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On August 06 2012 08:56 marvellosity wrote: Yeah baby, that feels good. I put on my robe and wizard hat. Scary. | ||
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I'm really looking forward to a bit of the dwarf fortress staple -- !!FUN!! @ShiaoPi: The point is, that after the first 2 mislynches it puts you in LYLO. Then you can vote 2 people again, and as long as 1 of the two people you vote that last day is scum, you win. | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote: Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit. Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present. Why would you want to guarantee one of our only 2 blue roles' death? Tracker might be "fairly useless", but its certainly more useful alive than dead. | ||
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On August 08 2012 08:40 DoYouHas wrote: P.S. Could someone explain the innocent child thing to me? I looked up the term on mafiascumwiki and it didn't seem to apply to this game. I think the general idea is that the watcher/tracker could claim early, and by virtue of scum generally not want to trade 1-for-1 by counterclaiming, that the watcher/tracker could be confirmed town for the rest of their time alive. I don't feel like it was a particularly good proposal though. If the watcher/tracker claims early, now either his lifespan is limited, or he will be roleblocked for eternity. As as "useless" as they might be, they are always more useful alive and getting results than dead or getting perma-blocked. | ||
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On August 08 2012 11:11 Forumite wrote: Initial read: Basically I thought I saw some kind of anti-town motivation here. I´ve gotten good reads from initial posts in other games, so I thought I had found something here. Current read: Nullread. I´ve thrown out my initial scumread, it was probably just the one odd post, especially as ShiaoPi showed that he was willing to discuss the setup just a few posts after the initial incriminating post. I changed my mind because I knew I wasn´t getting anywhere. I didn´t have much to start with, and I got conflicting reads the first time I reexamined the case. That HiroPro, marvel and prplhz spoke up against me making accusations and/or against the actual case mattered a lot too, because I doubted my read if none of the other "veterans" agreed, and because I didn´t want to distract the thread more than I had allready done. That´s about it, I´m back to square one on ShiaoPi. So do you think for yourself, or are you going to let HiroPro, marv, and prplhz do the thinking for you for the rest of the game as well? Do I think your initial read was suspicious? Maybe a tiny bit. It was really early, but at least you were taking a solid stand. I understand changing your mind can happen. I've changed my mind a lot in the past. But your reasoning for changing your mind is bogus. "Because the 'vets' questioned me" is just flat out boggling. | ||
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On August 08 2012 10:08 sciberbia wrote: Shiaopi I agree with Forumite that this post seems off. Shiaopi is no vet, yet he starts off the thread with this bravado, confidence, and authority. It just doesn't seem to fit with the more reserved Shiaopi I remember from NMM XIV. I see this post as a conscious attempt to look bold, which fits in more with scum goals than town goals. I dunno if I buy this point very much. Its been what...3, maybe 4? months since XIV. I didn't go back to check, but assuming his gameplay hasn't changed in that amount of time. I would expect someone to get more confident the longer the are around mafia games. Hell, I've gradually gotten more confident in just the last month of being around TLMafia. On August 08 2012 10:08 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 05:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @HiroPro: Seeing as you seem to want a tracker to claim at some point, how do you plan to confirm him (like an innocent child would be)? I don't think we would get mod-confirmation for a tracker and therefore scum could fakeclaim just as well. Kind of defeats the entire purpose you had when you try to confirm a townie via claiming. On August 08 2012 06:28 ShiaoPi wrote: @risk: It's more the general concept of Hiro to use a tracker claim as means of confirming town that I am against, not against claiming in general, but scum can easily counterclaim so it won't work that way. Shiaopi's analysis of HiroPro's innocent child proposal really doesn't sit well with me. He objects to the innocent child plan on the grounds that the tracker wouldn't even be confirmed town because scum might counterclaim. This is the part I have an issue with. He admits that it would actually be suboptimal for scum to counterclaim, but says that you should consider the possibility anyway. This suggests to me that he was just nitpicking the plan for the sake of nitpicking the plan. Why would townie Shiaopi object to a plan on the grounds that scum will play suboptimally and defeat the plan? Shouldn't he be assuming scum plays optimally? I'd really like other people's opinions on this point, because I might be biased by my own view of the innocent child proposal. You're right. We *SHOULD* assume that mafia are going to play optimally. However, I can't find any scum motive by saying they might play suboptimally. Maybe you could clarify why you think its scummy? Nitpicking just to nitpick is suspicious, but I've seen tons of townies do it too. Not sure if its enough for me to think he is scum yet, but enough that I'll keep a closer eye on him. | ||
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On August 09 2012 00:50 marvellosity wrote: you misread: scib's case = Forumite, not scib AND forumite. i.e. I want people to be discussing Forumite (something you have avoided doing three times already on this page) but you were my current strongest read. Clear? Not clear at all. Why do you want people talking about one case, while you're voting for a different one? That makes so little sense that I can't wrap my head around it :o | ||
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On August 09 2012 01:43 marvellosity wrote: my case against CL does not need to be furthered. I am unsure about aspects of Forumite which is why I particularly want it discussed. Now why don't you actually do so instead of nitpicking? I'm not nitpicking. I honestly think you're not making any sense. You don't want to get your scumread lynched, but instead want to talk about Forumite, and you try to discredit me for standing up to you about it. About Forumite: I really don't have much to add. He's said some dumb things and been stupidly wishy-washy, but I have a hard time believing scum would be so openly bad this early on day1. Not that its impossible, but I've never seen a scum be so transparent this early. And you dismissed it, but basically admitting that he was going to be sheeped by the "vets" still completely boggles me mind. | ||
