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On August 06 2012 10:28 DoYouHas wrote: /in I will not be banned in the first game Bluelightz is hosting I was going to wait for GMarshal's game until I saw slOosh. We always have the most interesting games together  Oh my dear friend it has been quite a while. Hopefully we will recreate game #1 rather than #2 or #3 ... I think #4 was good until we both got shot N1/N2. Actually if #4 happens we can just join GM's next one so all is good and well  | ||
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Anyways, any of the blue roles can be used to the "innocent child" effect. Scum are extremely limited in their ability to fakeclaim because it is a blue-wise open setup (we might not know the 2nd blue identity but we can still cc any blue claim instantly). I recommend whoever is blue to consider this and not hastily throw away a potential advantage here by claiming early (mainly tracker but same thing extends to watcher/cop). No go on double lynch. Too exploitable / volatile in a game this small. On August 08 2012 03:34 Mordanis wrote: I actually disagree that talking policy early on is bad. It is only bad when the policy talk tells scum how to get off free. "We will only lynch active players" tells scum that they can get one or two players to the late-game with as little content to hold against them as possible. On a similar note, it's probably not a good idea to discuss your heuristics for finding scum until you find examples of them in people's play. If you start talking about them right now, unless you list 173 of them, scum probably will actively avoid fitting your heuristic, thus ruining your chance of finding scum. On August 08 2012 05:23 Mordanis wrote: Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Hey Mordanis, could you explain this contradiction? If this was an attempt to draw scum out, you have now just alerted them all with the second post, which goes against what you said in the first post. You said you are currently null on Forumite yet it seems like you are leaning a certain direction in your read of him. | ||
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I do, however, have a question with one of your prior posts: On August 08 2012 10:08 sciberbia wrote: OK I've made brief notes on everybody. Here are the people I find sketchiest so far: Shiaopi I agree with Forumite that this post seems off. Shiaopi is no vet, yet he starts off the thread with this bravado, confidence, and authority. It just doesn't seem to fit with the more reserved Shiaopi I remember from NMM XIV. I see this post as a conscious attempt to look bold, which fits in more with scum goals than town goals. Here you take issue with the same post that your case on Forumite is based off. What are your current thoughts on ShiaoPi, and how do they play in relation with Forumite? | ||
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On August 09 2012 01:43 marvellosity wrote: my case against CL does not need to be furthered. I am unsure about aspects of Forumite which is why I particularly want it discussed. Now why don't you actually do so instead of nitpicking? Are you referring to Forumite's boldness at bringing back a potentially attention grabbing issue? On August 08 2012 20:21 Forumite wrote: Marvel, could you explain this? I had an early scumread and said so a few times, definetly not spamming the thread about it. I also said I preferred to keep the reason to myself for the moment. What was wrong about that? Why did you want me to either reveal evidence early D1 or stop with light pressure on a random townie? Because when you said the same thing to me in Movie Mafia (?), I never responded but just took it to note, thinking oh what I'm doing is being perceived as scummy better go about it a better way, and I did that as a townie. I agree it's strange but I don't see how it is an alignment indicative strange. But on that note now I find Forumite guilty of the exact reverse: the next time he mentions a scum (?) read: On August 09 2012 00:14 Forumite wrote: Clarification about my opinion of Mordanis Big posts but very few, talking about me, possible VT-claim and policy, with a lot of fluff. Overall lots of text but next to no content, which looks bad. His post about "funnily enough" asking CL feels off somehow. Mordanis needs to shape up, or at least post more. I'm anxiosly awaiting the time when CL gets back. He doesn't actually call Mordanis scum. He critiques his play in every way, but concludes with a "needs to shape up". A totally unnecessary bye for him, and moving onto waiting for CL. And he doesn't address scib's case against him but merely comments to me - either you see it as a townie pushing for your mislynch and you want that cleared up, or you think it's a scum push and you prove to everyone about it - dismissing it is a scum reaction. I think Forumite is a good D1 lynch. ##Vote: Forumite I also request that people start casting votes earlier if possible. The (for me) morning deadline is hard to be around and I want to be able to make the best decision prior. Plurality lynches are dangerous if we don't consolidate since scum votes have more sway in who they want to lynch, and I don't want my vote wasted. | ||
