Yeah. I guess I can see your point CL. They attack each other, but tend to switch off to a different wagon for the vote. Take day 1 for instance. Shiaopi goes after Mord until Mord's posting quality goes up and then drops it. Mord goes after Shiaopi until his case gets attacked and he switches to marv.

It might not be as unlikely as I thought, and it definitely fits my reads. After taking a broader view I don't find that CL's bad play necessarily = scummy play, and I would lynch either shiaopi or Mord before him. And I feel like slOosh has been genuinely scum hunting.

##Vote: ShiaoPi

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 10:12 GMT

#604

Hey CL,
I would appreciate it if you wrote my nick correctly or abbreviate it as Shiao, while voting you seem to be able to do so, so it should not take too much effort right?

Reading through in detail now

Custos Luna

United States96 Posts

August 17 2012 11:26 GMT

#605

Hey shipoopie,

No.

Are you guys seriously just realizing I've been doing this now? I've been doing it all game.

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 12:33 GMT

#606

I realized it earlier and thought you were having an issue with typo... nevermind then I'll just say fuck you all the time as well. Thx!

Custos Luna

United States96 Posts

August 17 2012 12:47 GMT

#607

No skin off my back

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 13:50 GMT

#608

First off I believe Sloosh to be town. Genunine Scumhunting from him, unfortunately he is going after me and I am Town. I can totally understand why I jump out as scummy to him. I can say that my interactions with Mord are largely due to the fact that I have had a gut read of scum on him since D1. I cannot really convince any of you by saying "hey I think Mord is scum" that is where the "nitpicking" sloosh pointed out happened and stems from. I believe him scum and therefore I searched for things that made him scummy in order to convince the rest of town. Regarding my switch at the end of D1 I did not like a lurker lynch D1 and gave prphlz the benefit of the doubt for being busy something I changed after D2. I switched onto Forumite since he could have been scum, I admit I was not really convinced by it, but me voting anyone else would have been a waste of vote.

I did back off Mord a bit D1 as it was clear he was not going to be lynched, having only 2 votes close to deadline with 2 people having 3/4 votes respectively (IIRC).
D2 you call me out for "buddying" to CL (fuck you CL btw), I was under the impression he had a chance to be lynched D2 if scib had not defended him and catching up to the thread that close to deadline made me think a comment on general proceedings of the day was warranted. I had him as a town read at that moment, something I have reconsidered right now.

Furthermore I always tried to lynch Mord...D2 I was gone so I couldn't D1 I did it until it got clear that my vote would be worth more on one of the two principal candidates. D3 I pushed him again, only to have the majority of town decide to lynch risk, with what I was okay with.

Hopefully that helps with explaining my play a bit. If it does not work, keep asking maybe I'll convince you that I am town to avoid us losing the game right now. Maybe I should stop tunneling Mord like a madman, gut reads can be wrong anyway.

My other scumread besides Mord would be CL. While D1 halfway through D2 I had him as farily townie it changed with the way he played from then to now. Especially this post is ringing alarm bells:

On August 17 2012 09:20 Custos Luna wrote:
Sloosh, I think your case is pretty spot on. I have been tunneling Mord so hard (I do still think he's likely scum) that Shipoopie flew completely under my radar, and no one is at fault for that other than myself.

Mord pointed out that Shipoopie was hiding behind everything that I was doing involving the Mord case. I missed the fact that he defended Mord D1.

I'm good with shipoopie dead today. I'm looking forward to anything you can add DYH. I'm still in the process of rereading.

##vote ShiaoPi

He is in my opinion "safely" bussing Mord since he will not get lynched regardless of how hard I am tunneling Mord also he is blatantly mispresenting facts. I was the one to push Mord first D1 and D3, he always just jumped onto it as only other player basicly (which was also part why I had him as town until now)

##Vote: Custos Luna

Fuck you CL btw, your Latin is hilariously bad!