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You're right about YourHarry, but that was exactly how he played town as well so it made some modicum of sense for him to play like that. I'll go look at Normal Mini though, since I don't know anything about prplhz. | ||
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So point taken, scum can play really..."badly" on day1. How often does it happen though? I can link you to a lot more examples where the person with the most Scummy Marks on day1 was actually a townie. This is part of why I always hate about the day1 lynch. Do I just vote the person who has the most scummy points? Or do I WIFOM around it because playing badly as scum just doesn't make sense most of the time? | ||
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On August 09 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote: If you're not gonna lynch someone for playing scummily day 1, what are you going to lynch for? That IS the problem, isn't it? In I Can't Believe, Vivax was easily the "scummiest" person day1. But his play really fit his town meta (and he was a blue), so I went with DropBear who I felt was playing scummily (and actually WAS scum), but in much less obvious ways. But in NMM XXII, I went with the scummiest player in Golbat. I was 100% wrong and lynched a blue. So, I don't know what the best way to make the decision on who to vote for is. Forumite is the most obviously scummy so far in this game, but my personal past experiences with day1 lynches have left me gunshy towards voting the most obvious scum. | ||
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On August 09 2012 04:34 Forumite wrote: @mordanis You still fill your posts with fluff. It makes you look bad and makes it harder to understand what you mean. I don't want you to defend yourself about this, it's done, but if your scumhunting looks like the last post then I'm going to vote to have you lynched. Not that I disagree with you that his posts have fluff, but take a look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315&user=137393 This is just his posting style. He always used a lot of words to get his point across in that game. I don't necessarily condone the practice, because his posts were generally hard to read, but to blindly condemn him for it is just as bad. All it takes is a little research to see that this isn't some new scheme he's using to try to pull the rug over our eyes. | ||
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On August 09 2012 05:12 marvellosity wrote: you pick many holes but have yet to take a proper stance care to do so? On Mord? Not particularly, no. His posts are extremely verbose, but so were his posts in XXII. 100% Null tell The whole policy vs heuristics thing was a misunderstanding that I believe you cleared up. They just aren't the same thing. Nothing he has done so far jumps out at me as particularly scummy. Both of those things are very similar to townie Mord in XXII, which Shiao obs'd, which was why I questioned him. I find that much more scummy than anything Mord has done to this point. | ||
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If deadline was coming up in 10 minutes and I had to vote *NOW*, I would probably vote prplhz. He just hasn't shown much interest in the game so far. However, I'm a bit intrigued by Custos. On August 09 2012 00:26 Custos Luna wrote: Also: Last night when I said ShiaoPi was triggering my scumdar, I meant Scib. Combination of tired brain + new names for me. This was just preliminary thinking before sleep. All opinions subject to change. Since then, you haven't mentioned what actually triggered your scumdar on scib. In fact, you went on to quote a post where you agreed and added more information to his case DYH. Unless your opinion did, in fact, change without you mentioning it, then I don't see why you would go out of your way to reinforce the case of someone you think is scum. also marv, I still don't understand your reasoning for forcing the discussion about Forumite when you think Custos is scum. You said you didn't need to perpetuate the case, but were you just planning to leave your vote on him and hope people hopped on at some point based on your meta case? It just doesn't make any sense to me at all. | ||
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-- Forumite -- I already said this, but his d1 play has been extraordinarily wishy-washy and boggling. I still can't believe that the general consensus is that him changing his mind solely because the "vets" pressured him wasn't particularly scummy. However, I've found that its much rarer that the scummiest day 1 candidate is actually scum. I would consolidate on to him in the morning if that's the consensus, but I think there's just as much chance of him being bad town as bad scum. -- Mordanis -- His play fits the way he played as town in NMM XXII so far. However, his lack of scumhunting is kind of bothering me, because even despite the verbosity and the absurb "discussion" case to start the game, he still had a reasonable case (or two?) before day 1 deadline. He did end up having good reads in that game though, once you waded through all the verbosity, so hopefully he gets some cases out soon. -- prplhz -- I really don't know what to think. He has lurked and hasn't contributed much at all. The 1 liners, and jumping on the most popular case once he did contribute doesn't help his standing in my eyes, and fits with his Normal Mini II scum play. For now, he gets my vote. ##vote prplhz I'll be around for a couple of hours for discussion though. | ||
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Without talking too much about a game that is still going, his post-day1 cases were pretty solid in general though, imo. | ||
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And marv's stances this game are really weird to me :o Anyways, I think I'm going to head to bed so I can be up an hour or two before the deadline. G'nite. | ||
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On August 09 2012 23:23 Custos Luna wrote: Forumite, it's the 11th hour and your neck is in the noose. Are you planning on just letting yourself hang? If you are town and there is anything that needs to be said, now is the time to do it. If you flip scum, well then good on town for not faltering. @Mord: The difference between you and I is that I established my case early and have backed it up and stuck to it. Your vote on marvel is fairly baseless and further shows your lack of commitment to anything in this game. No. Your vote is useless too, and you should vote on a real candidate. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CUPrO.jpg) So here are the people I'm most interested in today (in no particular order): risk.nuke 1)Did nothing on day 1 except talk about policy and setup until his vote on prplhz. 2)He didn't have a single mention of any scumhunting in his filter besides 2 one-liners about prplhz: calling him out for lurking, and voting him. 3)Made no mention whatsoever of the Forumite or Mordanis cases, but after the night flip he says "Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.". Why weren't you there defending him pre-flip if you were so sure he was a "cowbow"? 