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On August 09 2012 02:10 marvellosity wrote: yeah - why would he bring it up with me again? It just goes to highlight the whole thing. What do you think? Like I said, it is strange but I don't find it a strong alignment indicative strange. It could be a town action trying to come to mutual understanding with another player, or it could be scum action fearful of repercussions if left unsaid and so addressing it early. I mentioned how I chose to internally take the advice (if I recall correctly), but scum could also do that in fear of being exposed. In either case I don't find it weighty enough to override my read on his general play. | ||
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Hey Hiro, could we get some current opinions / reads from you? | ||
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In particular our votes are split pretty evenly which is worst case scenario. We should look at consolidation with what we have now - D1 lynch matters people. I'll be catching up on thread reviewing the other cases, but unless people are finding issue with the case on Forumite I urge you to consolidate. | ||
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On August 09 2012 13:01 HiroPro wrote: Why are you so unwilling to name names and call out people? I have limited time and going through the thread to make a list isn't a productive use of my time. Why are you so intent on drawing discussion away from him again? | ||
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I'm finding general inconsistency in his posting, almost like he is making stuff up as he goes along. Explanations seem more convoluted than the situation calls for. Furthermore, he is also of the party that has not talked about the scib's case, and by his tone it seems he is null / town on Forumite, which would warrant defense of him yet he doesn't do that, i.e. doesn't care who gets lynched. Only thing I'm iffy on is the of the case against him runs directly counter to the case on Forumite and people's general excuses and hesitation to speak on the matter. I feel much more comfortable with a Forumite lynch. | ||
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Everyone should say something about Forumite. Votes should accompany whatever stance you take. Additionally, votes should start consolidating. | ||
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Which leads me to look into the prplhz lynch group based on that heuristic of being fearful of getting caught on a mislynch, where I find some independent agreement with my analysis. This will probably serve as my deadline post as I am not confident in my ability to wake up early. marvellosity: General wishy-washyness on D1 lynch I find marv to be extremely laid back / on the fence this game. He was pretty on the fence about Forumite and I thought it could have been reasonable town confusion / indecision. However as CL has pointed out, as he invites people to discuss the case he then quickly follows up with a case and vote on CL. On August 09 2012 00:16 marvellosity wrote: People should be discussing scib's case/Forumite today please. On August 09 2012 00:31 marvellosity wrote: In short, Custos Luna doesn't give a shit about town. His original quote-post of scib's was unexplained with his own opinion and served to disrupt the thread by making people talk about an irrelevant non-contradiction. He excuses himself for scumhunting. He is currently my favourite lynch target. ##Vote: Custos Luna It doesn't matter if he was truly ninja'd or not. His train of thought doesn't align - he is confused about Forumite and wants more discussion, which is totally fine, but then he follows with a case and vote on CL. On August 09 2012 00:50 marvellosity wrote: you misread: scib's case = Forumite, not scib AND forumite. i.e. I want people to be discussing Forumite (something you have avoided doing three times already on this page) but you were my current strongest read. Clear? On August 09 2012 01:43 marvellosity wrote: my case against CL does not need to be furthered. I am unsure about aspects of Forumite which is why I particularly want it discussed. Now why don't you actually do so instead of nitpicking? He calls CL his strongest read. However he doesn't push that for a lynch despite being uncertain about Forumite. Looks like he wants to be seen as involved with the case but doesn't quite take a stance, nor pushes something which is more certain to him. On August 09 2012 05:24 marvellosity wrote: I'm going to look more into the Forumite situation. Need to mull over what slOosh said to me and also see if I can make anything out of what seems to be a lot of 'meh' from people about it. On August 09 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote: ugh this Forumite stuff is soooo dense. Ends up leaving his vote on prplhz without a final stance on Forumite we can hold him accountable to. Discrediting Mordanis while calling him town There is also the issue with the way he pressures: On August 09 2012 19:03 marvellosity wrote: Long story short, its either the worst "scum-tell" in history or a pressure vote. First off, lurking/inactivity is a really bad scum-tell. One prominent example comes to mind+ Show Spoiler + Mufaa/Skware in NMM 14, where one player was replaced because he didn't post at all in a cycle or two, and his replacement posted a total of like 4 times in 4 cycles, and 3 of them were in the first cycle he replaced into. He literally didn't post