallinson wrote: The other thing I noticed about what Dirk said about my previous games is that he seems to agree fairly strongly with my being scum, even adding his own argument against me (the meta stuff) but doesn't actually back it up with a vote. This looks a lot like someone trying to push the vote onto an easy target but not actually committing to it himself. And this post I like as well. Defending VE I also see as a towntell cause even though he’s being attacked, he’s aware of what’s happening around him and reacting. On Dirkzor: I find that he’s very defensive when attacked by both BC and VE + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote: A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning. On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC. If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE Even though it could have been an honest mistake that Dirkzor really did read the wrong guy, that doesn’t make him town. I would say that he just hastily put that up just to gain some towncred by using meta, which half the time doesn’t even work anyways (which I’m sure he realizes if he actually was town/putting a real case on allinson). I would rather see Dirkzor get lynched over allinson. ##Vote: Dirkzor On the rest: Or we can just get rid of Drazerk. He’s literally just spamming. Either he’s a crazy town trying to draw reactions or he’s scum trying to cause chaos. I choose the latter. The meowth day-vig hit is interesting cause it was on VE. Don’t think there’s much to say though, as it could have easily come from town as scum. And I haven’t forgotten about the four people that entered breadcrumbing blue, though that will have to wait til next time. It’s most likely either Kenpachi or Mattchew though. Kurumi, I don’t think you answered this yet: There's the quotes to support that love triangle I referenced, btw. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:17 JingleHell wrote: Oh, by the way, if I'm right about Misder's impeccable timing, there's a rather amazing correlation with Grush and Hopeless. Hopeless was hoping that Grush's temp wouldn't result in a modkill, Grush, when asked for his case against me, linked Misder's joke, and Misder's joke was based on me wanting to lynch Grush. Bearing in mind, of course, that Grush has already acted about 1000% more productive than he ever does as town. Cute little love triangle, yes? Especially now that they're posting in a way that looks like they're angling for town credit, if we assume Mattchew is bad town. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:30 Hopeless1der wrote: Thanks for the most convoluted connection theory based whack of retardation I've read in a while. I mean really, dafuq? Oh no, the connection is supporting evidence. I've already covered the real points, like the fact that your defense of Mattchew is a slip. Misder's impeccable timing, showing up saying he doesn't think Mattchew is a good vote but he'll vote him anyways. Grush trying way too hard to look more productive than usual. The connection is just supporting evidence. Let me guess, next you're going to somehow imply that we use something besides circumstantial evidence? As for Mattchew, don't whine. You earned the votes on you, and they got scum into the open. Even if we can't save you, we know who to kill now, so don't worry about it. | ||
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If I'm right about hopeless, I think misder will be a much better target than dirk. His timing showing back up was no coincidence. | ||
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