4) Just being off the Forumite vote makes me more weary of him. prplhz Nothing really new to add here. I still think he has a good chance of flipping scum. Lurking/uninterested, his one "contribution" was hopping on his counterwagon. Promise of more contributions, so lets see what happens today. HiroPro The timing and reasoning for his switch onto Forumite is suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 05:32 HiroPro wrote: Let's kill prplhz. As town he may act overwhelmed at times but he certainly doesn't display the attitude or lack of interest that he does here. This is much more like his scum games (Normal Mini II and Movie Star) where he acts annoyed and angry for no reason and does nothing. As for Forumite, I'll wait and see. The contradiction that sciberbia and slOosh talk about (wanting to pressure Shiao but at the same time withholding reasoning because ) is certainly present but he's brought a lot more attention onto himself actively than I would expect from a scum player and definitely looks interested in town affairs. We shouldn't lynch him today. ##Vote prplhz Extremely strong stance: Lynch prplhz, don't lynch Forumite. But then: + Show Spoiler + into On August 09 2012 21:01 HiroPro wrote: Alright, I'll vote for Forumite. I suppose prplhz could just be genuinely busy. ##Unvote ##Vote Forumite You seemed really confident in your initial read, so I find it hard to believe that this weak reasoning was enough for you to do a complete 180 on yourself. The fact that is was just 5 minutes before prplhz came into the thread to defend himself is icing on the cake. Also, I'm still extremely wary of marv. He made a case on CL then didn't want to talk about it anymore because "it didn't need to be furthered". What, were you just expecting people to hop on at some point for no more reasoning/discussion? Was it just a pressure vote? I really did't understand your reasoning, and got called out for "being on drugs" when I tried to get you to explain. Secondly, the style of his questioning is just weird compared to other games of his when he is town. Take a look at his filter in I Can't Believe It's Not Themed ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147&user=140487 for reference) and compare his poking and prodding to here. Its hard to put into words what exactly I find different, but his questioning this game feels...open ended? Like he doesn't have a clear goal in mind when he asks them. Nor did he seem very invested into who was actually lynched. Also he just feels less "bulldog"-y this game, but I'm not sure how much of that is because he's been busy. | ||
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On August 11 2012 03:37 Custos Luna wrote: What I presented wasn't even WIFOM. It's a scum plan that I recognize because I have done the exact same thing in the past and succeeded. I am not about to let it happen to me. I'm being logical, you're talking out your ass as you have done all game. No. He's right, your post was literally the definition of WIFOM. I'm not saying you aren't right, because I am suspicious of HiroPro too, but trying to outguess the scum, who aren't guessing to begin with, is what WIFOM is. | ||
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On August 11 2012 13:18 slOosh wrote: What's your opinion on Mordanis in light of his marv case? Also Shiaopi in general. His case on marv actually shared a lot of similarities to my personal problems with marv's play this game. However, I realized that it wasn't worth it to post a case on him that late in the day because it would literally lead to nothing. The day was 99.9% going to come down to Forumite vs prplhz, so I personally spent my time weighing the merits of each of those cases. My problem with his case, though, was that he voted marv with a 100% throwaway vote. Marv wasn't going to get lynched, so what was the point? On the other hand, I find it extremely unlikely that scum Mordanis, being a relative newbie, would want to pick a fight with marv if he knew marv was town. Overall, I'm leaning slightly town on him still. Regarding ShiaoPi, when I was making my list of suspects for my night post, I didn't find anything particularly overtly scummy. His case on Mord didn't make much sense to me because the things he called Mord out for (being overly verbose, and wishy-washy) is just how Mord is, no matter what his alignment is. It's like calling Chezinu out for trolling. Overall, pretty thoroughly null, maybe leaning slightly on the red side. I wouldn't be interested in pushing him today as I feel there are much better candidates. I'm really intrigued by DYH's case on Custos. Something about his late day1 play was bothering me, but I couldn't pinpoint exactly what it was. Sheeping someone that you believe is scum makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE. He's moved up pretty high on my current scum list. | ||
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The way I look at it is that you put yourself into a position that no matter what choice Mord made, nor what alignment that choice flipped, you could pressure him because of it. "Yea, ofc Mord picked the townie when I forced him to choose. He's scum." or "Yep, Mord was bussing because I was pressuring him to make a choice and he couldn't make the obvious wrong one. He's scum." Hell, you even said as much in your night post: On August 10 2012 23:08 Custos Luna wrote: He could bus prplhz to look more townie, but since he was forced to make the decision, it was not truly his own, and he would still be scummy in my eyes. It would also leave his team with 2 members after D1, a situation no scum team wants to be in. For his own safety, and the greatest benefit for his team, Mordanis was forced to vote Forumite. He ended up placing his vote because if there was a double lynch, it would have left his team at a disadvantage anyway. You backed Mord up against a wall that you planned to use to get him lynched. | ||
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On August 12 2012 05:30 slOosh wrote: To everyone who is dismissing Mordanis' suspicious play solely because his posting looks like that regardless of his alignment, how are we going to catch him as scum? ... To everyone who defended Mordanis on meta, could you please re-clarify how he is town? Every scum will make mistakes that you can pick up on. My whole point with defending his "meta" was that voting him for having fluffy posts is like voting Chezinu for trolling. He's going to do that as either alignment, so you're just as likely to hit a townie as you are scum. That was my main problem with the Mordanis case day 1. I originally gave Mord some townie points for making a case on marv. I find it hard to believe that any relative newbie would intentionally pick a fight with marv on day 1 as scum. However, the fact that it was at the end of the day, and that it is possibility that the marv NK was already planned so he didn't have to be extremely threatened about a big vote swing onto him at the end of the day kind of drags him back down to null. Nothing he's said has stuck out as particularly scummy in and of itself though. There is very little chance that I would vote him today over CL/prpl/risk. | ||