for at least 2 cycles and missed at least 2 votes, and he was town. this is so frighteningly bad I can't believe it. carry on mordanis. On August 09 2012 00:31 marvellosity wrote: In short, Custos Luna doesn't give a shit about town. His original quote-post of scib's was unexplained with his own opinion and served to disrupt the thread by making people talk about an irrelevant non-contradiction. He excuses himself for scumhunting. He is currently my favourite lynch target. ##Vote: Custos Luna This is the exact same reason that marv first votes for CL!!! Not only that, notice that he calls him bad. Again, he does it: On August 09 2012 19:34 marvellosity wrote: I'm perplexed by Mordanis's cases so far (on me or otherwise), and sorry bro, I don't know your posting well enough to understand if it's scum motivation or if they're just awful and full of contradictions. This is of course on someone who has a "town" read on. On August 10 2012 08:46 marvellosity wrote:As for Mordanis. The meta read I get off him at the moment is town because of the fact he made a case on me. The game I remember him winning as scum he basically blended into the woodwork. Taking me on doesn't seem like the kind of risk or play he'd make as scum I don't think. Notice the subtle contradiction. He is content calling Mordanis town, but is willing to openly call him bad as to discredit anything he has said / will say. This is treatment usually reserved for scum if done at all, yet this is what marv does. All in all I find marv to be scummiest out of the bunch. I'll be here for lil bit (cafe closes in ~15 minutes), and then probably try to squeeze in some posting around lunch time tomorrow. Internet problem should be fixed by the weekend though if I live that long. | ||
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I'll be rereading in light of the flip and also the 3 deadline posts from CL, Keirathi and HiroPro, and hopefully have some thoughts ready by early today. | ||
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On August 10 2012 23:08 Custos Luna wrote: Since you've all heard my original case on Mordanis, I will start with HiroPro. Hiro's D1 posts were pretty useless. His entire filter is mostly 1 to 2 liners. He jumps on the prplhz wagon. He wants to distance himself from his scumbuddy. Could you explain how this is scummy? Because if you can't it means your read on HiroPro is entirely based off prplhz's unknown alignment. On August 09 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote: -- Mordanis -- His play fits the way he played as town in NMM XXII so far. However, his lack of scumhunting is kind of bothering me, because even despite the verbosity and the absurb "discussion" case to start the game, he still had a reasonable case (or two?) before day 1 deadline. He did end up having good reads in that game though, once you waded through all the verbosity, so hopefully he gets some cases out soon. What's your opinion on Mordanis in light of his marv case? Also Shiaopi in general. Catching up on DYH's case. | ||
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I think scum are quite unlikely to pull off a double lynch hammer ever since it is a 1 for 1 trade (cause it assumes you can get a mislynch without it) ... but DYH is definitely correct that giving lynch decision to your scum read makes absolutely no sense and is shirking responsibility. Shiaopi what do you make of the Mordanis - CL issue? | ||
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On August 11 2012 21:16 sciberbia wrote: on Custos Luna That said, I'm not comfortable with the overwhelming anti-CL sentiment in the thread right now. There are several things in his filter that suggest to me that he is townie. But before I try to dissuade anyone from voting him today, I'd like to see his response to DYH's case. I think it would be good if you brought them out. I'm wavering on him because his end of N1 reads included HiroPro, whom I have also had suspicions on but not yet voiced. He did it before people started to openly express that suspicion, indicating that it was probably not a temperature gauge of picking who the town thinks is scummy and going after them. @CL - Could you clarify what exactly you found suspicious in HiroPro's posting? I want to see if your train of thought is similar to mine or if you just took a stab in the dark and got lucky. | ||
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To everyone who is dismissing Mordanis' suspicious play solely because his posting looks like that regardless of his alignment, how are we going to catch him as scum? For instance, On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote: Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. I looked up Mordanis' scum play in Newbie Mafia XIV and in the scumQT he never ran anything by for double check analysis. It turns out I also happened to spec the game (guess I just forgot that I did), and from what I recall, he wasn't someone who had an inherently difficult to understand playstyle. This is a totally unwarranted excuse to call Mordanis and alleviate suspicions on him. sciberbia could I get your thoughts on CL soon? I'm wondering if this is indeed a misdirection away from Mordanis onto an easy lynch or if CL was caught doing something scummy and is backpedalling. To everyone who defended Mordanis on meta, could you please re-clarify how he is town? | ||
