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I'm writing up my reply to your objection now. | ||
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I believe prplhz has a good chance of flipping scum, and that has nothing to do with HiroPro. However, if I'm right and he does flip scum, then HiroPro jumps up pretty far on my scumdar. | ||
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On August 12 2012 13:59 DoYouHas wrote: HOWEVER, right now, I am demanding to know who CL actually is. I am seriously frustrated knowing that he is a vet but I can't look into his past games. Is it jcarlsoniv? is that what that whole thing that got edited out was about? Lol. Isn't that the whole point of playing on a smurf account to begin with? Either to 1) escape your meta so you can try different things, or 2) not have people biased against you just because of who you are. | ||
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On August 13 2012 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: It's really sad that you can get prplhz this easily on meta. Because I generally don't like using meta when I scumhunt. Wait, you've scumhunted this game? Where!? | ||
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You've done nothing this game. If you're town then you're a detriment to our team. But I don't think you are town. | ||
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On August 11 2012 00:00 Keirathi wrote: risk.nuke 1)Did nothing on day 1 except talk about policy and setup until his vote on prplhz. 2)He didn't have a single mention of any scumhunting in his filter besides 2 one-liners about prplhz: calling him out for lurking, and voting him. 3)Made no mention whatsoever of the Forumite or Mordanis cases, but after the night flip he says "Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.". Why weren't you there defending him pre-flip if you were so sure he was a "cowbow"? 4) Just being off the Forumite vote makes me more weary of him. On August 12 2012 09:19 Keirathi wrote: That being said, I think risk.nuke has a great chance of flipping scum as well, but I don't think his lynch gives us as much information as a prplhz one. I would say that I feel almost equally confident that either (or both) will flip scum, but I would lynch prpl because his flip gives information that risk's doesn't. | ||
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And I wasn't RB'd yesterday. | ||
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Analysis of the day 1 lynch & the voteswitch So this is basicly two different stories but I'd like to start with the voteswitch because that's what I said I would do and because that's what I feel like doing. I'd like to direct everyone here [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=15#297]clicky[/url] We're about to lynch a scum, but what happens? These are some of my points of interests. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#304]sciberia reinfoces his case on Forumite[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#306]Mordanis throws down a very bad case on a new candidate.[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#312]HiroPro voteswitches[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#313]prplhz shows up to defend himself[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#314]Shiaopi voteswitches[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=16#319]prplhz attacks Forumite[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=17#322]*Custos Lunas morning evalutation[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346¤tpage=17#327]Votecount 5-5, 1-1 (back to this later)[/url] And well just read everything after this because it would be easier to say which posts between this and the flip not to bother reading. I'm going to talk about Custos Luna and his actions during the voteswitch now. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 22:10 Custos Luna wrote: Ok, my morning evaluation: prplhz: I do not feel that the prplhz wagon has that much merit. He had a few poor posts early, but in the whole, he has responded fairly well to the case against him. He has defended himself logically and presented a counter argument against Forumite. In my experience, the D1 lurker lynch is almost always inaccurate. The prplhz wagon started because it was easy. The easy way isn't always the right way. I'm glad people are starting to reconsider the vote on prpl for this reason. That's not to say I think he's town, I just think he is less likely to be scum than others at this point. Forumite: I can see a scenario with Forumite flipping scum. He has been flip floppy all game, and people have pointed out his contradictions. However, he's still not the scummiest in my eyes. Mordanis: Am I really the only one who sees the COMPLETELY blatant lack of commitment from Mord all game? -First Half D1: Very fluffy posts with the promise to start scumhunting. -Second Half D1: Still more fluff. Makes a long post and FoSs shipoopi (still no commitment). He does not cast a vote until very late D1 (sleepy time in my time zone). His vote is on marvel. I would normally have no issue with this if it were at a reasonable time. However, this is crunch time. A lynch on marvel isn't on the table at this point. He makes a case and commitment on something that more than likely will not happen. Mord's posts are long and filled with nothing. He talks a lot but doesn't say anything. His posts are difficult to follow, and a lack of transparency hurts town. He avoids commitment to a case as much as he can. I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick [quote]&[comment] spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These [quote]&[comment] roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. ((I have some issues with the coding not getting it work properly, bare with it.)) As for the counterargument. I suggest you look through prplhz filter yourselves. This is what I think it looks like. Cheap shots. Once more it's just some nice words covering up the truth. Custos Luna is trying to persuade people to get off prplhz and he is using a decitfull way to do it because typing Prplhz counterargumented and defended himself sounds better then Prplzh twisted the light of his accusers accusations and took some cheap shots at the only other person that might get lynched instead of him in a chance to make himself look better by pushing someone else down. It makes all the difference when someone says He did this when he actually did something else even if they look simmilar on a quick look because it twists an event and changes the situation. It's very scummy behavior. I'll continue here because I don't like to make to long spoilers and to make sure you read everything. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. because of coding issues, where I have absolutely no idea where the fault is I'll end this post soon since I can't use any spoilers/quotes/bold/underlined without fucking shit up. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) Custos Luna is playing with a scum agenda. We need to kill him. Sorry that the last part is unorganised. Bloody coding. [b]DoYouHas and Keirathi are very likely town. So I just noticed this. Why didn't you mention sciberbia in your list of "very likely townies" considering it was your end-of-night post? I don't think anyone has had any suspicion of him at all this game, and I know I certainly had a big townie read on him. See, what I think happened is that you already knew sciberbia was going to die, so you didn't need to mention him in your analysis. Maybe thats pretty WIFOM, but on top of the rest of the reasons that I have been suspicious of you (lurking, uninterested, post regarding Forumite flip, etc), you have my vote for today. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On August 13 2012 23:56 risk.nuke wrote: Analysis of the day 1 lynch & the voteswitch So this is basicly two different stories but I'd like to start with the voteswitch because that's what I said I would do and because that's what I feel like doing. I'd like to direct everyone here clicky We're about to lynch a scum, but what happens? These are some of my points of interests. sciberia reinfoces his case on Forumite Mordanis throws down a very bad case on a new candidate. HiroPro voteswitches prplhz shows up to defend himself Shiaopi voteswitches prplhz attacks Forumite *Custos Lunas morning evalutation Votecount 5-5, 1-1 (back to this later) And well just read everything after this because it would be easier to say which posts between this and the flip not to bother reading. I'm going to talk about Custos Luna and his actions during the voteswitch now. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 22:10 Custos Luna wrote: Ok, my morning evaluation: prplhz: I do not feel that the prplhz wagon has that much merit. He had a few poor posts early, but in the whole, he has responded fairly well to the case against him. He has defended himself logically and presented a counter argument against Forumite. In my experience, the D1 lurker lynch is almost always inaccurate. The prplhz wagon started because it was easy. The easy way isn't always the right way. I'm glad people are starting to reconsider the vote on prpl for this reason. That's not to say I think he's town, I just think he is less likely to be scum than others at this point. Forumite: I can see a scenario with Forumite flipping scum. He has been flip floppy all game, and people have pointed out his contradictions. However, he's still not the scummiest in my eyes. Mordanis: Am I really the only one who sees the COMPLETELY blatant lack of commitment from Mord all game? -First Half D1: Very fluffy posts with the promise to start scumhunting. -Second Half D1: Still more fluff. Makes a long post and FoSs shipoopi (still no commitment). He does not cast a vote until very late D1 (sleepy time in my time zone). His vote is on marvel. I would normally have no issue with this if it were at a reasonable time. However, this is crunch time. A lynch on marvel isn't on the table at this point. He makes a case and commitment on something that more than likely will not happen. Mord's posts are long and filled with nothing. He talks a lot but doesn't say anything. His posts are difficult to follow, and a lack of transparency hurts town. He avoids commitment to a case as much as he can. I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick quote&comment spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These quote&comment roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. ((I have some issues with the coding not getting it work properly, bare with it.)) As for the counterargument. I suggest you look through prplhz filter yourselves. This is what I think it looks like. Cheap shots. Once more it's just some nice words covering up the truth. Custos Luna is trying to persuade people to get off prplhz and he is using a decitfull way to do it because typing Prplhz counterargumented and defended himself sounds better then Prplzh twisted the light of his accusers accusations and took some cheap shots at the only other person that might get lynched instead of him in a chance to make himself look better by pushing someone else down. It makes all the difference when someone says He did this when he actually did something else even if they look simmilar on a quick look because it twists an event and changes the situation. It's very scummy behavior. I'll continue here because I don't like to make to long spoilers and to make sure you read everything. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. because of coding issues, where I have absolutely no idea where the fault is I'll end this post soon since I can't use any spoilers/quotes/bold/underlined without fucking shit up. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) Custos Luna is playing with a scum agenda. We need to kill him. Sorry that the last part is unorganised. Bloody coding. DoYouHas and Keirathi are very likely town. So I just noticed this. Why didn't you mention sciberbia in your list of "very likely townies" considering it was your end-of-night post? I don't think anyone has had any suspicion of him at all this game, and I know I certainly had a big townie read on him. See, what I think happened is that you already knew sciberbia was going to die, so you didn't need to mention him in your analysis. Maybe thats pretty WIFOM, but on top of the rest of the reasons that I have been suspicious of you (lurking, uninterested, post regarding Forumite flip, etc), you have my vote for today. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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Should have it up within an hour or two. | ||
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Risk wasn't even on the prplhz vote. Final vote count was: Custos Luna(1): prplhz(7): CL, Keirathi, sciberbia, sloosh, DYH, Mordanis, ShiaoPi No Vote: prplhz, HiroPro Any thoughts on that? | ||
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Should have been: Custos Luna(1): prplhz(7): | ||
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HiroPro I would want to lynch him today, but since he is likely to be modkilled, I don't see any reason in it. If he gets replaced, then I feel like we should probably lynch him. risk.nuke Copying points from my n1 case: 1)Did nothing on day 1 except talk about policy and setup until his vote on prplhz. 2)He didn't have a single mention of any scumhunting in his filter besides 2 one-liners about prplhz: calling him out for lurking, and voting him. 3)Made no mention whatsoever of the Forumite or Mordanis cases, but after the night flip he says "Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.". Why weren't you there defending him pre-flip if you were so sure he was a "cowbow"? 4) Was on the prplhz vote in a late position. New points: 5) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15845247 6) What was the point in his "Analyzing the vote switch" post? DYH already analyzed it on D2, and came to the conclusion that CL was scum, too. That post feels like he was just sheeping on DYH's work and opinion after the counter wagon didn't work d2, and using a lot of the same evidence to come to the same conclusion. 7) Analyzing his switch to CL after the DYH case, it makes sense for scum to do that. He started the early bus on prplhz, then switched off once there was a solid case on CL with a few townies on board. All things considered, my vote for today will stay with him unless someone has something extremely overwhelming. So since I have to go, some quick comments: Leaning slightly town on CL and Mord. Neither have posts that scream "SCUM AGENDA" to me, although I question CL's WIFOM posts after both nights a bit. ShiaoPi: Sloosh's case has some solid reasoning that I would like some answers for. His change of thought about prplhz particularly. I still don't feel like he's a better lynch than risk today though. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://mbahighway.com/wp-content/uploads/Interview-Questions.jpg) We're in LYLO now. Lets stop sucking, k? Yea, yesterday was probably my fault. I take full responsibility for our terrible lynch. Sorry risk  The way I see it, today is going to come down to Mordanis vs CL (or maybe me? I hope not, but after my abysmal performance yesterday I would understand getting lynched at this point). Mordanis 1) General wordiness and fluff posts at the beginning of the game - null alignment tell from him 2) Random case on Marv with a throwaway vote at the end of the day - scummy point; I can't see any townie motivation for this when he really needed to be taking a stand on the candidates that were up for lynch. 3) Voted Forumite when pressured by CL to make a vote - minor scummy point 4) Soft defended prplhz on day 2 - minor scummy point 5) General inactivity d3 - null Custos Luna 1) We all know about him sheeping his scum read on day1 via Mordanis. I can't decide if this is just really terrible play or scum play. 2) His last post before he votes Forumite says something along the lines of "I'm not convinced there's a scum between Forumite and prplhz", then in his night reads post he is suddenly making the assumption that prplhz is scum to make a case on HiroPro and keep pressure on Mordanis. Following this, he votes for Hiro instead of prplhz, although he does eventually switch to prpl in the first position. Pretty easily could have been a bus, but doesn't necessarily have to be one. 3) WIFOM posts on day2 and day3 speculating on the reasons for the NK. Sorry, I don't have time to finish this before the day post, but just in case I'm the NK, I'll add that with my initial read through, I think CL has more things that don't add up than Mord. If I'm not killed, I'll write up a full case with quotes and opinions to go along with it. | ||
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