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On August 12 2012 08:18 sciberbia wrote: @Keirathi Is there any reason you didn't include HiroPro on this list, or are you still suspicious of HiroPro? I ask because I'm very interested in a possible HiroPro lynch today. Mostly because in my thorough read-through of filters during the night phase, I started thinking that there's a much higher chance of Hiro being scum if prplhz is. If prplhz is scum, then the few actual things that Hiro did on d1 point towards him being scum as well. But why would scum Hiro feel the need to change his vote from prplhz to Forumite when town was basically evenly split? Not that its impossible for Hiro to be scum without prpl, but it makes much more sense to me to lynch prplhz first. | ||
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I disagree with some of your other points in your defense of him (ie the "correct read on forumite" - of course scum would know he was town and could soft defend him as well...and the DYH case is a complete null-tell...scum make cases that they don't push quite frequently in my experience), but overall I think I feel less confident in a lynch on Cl than I do prplhz. ##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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I would say that I feel almost equally confident that either (or both) will flip scum, but I would lynch prpl because his flip gives information that risk's doesn't. | ||
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On August 12 2012 11:00 Bluelightz wrote: Unfortunately I can only post the flip later as I'm not on my laptop You still have 13 hours! | ||
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I believe prplhz has a good chance of flipping scum, and that has nothing to do with HiroPro. However, if I'm right and he does flip scum, then HiroPro jumps up pretty far on my scumdar. | ||
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On August 12 2012 13:59 DoYouHas wrote: HOWEVER, right now, I am demanding to know who CL actually is. I am seriously frustrated knowing that he is a vet but I can't look into his past games. Is it jcarlsoniv? is that what that whole thing that got edited out was about? Lol. Isn't that the whole point of playing on a smurf account to begin with? Either to 1) escape your meta so you can try different things, or 2) not have people biased against you just because of who you are. | ||
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On August 13 2012 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: It's really sad that you can get prplhz this easily on meta. Because I generally don't like using meta when I scumhunt. Wait, you've scumhunted this game? Where!? | ||
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You've done nothing this game. If you're town then you're a detriment to our team. But I don't think you are town. | ||
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On August 11 2012 00:00 Keirathi wrote: risk.nuke 1)Did nothing on day 1 except talk about policy and setup until his vote on prplhz. 2)He didn't have a single mention of any scumhunting in his filter besides 2 one-liners about prplhz: calling him out for lurking, and voting him. 3)Made no mention whatsoever of the Forumite or Mordanis cases, but after the night flip he says "Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.". Why weren't you there defending him pre-flip if you were so sure he was a "cowbow"? 4) Just being off the Forumite vote makes me more weary of him. On August 12 2012 09:19 Keirathi wrote: That being said, I think risk.nuke has a great chance of flipping scum as well, but I don't think his lynch gives us as much information as a prplhz one. I would say that I feel almost equally confident that either (or both) will flip scum, but I would lynch prpl because his flip gives information that risk's doesn't. | ||
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Analysis of the day 1 lynch & the voteswitch So this is basicly two different stories but I'd like to start with the voteswitch because that's what I said I would do and because that's what I feel like doing. I'd like to direct everyone here [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=15#297]clicky[/url] We're about to lynch a scum, but what happens? These are some of my points of interests. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#304]sciberia reinfoces his case on Forumite[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#306]Mordanis throws down a very bad case on a new candidate.[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#312]HiroPro voteswitches[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#313]prplhz shows up to defend himself[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#314]Shiaopi voteswitches[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#319]prplhz attacks Forumite[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=17#322]*Custos Lunas morning evalutation[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=17#327]Votecount 5-5, 1-1 (back to this later)[/url] And well just read everything after this because it would be easier to say which posts between this and the flip not to bother reading. I'm going to talk about Custos Luna and his actions during the voteswitch now. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 22:10 Custos Luna wrote: Ok, my morning evaluation: prplhz: I do not feel that the prplhz wagon has that much merit. He had a few poor posts early, but in the whole, he has responded fairly well to the case against him. He has defended himself logically and presented a counter argument against Forumite. In my experience, the D1 lurker lynch is almost always inaccurate. The prplhz wagon started because it was easy. The easy way isn't always the right way. I'm glad people are starting to reconsider the vote on prpl for this reason. That's not to say I think he's town, I just think he is less likely to be scum than others at this point. Forumite: I can see a scenario with Forumite flipping scum. He has been flip floppy all game, and people have pointed out his contradictions. However, he's still not the scummiest in my eyes. Mordanis: Am I really the only one who sees the COMPLETELY blatant lack of commitment from Mord all game? -First Half D1: Very fluffy posts with the promise to start scumhunting. -Second Half D1: Still more fluff. Makes a long post and FoSs shipoopi (still no commitment). He does not cast a vote until very late D1 (sleepy time in my time zone). His vote is on marvel. I would normally have no issue with this if it were at a reasonable time. However, this is crunch time. A lynch on marvel isn't on the table at this point. He makes a case and commitment on something that more than likely will not happen. Mord's posts are long and filled with nothing. He talks a lot but doesn't say anything. His posts are difficult to follow, and a lack of transparency hurts town. He avoids commitment to a case as much as he