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On August 12 2012 08:54 Keirathi wrote: Mostly because in my thorough read-through of filters during the night phase, I started thinking that there's a much higher chance of Hiro being scum if prplhz is. If prplhz is scum, then the few actual things that Hiro did on d1 point towards him being scum as well. But why would scum Hiro feel the need to change his vote from prplhz to Forumite when town was basically evenly split? Not that its impossible for Hiro to be scum without prpl, but it makes much more sense to me to lynch prplhz first. I have a huge problem with this - it's essentially lynching for information. We either lynch HiroPro because he looks scummy regardless of prplhz or we lynch prplhz because he looks scummy regardless of HiroPro. Suggesting a pair of lynches like that in a specific order is extremely dangerous. On August 12 2012 08:18 sciberbia wrote: @slOosh I just gave my thoughts on CL, and I think now would be a good time for you to clearly state your opinion of him. I've looked over your post and reread filters and what is still left unaddressed with CL is this - he has dropped his HiroPro read in favor of the prplhz lynch, which was one of the big town cards in my mind. Words are easy - votes and lynches are where you put your money where your mouth is. He hasn't done this. I find HiroPro more scummier than CL and would vote him but I do not wish to cause an accidental double lynch. I'll be on for another hour or two if people are willing to swap from CL to HiroPro. If people are opposed or we don't have enough time I'm fine with lurker lynching prplhz. | ||
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On August 11 2012 01:01 sciberbia wrote: Anyway, I didn't get to as much filter reading last night as I would have liked, and I really don't know who I'd most like to lynch today. I agree that HiroPro's vote switch was suspicious, but it probably means nothing is prplhz is town, and possibly means everything if prplhz is scum, so I'm not sure what to make of the situation, as I am pretty null on prplhz right now. On August 12 2012 08:59 sciberbia wrote: If prplhz is town why would scum HiroPro make a dubious voteswitch just to lynch one townie over another townie? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If prplhz is scum Obviously, the vote switch is very sketchy if prplhz is scum. Do you think this reasoning is valid? Do you think it therefore makes sense to lynch prplhz before HiroPro? On August 12 2012 09:39 sciberbia wrote: -- I'm quite suspicious of HiroPro as well, and I think HiroPro is only likely to be scum if prplhz is as well Wait, what!? | ||
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I think HiroPro is suspicious for reasons other than his voteswitch was why the last statement looked so off. | ||
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On August 12 2012 13:12 sciberbia wrote: @slOosh Yes I'd be interested to hear your other reasons on HiroPro. My only real beef with him apart from his vote switch and his lurking is how he goes from saying nothing at all about CL from confidently asserting that CL is scum based on 1 post. And he appeals to 'vet knowledge' in his case against CL, which I think is scummy. I think it only makes any sense to lynch HiroPro today if you think it is quite possible that HiroPro is scum but that prplhz is town. Do you think this is likely? Do you really see HiroPro making that vote switch in this scenario? I think it was TL Mafia LIV where town was split between two mislynches, and Risen (scum) switched from one townie to another, much similar to the situation we have here. What ended up happening was that everyone started thinking like you are right now, saying "no way scum would bother doing that", and for that no one suspected him. I'm not saying that HiroPro is scum and prplhz is town - please don't insinuate that I am. I'm saying the possibility is there and pidgeon-holing our mentality like that can really backfire. My reasons on HiroPro is general feel of his tone and approach. I played with him in PYP: Poison where I he was much more straight forward and clear, and on several occasions this game I find him to do the opposite. So a combination of meta and what I would call indecisiveness (not taking hard stances but willing to cast suspicions no problem). | ||
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On August 14 2012 02:22 Custos Luna wrote: You beat me to the punch there and pretty much said most of what I wanted to. Mordanis changed his stance on me very quickly once Scib defended me and it was pretty clear that my lynch was not going to go through. A complete turn around from his previous opinions on my alignment. Also, since HiroPro is indisposed (and is more than likely a scum member), we know there is only one scum member active. Scib was the first (and really only) person to step up and make a case in my defense. He is now dead because of this. Mord is the only active player left who I have been consistently targeting, calling him out as the remaining scum member. ##vote Mordanis OK this is the 2nd time you have tried to interpret the night kill in a favorable way to yourself. First time with marv was WIFOMish - perhaps an innocent mistake. However in this case, it is clear from sciberbia's filter that he was leaning town on Mordanis as well. With his kill you assert that the NK is scum killing your defender and pushing for your mislynch, when scib could also have defended Mordanis should his lynch appear. Why is this? On August 14 2012 04:43 ShiaoPi wrote: What are you talking about? DYH posted his case after Mordanis' vote, and so how does "piling onto CL" make sense if he did it before? (I doubt you are insinuating DYH is scum as well).