Custos Luna

United States96 Posts

August 17 2012 14:46 GMT

#609

Quite enjoying the ad hominem attacks, thanks!

You have not once "pushed" Mord. You've placed your vote on him, made a few points, but, again, made no real effort to see him lynched.

You say you switched to Forumite, but you weren't really convinced. Are you fucking kidding me?

On August 09 2012 21:08 ShiaoPi wrote:
First off regarding Mord:
While I can agree on your point that marv seems overly cautious I cannot agree with your points about his vote. What he does by pressure voting first custos then prphlz is to discourage inactivity and not getting involved with the discussion. How can you say that this is not playing with townmotivation in mind if it helps combat anti-town play?

But nevertheless, this seems to me at least an improvement from your case on me. It is correct to be wary of marv.

At the moment I really do not know if it is that good to lynch prphlz...It is a lurker lynch bascially, flipping a coin on the chance that it really is different from his meta because he is scum or that he simply lacked time.

Reading through the latest points of scib got me convinced that Forumite might actually be scum. Coupled with Mord actually starting to make sense, when I look at it from his point of view (no offense

) and my discomfort with a prphlz lynch I expressed above, I will change my vote to Forumite. Since my vote on Mord achieved some success in getting him to post more sensible and it probably won't get any traction looking at it in 3 hours to deadline.

##unvote
##Vote: Forumite

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

August 17 2012 14:47 GMT

#610

shipoopi!

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 14:53 GMT

#611

Just as much as I enjoyed them I hope CL!

If I have not pushed Mord how can you say that you tunneled him hard? That's a fucking ridiculous claim.

Also look at the thing you bolded, it says that Forumite "MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SCUM" it does not say HE IS SCUM, LYNCH THE RED DUDE, GO BURN HIM WITH FIRE

Seriously you want to argue semantics and you fail at it, just stop it.

marv, fuck you too! <3

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

August 17 2012 15:48 GMT

#612

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 19:01 GMT

#613

Hey Town!! You still alive? Right now you are mislynching really really badly, so please...
GET THE FUCK IN THE THREAD AND STUFF!!!

Thanks!

Custos Luna

United States96 Posts

August 17 2012 19:39 GMT

#614

Mmm...kicking and screaming generally doesn't solve anything shipoopie

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 19:44 GMT

#615

Just because you are happy to mislynch me for the win, does not mean I can scratch and bite at you and the rest of this inactive town in an attempt to salvage what chances are left for a town victory

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 19:45 GMT

#616

EBWOP:
Just because you are happy to mislynch me for the win, does not mean I cannot scratch and bite at you and the rest of this inactive town in an attempt to salvage what chances are left for a town victory.
stupid me

DoYouHas

United States1140 Posts

August 17 2012 19:45 GMT

#617

Until slOosh confirms that he has internet and can post I have to assume that he will be out of contact through the deadline. That means that the vote is between slOosh and ShiaoPi, period. Shiao is much scummier than slOosh, that is where my vote is staying unless slOosh gets back changes things.

Custos Luna

United States96 Posts

August 17 2012 19:46 GMT

#618

Oh, lynching you isn't for the win. We still need another day to pop your scum buddy

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

August 17 2012 19:52 GMT

#619

well at least DYH is here and reading. Mord has vanished for the entire cycle thus far which is fucking crap anyway. Seriously I know I played a horrible town game but still loosing this because sloosh might not have internet is the stupidest loss ever.

Mordanis

United States893 Posts

August 18 2012 07:59 GMT

#620

Really sorry I haven't been as active as I'd have liked T.T

As I wrote earlier, I'm pretty sure SP is scum, and his lack of scum hunting while under suspicion pretty much seals my vote. There is no reason for a townie in LYLO to only defend himself. His only goal this cycle seems to have been to keep himself from being lynched, which seems much more of a scum goal at this point. As scum, it can't hurt and you also can't slip and give away your scumbuddy.

##Vote: ShiaoPi