can. I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick [quote]&[comment] spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These [quote]&[comment] roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. ((I have some issues with the coding not getting it work properly, bare with it.)) As for the counterargument. I suggest you look through prplhz filter yourselves. This is what I think it looks like. Cheap shots. Once more it's just some nice words covering up the truth. Custos Luna is trying to persuade people to get off prplhz and he is using a decitfull way to do it because typing Prplhz counterargumented and defended himself sounds better then Prplzh twisted the light of his accusers accusations and took some cheap shots at the only other person that might get lynched instead of him in a chance to make himself look better by pushing someone else down. It makes all the difference when someone says He did this when he actually did something else even if they look simmilar on a quick look because it twists an event and changes the situation. It's very scummy behavior. I'll continue here because I don't like to make to long spoilers and to make sure you read everything. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. because of coding issues, where I have absolutely no idea where the fault is I'll end this post soon since I can't use any spoilers/quotes/bold/underlined without fucking shit up. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) Custos Luna is playing with a scum agenda. We need to kill him. Sorry that the last part is unorganised. Bloody coding. [b]DoYouHas and Keirathi are very likely town. So I just noticed this. Why didn't you mention sciberbia in your list of "very likely townies" considering it was your end-of-night post? I don't think anyone has had any suspicion of him at all this game, and I know I certainly had a big townie read on him. See, what I think happened is that you already knew sciberbia was going to die, so you didn't need to mention him in your analysis. Maybe thats pretty WIFOM, but on top of the rest of the reasons that I have been suspicious of you (lurking, uninterested, post regarding Forumite flip, etc), you have my vote for today. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On August 13 2012 23:56 risk.nuke wrote: Analysis of the day 1 lynch & the voteswitch So this is basicly two different stories but I'd like to start with the voteswitch because that's what I said I would do and because that's what I feel like doing. I'd like to direct everyone here clicky We're about to lynch a scum, but what happens? These are some of my points of interests. sciberia reinfoces his case on Forumite Mordanis throws down a very bad case on a new candidate. HiroPro voteswitches prplhz shows up to defend himself Shiaopi voteswitches prplhz attacks Forumite *Custos Lunas morning evalutation Votecount 5-5, 1-1 (back to this later) And well just read everything after this because it would be easier to say which posts between this and the flip not to bother reading. I'm going to talk about Custos Luna and his actions during the voteswitch now. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 22:10 Custos Luna wrote: Ok, my morning evaluation: prplhz: I do not feel that the prplhz wagon has that much merit. He had a few poor posts early, but in the whole, he has responded fairly well to the case against him. He has defended himself logically and presented a counter argument against Forumite. In my experience, the D1 lurker lynch is almost always inaccurate. The prplhz wagon started because it was easy. The easy way isn't always the right way. I'm glad people are starting to reconsider the vote on prpl for this reason. That's not to say I think he's town, I just think he is less likely to be scum than others at this point. Forumite: I can see a scenario with Forumite flipping scum. He has been flip floppy all game, and people have pointed out his contradictions. However, he's still not the scummiest in my eyes. Mordanis: Am I really the only one who sees the COMPLETELY blatant lack of commitment from Mord all game? -First Half D1: Very fluffy posts with the promise to start scumhunting. -Second Half D1: Still more fluff. Makes a long post and FoSs shipoopi (still no commitment). He does not cast a vote until very late D1 (sleepy time in my time zone). His vote is on marvel. I would normally have no issue with this if it were at a reasonable time. However, this is crunch time. A lynch on marvel isn't on the table at this point. He makes a case and commitment on something that more than likely will not happen. Mord's posts are long and filled with nothing. He talks a lot but doesn't say anything. His posts are difficult to follow, and a lack of transparency hurts town. He avoids commitment to a case as much as he can. I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick quote&comment spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These quote&comment roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. ((I have some issues with the coding not getting it work properly, bare with it.)) As for the counterargument. I suggest you look through prplhz filter yourselves. This is what I think it looks like. Cheap shots. Once more it's just some nice words covering up the truth. Custos Luna is trying to persuade people to get off prplhz and he is using a decitfull way to do it because typing Prplhz counterargumented and defended himself sounds better then Prplzh twisted the light of his accusers accusations and took some cheap shots at the only other person that might get lynched instead of him in a chance to make himself look better by pushing someone else down. It makes all the difference when someone says He did this when he actually did something else even if they look simmilar on a quick look because it twists an event and changes the situation. It's very scummy behavior. I'll continue here because I don't like to make to long spoilers and to make sure you read everything. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. because of coding issues, where I have absolutely no idea where the fault is I'll end this post soon since I can't use any spoilers/quotes/bold/underlined without fucking shit up. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) Custos Luna is playing with a scum agenda. We need to kill him. Sorry that the last part is unorganised. Bloody coding. DoYouHas and Keirathi are very likely town. So I just noticed this. Why didn't you mention sciberbia in your list of "very likely townies" considering it was your end-of-night post? I don't think anyone has had any suspicion of him at all this game, and I know I certainly had a big townie read on him. See, what I think happened is that you already knew sciberbia was going to die, so you didn't need to mention him in your analysis. Maybe thats pretty WIFOM, but on top of the rest of the reasons that I have been suspicious of you (lurking, uninterested, post regarding Forumite flip, etc), you have my vote for today. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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Risk wasn't even on the prplhz vote. Final vote count was: Custos Luna(1): prplhz(7): CL, Keirathi, sciberbia, sloosh, DYH, Mordanis, ShiaoPi No Vote: prplhz, HiroPro Any thoughts on that? | ||