@Mord: Right one point in your favor is the timestamp, that's one thing I messed up with while rereading, does not take away the main effect, that you were piling onto CL as long as you had DYH applying pressure as well. When it subsided a bit due to scib's defense you turned around. Yes your vote was before the case, does not change the fact that you were on the fence about it only as long as you were not the only one doing pressure. On August 14 2012 04:43 ShiaoPi wrote: Also regarding prphlz meta, did you check the games that were referenced to? It got pretty obvious that prphlz was different from his town games. I do not believe you to be a mindless sheep, I believe you to check a game in the past to see if the metaargument does any sense. Since you obviously did not check I can only assume two things lazy townie or scum who does not bother to read up on meta, since you know that prphlz is red anyway. On August 09 2012 21:08 ShiaoPi wrote: At the moment I really do not know if it is that good to lynch prphlz...It is a lurker lynch bascially, flipping a coin on the chance that it really is different from his meta because he is scum or that he simply lacked time. On August 09 2012 21:13 ShiaoPi wrote: What the heck is this? I like prhplz response to the votes, adds up onto my thoughts that he is just busy. It's really looking like Mordanis is a suspicious looking towny that's being set-up. Shiaopi is flat out going in with the mentality that Mordanis is scum and nitpicking his filter. ##Vote: Shiaopi | ||
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Reading up on the risk.nuke thing, didn't notice the timing of the vote switch. With his D1 vote do you think he anticipated a Forumite lynch? | ||
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On August 15 2012 06:33 Custos Luna wrote: See, I'm not sure. This is what's confusing me. It would have been rather ballsy to sit on prplhz even in the face of a D1 scum lynch. Well the fact was that a prplhz was very possible D1 and that only near the end did people sway off. It could have been that he anticipated a prplhz lynch ... | ||
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On August 09 2012 14:15 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count prplhz (5): DoYouHas, Marvellosity, HiroPro, Forumite, Keirathi Forumite (3): Sciberbia, slOosh, prplhz Mordanis (2): ShiaoPi, Custos Luna prplhz is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is in ~9.75 hours at Thursday, Aug 09 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Following this is a throwaway vote on marv by Mordanis, then risk's vote. I think he voted anticipating prplhz's lynch. | ||
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Double lynch will not work because to do it we need a split of 2-2 on the two scum, which requires co-operation of scum since there are only three of us townies, let alone the danger of if we lynch scum and town, where the scum can just last minute switch so only town dies. We need to consolidate early on one scum target - thinking ahead in this scenario is very dangerous. The scum we need to lynch today is ShiaoPi. Vote Analysis: D1: On August 09 2012 21:08 ShiaoPi wrote: At the moment I really do not know if it is that good to lynch prphlz...It is a lurker lynch bascially, flipping a coin on the chance that it really is different from his meta because he is scum or that he simply lacked time. Reading through the latest points of scib got me convinced that Forumite might actually be scum. Coupled with Mord actually starting to make sense, when I look at it from his point of view (no offense  ) and my discomfort with a prphlz lynch I expressed above, I will change my vote to Forumite. Since my vote on Mord achieved some success in getting him to post more sensible and it probably won't get any traction looking at it in 3 hours to deadline.##unvote ##Vote: Forumite Toward the end of D1 ShiaoPi puts his vote straight onto Forumite's mislynch after prplhz posts his "defense" and town starts swaying. See how the first bold line supports and encourages people to move their votes away from prplhz. But who is he switching onto? The second bold line shows how he says he is convinced that Forumite might be scum. It's very safe and distancing himself when Forumite flipped town. Also note how he says Mord makes sense - I'll address it later but we can see the start of how he is on the fence with Mord and only goes after him when CL starts to. D2: ShiaoPi was unable to access internet the whole cycle for a legitimate reason. Unfortunate because he posts 1 hour before deadline when prplhz is already set up to be lynched, and furthermore because his last post before this one prplhz was just another name in a list of equally slightly suspicious people (amongst Mordanis and HiroPro) On August 10 2012 08:23 ShiaoPi wrote: Mord: I believe my stance on him is quite clear from my filter. What