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HiroPro I would want to lynch him today, but since he is likely to be modkilled, I don't see any reason in it. If he gets replaced, then I feel like we should probably lynch him. risk.nuke Copying points from my n1 case: 1)Did nothing on day 1 except talk about policy and setup until his vote on prplhz. 2)He didn't have a single mention of any scumhunting in his filter besides 2 one-liners about prplhz: calling him out for lurking, and voting him. 3)Made no mention whatsoever of the Forumite or Mordanis cases, but after the night flip he says "Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.". Why weren't you there defending him pre-flip if you were so sure he was a "cowbow"? 4) Was on the prplhz vote in a late position. New points: 5) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15845247 6) What was the point in his "Analyzing the vote switch" post? DYH already analyzed it on D2, and came to the conclusion that CL was scum, too. That post feels like he was just sheeping on DYH's work and opinion after the counter wagon didn't work d2, and using a lot of the same evidence to come to the same conclusion. 7) Analyzing his switch to CL after the DYH case, it makes sense for scum to do that. He started the early bus on prplhz, then switched off once there was a solid case on CL with a few townies on board. All things considered, my vote for today will stay with him unless someone has something extremely overwhelming. So since I have to go, some quick comments: Leaning slightly town on CL and Mord. Neither have posts that scream "SCUM AGENDA" to me, although I question CL's WIFOM posts after both nights a bit. ShiaoPi: Sloosh's case has some solid reasoning that I would like some answers for. His change of thought about prplhz particularly. I still don't feel like he's a better lynch than risk today though. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://mbahighway.com/wp-content/uploads/Interview-Questions.jpg) We're in LYLO now. Lets stop sucking, k? Yea, yesterday was probably my fault. I take full responsibility for our terrible lynch. Sorry risk The way I see it, today is going to come down to Mordanis vs CL (or maybe me? I hope not, but after my abysmal performance yesterday I would understand getting lynched at this point). Mordanis 1) General wordiness and fluff posts at the beginning of the game - null alignment tell from him 2) Random case on Marv with a throwaway vote at the end of the day - scummy point; I can't see any townie motivation for this when he really needed to be taking a stand on the candidates that were up for lynch. 3) Voted Forumite when pressured by CL to make a vote - minor scummy point 4) Soft defended prplhz on day 2 - minor scummy point 5) General inactivity d3 - null Custos Luna 1) We all know about him sheeping his scum read on day1 via Mordanis. I can't decide if this is just really terrible play or scum play. 2) His last post before he votes Forumite says something along the lines of "I'm not convinced there's a scum between Forumite and prplhz", then in his night reads post he is suddenly making the assumption that prplhz is scum to make a case on HiroPro and keep pressure on Mordanis. Following this, he votes for Hiro instead of prplhz, although he does eventually switch to prpl in the first position. Pretty easily could have been a bus, but doesn't necessarily have to be one. 3) WIFOM posts on day2 and day3 speculating on the reasons for the NK. Sorry, I don't have time to finish this before the day post, but just in case I'm the NK, I'll add that with my initial read through, I think CL has more things that don't add up than Mord. If I'm not killed, I'll write up a full case with quotes and opinions to go along with it. | ||
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Sorry Bluelightz for being relatively inactive. It was hard to find motivation to keep playing when the whole town was basically lurking | ||
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On August 19 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote: DYH: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/gts8a2CDre3 as you will be able to tell I couldn't tell at all who was scum :/ I accused everyone except for Mord at some point... What he said. We discussed it a lot after I died, and I could literally make a case on all 5 people at that point. E: Also a bit of a series of unfortunate events. I actually had ##protect marvellosity typed out night1, but at the last second I changed it to sciberbia because I convinced myself that marv was scum and scib was the clear second choice. However, that meant that I couldn't prot scib n2 now, when I was 99% sure he was going to be the one killed. | ||
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slOosh wrote: Keir is definitely more quiet than usual meta, but I think its probably because this game is so stagnant and it feeds off itself. Yea, I feel pretty bad about that, but you hit the nail on the head. My lack of motivation kept me from posting more to get conversation running, and the lack of conversation killed my motivation. Catch-22, and I feel pretty terrible for it. Also: rofl at protecting scum n2 and n3  n2 was basically just a throwaway protect because I was pretty damn sure that scib was going to be hit, and I was pretty sure I wasn't going to want to protect slOosh n3. The n3 protect was because I started thinking CL was mafia (because lets admit it, he had a lot of extremely scummy plays), and DYH was pushing him the hardest. In hindsight, I should have been more suspicious of DYH's "Oh yea Keir, good point I agree. ##vote risk". I dunno, my reads weren't really that great and like I said, at the end I honestly had no clue who the actual scum was because no one had done anything to appear especially townie, and everyone had things that could be construed as scum motivated. | ||
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On August 19 2012 03:37 DoYouHas wrote: Something that I realized might give me away later was the final vote count from day 1. In a situation where votes are on 2 main candidates, mafia almost always split their vote between them. In this case it was only slightly less likely because prplhz was scum so all scum 'might' have piled onto Forumite. Marv and I actually talked about that specifically after I died (and I believe he talked to VE about it to). We were all of the opinion that all 3 piling onto Forumite to save prplhz wouldn't have been a terrible play, because TL Mafia meta in general is that "scum never does obviously bad things". E: for reference: + Show Spoiler [IRC Chat] + [08/16][16:49:25] <marvellosity> Dwarf is annoying me [08/16][16:49:51] <marvellosity> i dislike not knowing the answer :< [08/16][16:49:57] <Laggy> its been annoying me since i made terrible saves and let the two active people get lynched [08/16][16:49:58] <Laggy> err [08/16][16:50:00] <Laggy> NKd [08/16][16:50:11] <Laggy> two active townies* [08/16][16:50:12] <marvellosity> haha [08/16][16:50:19] <marvellosity> your day 1 save [08/16][16:50:20] <marvellosity> was not a bad one [08/16][16:50:25] <marvellosity> just meant it fucked your day 2 save [08/16][16:50:32] <Laggy> aye [08/16][16:51:15] <marvellosity> games like that make it obvious why i get NKd, i mean i'm a reasonable scumhunter, nothing that glam... but i don't let towns go inactive [08/16][16:51:23] <Laggy> i kind of wish i did save you though [08/16][16:51:23] <marvellosity> fuck that shit [08/16][16:51:27] <Laggy> and then wasted my n2 save [08/16][16:51:31] <Laggy> then saved scib n3 [08/16][16:51:34] <Laggy> would have been epic [08/16][16:51:39] <marvellosity> hehe [08/16][16:51:40] <marvellosity> yeah  [08/16][16:51:50] <marvellosity> but like [08/16][16:51:58] <marvellosity> scib came across townier than me day 1, so what can you do [08/16][16:52:02] <Laggy> yea [08/16][16:52:06] <Laggy> hard to make that choice [08/16][16:52:26] <marvellosity> mm [08/16][16:52:32] <marvellosity> especially when you had some suspicions of me [08/16][16:52:34] <marvellosity> if you look back on it [08/16][16:52:36] <Laggy> like i said, if you *WERE* townie, you were pretty obviously going to be the n1 hit [08/16][16:52:37] <marvellosity> you can't blame yourself [08/16][16:52:52] <marvellosity> mm [08/16][16:53:01] <Laggy> i mean, scib might have been more townie than you, but i don't imagine any scum fancies trying to get you lynched [08/16][16:53:08] <marvellosity> no [08/16][16:53:23] <marvellosity> good luck to the one who tries [08/16][16:53:25] <Laggy> and you were already voting prpl [08/16][16:53:31] <marvellosity> mm [08/16][16:53:35] <Laggy> so it made sense from their pov to kill you [08/16][16:53:36] <marvellosity> in hindsight [08/16][16:53:37] <marvellosity> yea [08/16][16:53:40] <marvellosity> with my vote on scum [08/16][16:53:43] <marvellosity> someone who keeps town active [08/16][16:53:47] <marvellosity> who the fuck else are you going to vote [08/16][16:53:52] <Laggy> aye [08/16][16:53:55] <marvellosity> *NK [08/16][16:53:59] <marvellosity> but that info isnt in the thread at the time [08/16][16:54:18] <marvellosity> the day 1 votecount is seriously boggling me [08/16][16:54:27] <marvellosity> if DYH isn't scum, scum went all-in on Forumite [08/16][16:54:32] <Laggy> yea :o [08/16][16:54:48] <marvellosity> more and more [08/16][16:54:50] <marvellosity> i think [08/16][16:54:57] <marvellosity> that's not actually a bad play like everyone thinks it is [08/16][16:55:09] <Laggy> right, because everyone assumes you wouldn't do it [08/16][16:55:15] <marvellosity> yes [08/16][16:55:31] <marvellosity> and it's taken until now for it to become even remotely clear it's a possibility [08/16][16:55:45] <Laggy> meta is clouding people's judgement [08/16][16:55:59] <Laggy> mafia meta, not individual meta [08/16][16:56:06] <marvellosity> yeah. [08/16][16:56:20] <marvellosity> like [08/16][16:56:29] <marvellosity> if 3 people pile on to scum [08/16][16:56:40] <marvellosity> how are town supposed to determine the difference between the scum and the other townies?? [08/16][16:56:49] <marvellosity> if there's 2 on and 3 on, what's the difference [08/16][16:57:10] <marvellosity> *if 3 scum pile on to a candidate [08/16][16:57:17] <Laggy> yea [08/16][16:57:30] <Laggy> i think you have to look at their other arguments to make sense of t heir vote [08/16][16:57:39] <marvellosity> mm [08/16][16:57:46] <Laggy> not just the vote count itself [08/16][16:57:46] <marvellosity> it's why DYH's vote on risk was so weak [08/16][16:57:51] <marvellosity> but so was sloosh's [08/16][16:57:57] <marvellosity> this is why [08/16][16:57:58] <Laggy> and mine, to be fair [08/16][16:57:59] <marvellosity> townies [08/16][16:58:01] <marvellosity> need to not play [08/16][16:58:03] <marvellosity> fucking scummily [08/16][16:58:26] <marvellosity> that's at least as important as benig able to find scum imo [08/16][16:58:29] <Laggy> yea [08/16][16:58:36] <Laggy> risk really did fucking NOTHING [08/16][16:58:42] <Laggy> and then gets pissed when people call him scum [08/16][16:58:42] <marvellosity> meh [08/16][16:58:54] <marvellosity> i think i have more exposure to him [08/16][16:58:55] <marvellosity> remember day 1 [08/16][16:59:01] <marvellosity> when i made the "people who don't care" post [08/16][16:59:05] <Laggy> yea [08/16][16:59:09] <marvellosity> it was prplhz/CL, not prplhz/CL/risk [08/16][16:59:10] <Laggy> and it was just prpl and CL [08/16][16:59:12] <marvellosity> mm [08/16][16:59:23] <marvellosity> like [08/16][16:59:28] <marvellosity> I thought his case on CL was a huge towntell [08/16][16:59:36] <marvellosity> but i don't blame you at all for not seeing the same [08/16][17:00:23] <Laggy> it reminded me of mattchew in I Can't Believe [08/16][17:00:30] <Laggy> how he was just sheeping all of scib's cases [08/16][17:00:43] <Laggy> well, making a case on the same person [08/16][17:00:49] <marvellosity> yea don't do that [08/16][17:00:52] <marvellosity> i used to do that [08/16][17:00:59] <marvellosity> like [08/16][17:01:13] <marvellosity> "person A did x and person A was scum, person B is doing x so person B is scum" [08/16][17:01:22] <marvellosity> it's monumentally misleading [08/16][17:01:28] <Laggy> yea i know [08/16][17:01:34] <marvellosity> took me ages to learn it [08/16][17:01:44] <marvellosity> made quite a few mistakes like that [08/16][17:02:24] <Laggy> the one thing that made me actually second guess myself about risk was [08/16][17:02:34] <Laggy> reading through his late-game filter in bureacracy [08/16][17:02:42] <Laggy> he actually started trying [08/16][17:02:46] <Laggy> once he was under suspicion [08/16][17:03:03] <Laggy> in this game he just got angry [08/16][17:03:11] <marvellosity> hm [08/16][17:03:15] <marvellosity> i don't think that's much of a tell [08/16][17:03:31] <marvellosity> the trick with risk [08/16][17:03:35] <marvellosity> and it's superhard [08/16][17:03:46] <marvellosity> is to work out if he's at all invested even when it seems like he isn't [08/16][17:04:21] <Laggy> maybe [08/16][17:04:31] <Laggy> hard to judge that having never played with them though [08/16][17:04:34] <Laggy> or even know what to look for [08/16][17:04:35] <marvellosity> yup [08/16][17:04:37] <marvellosity> yup [08/16][17:04:46] <marvellosity> dunno if you saw in QT [08/16][17:04:56] <marvellosity> where i said that the risk lynch made me suspicious of DYH/sloosh [08/16][17:05:06] <marvellosity> i.e. the two players who DO know what risk can be like. [08/16][17:05:36] <Laggy> yea [08/16][17:05:37] <Laggy> i saw [08/16][17:05:44] <marvellosity> yea [08/16][17:05:45] <marvellosity> that was why [08/16][17:06:15] <marvellosity> do you know who voted prplhz day 2 that dind't day 1 by any chance? [08/16][17:06:49] <Laggy> i deleted my notes that had my vote-count [08/16][17:06:55] <Laggy> i can check though [08/16][17:07:34] <marvellosity> only if it's not too much effort [08/16][17:09:22] <Laggy> D1: DYH, you, me, forumite, risk.... D2: CL, Keirathi, sciberbia, sloosh, DYH, Mordanis, ShiaoPi [08/16][17:10:08] <Laggy> so scib, CL, sloosh, mord, shaopi all new...risk not on the vote that time [08/16][17:10:12] <marvellosity> mm [08/16][17:10:30] <marvellosity> ugh [08/16][17:10:52] <Laggy> yea doesnt help much [08/16][17:11:11] <Laggy> 4 of the 5 people who switched at still alive :p [08/16][17:11:44] <marvellosity> the interesting thing is where the tipping point is [08/16][17:11:54] <marvellosity> unfortunately that requieres rereading the thread [08/16][17:12:05] <marvellosity> i.e. where prplhz was a clear candidate for death [08/16][17:12:26] <Laggy> well risk voted prplhz like a few hours after the day started [08/16][17:12:45] <Laggy> then unvoted, and CL voted prpl [08/16][17:13:00] <Laggy> then DYH made his case on CL and 3'ish people voted for CL [08/16][17:13:13] <Laggy> then scib made the counter case, and I started the voting back on prpl [08/16][17:14:12] <marvellosity> so if DYH is scum, it's likely CL is town [08/16][17:14:30] <Laggy> fair assumption [08/16][17:14:38] <Laggy> it was a pretty big case that was meant to get him lynched [08/16][17:14:50] <Laggy> although DYH did give it up *kind* of easily [08/16][17:15:03] <Laggy> but scib is pretty convincing, so I dunno for sure [08/16][17:15:31] <Laggy> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15798886 DYH case [08/16][17:15:56] <marvellosity> thing is [08/16][17:16:01] <marvellosity> it's a really strong point he makes [08/16][17:16:03] <marvellosity> on the sheeping [08/16][17:16:23] <Laggy> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15811636 scib's follow-up that gets everyone back onto prpl [08/16][17:17:29] <marvellosity> yea [08/16][17:17:33] <marvellosity> it's why i've been confused on CL [08/16][17:17:38] <marvellosity> scib makes some good points in his defence [08/16][17:17:42] <Laggy> yea [08/16][17:19:43] <Laggy> sometimes i felt like scib and I were sharing a brain in this game :o [08/16][17:19:56] <Laggy> he would always say exactly what I was thinking [08/16][17:26:16] <marvellosity> VE thinks all 3 were on foru day 1 [08/16][17:26:43] <Laggy> its quite possible [08/16][17:27:33] <marvellosity> [23:23:55] <VisceraEyes> So they were probably all on Forumite [08/16][17:27:34] <marvellosity> [23:23:57] <VisceraEyes> Is my guess [08/16][17:27:34] <marvellosity> [23:24:04] <marvellosity> hmm [08/16][17:27:34] <marvellosity> [23:24:08] <VisceraEyes> Mislynch right? [08/16][17:27:34] <marvellosity> [23:24:10] <VisceraEyes> Forumite town? [08/16][17:27:34] <marvellosity> [23:24:16] <marvellosity> yea [08/16][17:27:36] <marvellosity> [23:24:21] <VisceraEyes> Then yeah [08/16][17:27:38] <marvellosity> [23:24:32] <VisceraEyes> They piled on Forumite to save prplhz [08/16][17:27:40] <marvellosity> [23:24:41] <VisceraEyes> Occams bro [08/16][17:30:23] <Laggy> prplhz was leading with 6 votes to 4 on Forumite...then Hiro unvoted prpl and switched to Forumite, and ShiaoPi unvoted Mord and switched to Forumite [08/16][17:30:29] <Laggy> then the Mord/CL thing [08/16][17:30:34] <Laggy> made it 7/5 [08/16][17:30:53] <Laggy> err wait [08/16][17:31:40] <marvellosity> fuck me [08/16][17:31:41] <marvellosity> what was hiro doing [08/16][17:31:42] <marvellosity> god damnit [08/16][17:32:11] <Laggy> 6-3 when Hiro switched, which made it 5-4..then shiaopi made it 5-5 [08/16][17:32:19] <Laggy> yea, no clue [08/16][17:32:25] <marvellosity> 5-4 [08/16][17:32:33] <marvellosity> ugh [08/16][17:33:17] <marvellosity> that CL thing [08/16][17:33:20] <marvellosity> is fucking everything up [08/16][17:33:29] <Laggy> haha [08/16][17:33:48] <Laggy> its so fucking dumb for either alignment [08/16][17:34:15] <Laggy> that its hard to get a read on it [08/16][17:34:15] <marvellosity> the fact we're discussing it [08/16][17:34:18] <marvellosity> gives you the scum motivation for it [08/16][17:35:17] <Laggy> yea, its easy to say "oh scum would never be that bad and call attention to himself" like scib said [08/16][17:35:38] <Laggy> but if you know everyone is going to dismiss it because its so dumb, then you could pull it off [08/16][17:35:44] <Laggy> WIFOM at its finest [08/16][17:35:49] <marvellosity> yes [08/16][17:35:52] <marvellosity> in LIII [08/16][17:36:05] <marvellosity> Risen last-minute voteswitched between two candidates [08/16][17:36:12] <marvellosity> causing the 2nd candidate to get lynched not the first [08/16][17:36:18] <marvellosity> both candidates were town [08/16][17:36:20] <marvellosity> Risen was scum [08/16][17:36:38] <Laggy> haha [08/16][17:36:47] <marvellosity> yeah [08/16][17:36:49] <Laggy> yea someone mentioned that [08/16][17:37:33] <Laggy> i want to play scum [08/16][17:37:38] <Laggy> and just do all the most obvious things [08/16][17:37:45] <Laggy> and see how long it takes me to get lynched [08/16][17:37:54] <Laggy> might not work since i'm a relative newbie though [08/16][17:38:00] <marvellosity> haha yea :p [08/16][17:38:04] <marvellosity> VE thinks CL is town [08/16][17:38:05] <Laggy> and people wouldn't be expecting me to not be dumb [08/16][17:38:07] <marvellosity> didn't buy into scib's defence [08/16][17:38:08] <marvellosity> er [08/16][17:38:10] <marvellosity> CL is scum [08/16][17:38:41] <Laggy> reading its filter, its really, really easy to make a case for him being scum [08/16][17:38:45] <Laggy> his filter* [08/16][17:39:30] <marvellosity> yes [08/16][17:39:31] <marvellosity> super ez, [08/16][17:39:54] <Laggy> his WIFOM posts about the NKs really boggled me too [08/16][17:41:44] <marvellosity> so if we take away the mindboggling stuff [08/16][17:41:46] <marvellosity> we're still left [08/16][17:41:49] <marvellosity> with his bizarrre sheeping [08/16][17:41:52] <marvellosity> and his total about turn on prplhz [08/16][17:41:54] <marvellosity> right? [08/16][17:41:59] <Laggy> yes [08/16][17:42:05] <marvellosity> i mean [08/16][17:42:07] <marvellosity> that's FACTS [08/16][17:42:27] <marvellosity> like [08/16][17:42:35] <marvellosity> his job was to save prplhz day 1 and bus him day 2 [08/16][17:44:10] <Laggy> and he didn't vote for risk on d3, he left his vote on Mordanis P.S. sorry CL we were a bit harsh on you | ||
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Keirathi
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On August 19 2012 07:46 sciberbia wrote: Because I don't know why scum would have wanted me dead if sloosh was also town. Like I'd have just been leading town in all the wrong directions if I were alive D3 and sloosh was town. And they definitely risked a doc save to kill me. It's hard to say this game because slOosh was scum, but in a hypothetical situation in which you were town *AND* sloosh was town at the end of day2, I really see no reason to kill slOosh over you. You were active, pushing reads, defending cases, and generally taking control over the thread. Scum can't afford someone with that much presence to stay alive, even if he has been off on his reads a bit. You would have eventually gotten it right, and had enough town cred to follow through with it, whereas sloosh might not have. E: Holy run-on sentence, batman. | ||
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