I really do not understand is, while he is kind of right to place some distrust on marv his vote seems like such a throwaway especially with him being absent right after. But in regards to his voteswitch he delievers explanation and he makes sense with it. Also I think his play got a tad better since I called him out. I guess wait and see has to be the course of action on him. If he does some (wholly) decent case not like the against me or parts of the one against Marv I could see him as town, but until then no. Custos: I liked his play a lot (maybe biased because he was agreeing with me), he is also taking clear stances, trying to convince people of his opinions and as a bonus also did not doublelynch when he had the possibility (that would have been suicidal as scum though if both flipped town, so it might not matter that much.) Conclusively I want to keep an eye open on prphlz and Mordanis, while I want Hiro to answer my question before I judge him. as a heads-up I won't have too much time tomorrow and might not make it back before the deadline, will try though. Crashing out now at later than 1 AM. Night! We see here that ShiaoPi is ok with Mordanis, and putting him on the sidelines. Also notable is that this is where he buddies up to Custos when Custos was not in any danger of being lynched D1. Scum like to buddy town so they aren't suspected. Post analysis: I've already pointed out a HUGE contradiction in ShiaoPi's play - that he went in with the mentality that Mordanis is scum and nitpicked his filter for information to incriminate him. This is something only scum do - townies look at information first and then make a conclusion. Since scum already know alignments, they can only pretend to do this, but here he messes up setting up the mislynch and shows how he is just looking for information. On August 14 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote: What are you talking about? DYH posted his case after Mordanis' vote, and so how does "piling onto CL" make sense if he did it before? (I doubt you are insinuating DYH is scum as well). What the heck is this? It's really looking like Mordanis is a suspicious looking towny that's being set-up. Shiaopi is flat out going in with the mentality that Mordanis is scum and nitpicking his filter. ##Vote: Shiaopi His defense is as follows: On August 15 2012 18:04 ShiaoPi wrote: @sloosh: That's what happens if you miss Day2 almost completely. Those were statements from Day 1, where I thought it might have been possible that he really is just busy. Following Day 2 he still did nothing and if I had been present I would have stated my change of stance on him much earlier, can't do that though without bending time so yeah take this explanation or keep hammering me. Although it looks like Mord will live another day, I am fine with a risk lynch. Have to ask though, if risk flips town and Hiro as well, what are your reads? Now if you read the earlier parts of my case, you would know by now that ShiaoPi thought Mordanis' D1 play was OK! That it was looking better! There are two glaring contradictions here. One is that he is falsifying information to push a case. The second is that the logic he uses to push Mordanis is in fact things that he himself are guilty of. If you read his D1 stance and his D3 stance, they are totally at odds. On August 16 2012 01:07 ShiaoPi wrote: gg to both... anyone mind thinking about lynching Mord now? :> Once the risk mislynch happens you can see him trying to redirect us to lynch Mordanis! You see him kinda go-with-the-flow, pretending to push for Mordanis but agreeing with whatever mislynch appears! He doesn't ever fight to get Mordanis lynched, which betrays his hesitation to actually push for the lynch. ShiaoPi is scum and we need to gather all votes on him. If even just one of our votes are misplaced, scum can do a last minute vote switch. We need to consolidate early and fast. ##Vote: ShiaoPi I'm going on a trip today where internet access will be iffy, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to respond / explain, but I'll be back in time for the night to discuss the final scum. We can still do it guys! | ||
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I feel like me and DYH would have been pretty easy to pick out if people re-read in light of flips and with some objectivity. For instance, when prplhz flipped scum no one really looked into D1, where I pushed scib's Forumite case which helped the mislynch. Risk's lynch didn't really make sense and even when he flipped town no one gave regard for his end post read on CL. In an especially small game like this where filter reading would have been easy, no one actually seemed to do so, and Keirathi's flip should have shown that risk's lynch was townie led but scum supported. But yes inactivity is killer and this is why - I was never really pressured to say something that would show my contradictions. Not that you couldn't go through my filter and see how I have no direction with my reads, but it is doesn't stand out as much. Honestly if scib hadn't died N2 then we would be in huge trouble because we would have been dragged into the spotlight and our words more closely scrutinized. Good play by DYH, even though he was uncertain / shy early on he really got involved and comfortable with his role. | ||
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