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Custos Luna
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Custos Luna
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Ok then, let's get to work. (My responses in his quote) On August 11 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote: Thank you thank you thank you Mordanis. Your point about me not including CL was absolutley right, and I was pondering my answer in the shower when I had a bit of a revelation. CL's voteswitch was unique from the others in a very specific way. He let you pick for him Mord. He implies multiple times that voting Forumite is what he wants to do, so why not actually do it? Actually, I stated many times that I was very unsure that Forumite was scum, which is why I left my vote on Mord for so long. His reason is that he fears that Mord will force the double lynch if he votes first. But is this a rational fear? no. If Mord is town then he would realize that everyone does not want a double lynch day1 and would not cause one. He probably would have sat on marv and been content that CL took the decision out of his hands. If Mord is scum then he would realize that the town is going to lynch him day2 if he forces a last minute double lynch and that a 2 for 1 trade isn't bad for town day1. Would the town chastise Mord for causing the double lynch?! Because, quite honestly, I have huge doubts whether they would. Neither alignment would have forced that double lynch in Mord's position. So why would CL put Mord (someone he is supposed to believe is scum, drastically increasing the chance of a mislynch) firmly in the driver's seat of yesterday's lynch? I can think of only one answer: CL knew that either choice would end in a townie flip and did not want to be tied to the blame for it. The language he uses leading up to the lynch only strengthens my belief that this is the case. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 23:27 Custos Luna wrote: Firm stance on wanting to switch to Forum, immediately hands reins over to Mord to choose Forum or prplhz.EBWOP: DYH, looking back, that does appear to be fairly accurate. I had thought more people unvoted off prplhz and onto Forumite. If it is necessary, I will switch my vote from Mord to Forumite to avoid the double lynch depending on what is said in the next half hour. However, Mord, you need to decide. Forumite or prplhz. Make your choice. Do so before I am required to or the wrath of the moon will fall upon you. How is that at all a firm stance on wanting to switch to Forumite? I said "if it is necessary" because I did NOT necessarily want to switch Forumite. I had said that, at the time, Forumite looked scummier than prplhz because prplhz has had next to 0 presence all game, but I wasn't convinced that Forumite was scum. I had also stated my misgivings with a double lynch and that I would avoid doing that if I could. Mord had been avoiding the commitment all game and I was now forcing it upon him. I was hoping that the town would see what I saw and follow my train of thought, but clearly that is not the case. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 23:36 Custos Luna wrote: Begins to distance himself from a Forumite lynch and even entertains double lynching.If one of prpl and Forumite are scum, the double lynch benefits us. However, I'm still not entirely convinced and I'm trying to figure out how to give us the best chance into this lynch. + Show Spoiler [Important One] + On August 09 2012 23:54 Custos Luna wrote: This is a very important post tone-wise. It starts with a mischievous tone with the bantering line of "I would never!". This bantering statement tells me that CL just relaxed a bit, or even is feeling a bit victorious. This is immediately is followed by an even bigger distancing statement, "Still unsure on Forumite. But I'm less sure on prpl". Then his 'moon' closing is even a bit off of the normal. Up until this point the moon comments by CL have been either normal signoffs or threats. This one is different, it reads to me like a self satisfied dig at Mord, which seems out of place until I fit it to my theory.I would never! Still unsure on Forumite. But I'm less sure on prpl, and I want to pad some security against a last minute swap/double lynch. Therefore: ##unvote Mordanis ##vote Forumite The moon is shocked that Mord has actually committed to something. Oh good lord this one is a stretch, but ok. My "moon" statements have all been flavor. Let's be serious, my name is fucking Custos Luna, I'm making some fun out of the game. This one post is no different. But you're right, I was feeling satisfaction. I was satisfied that Mord had been forced to make a choice. NB: responses in above spoilers ^^^ Custos Luna is SCUM ##Vote: Custos Luna And now to respond to this: On August 11 2012 09:07 Mordanis wrote: Waiting to see which bandwagon forms and jump in at around 3rd or 4th place? Why would you wait? Do you think that a 2 hour day cycle would benefit town? All waiting for the inevitable does is take away time from discussion, and make you look more scummy. If you're truly as transparent as you claim to be, you should be voting for your strongest of your 3 reads. Delaying only gives you the oppurtunity to jump on whatever bandwagon you please and takes time away. Which of prplhz, me, and Hiro are you most convinced is scum? Since you're pretty into commitment and transparency, I'm sure you'll be glad to tell us all. What's interesting about this whole thing is that since DYH has created his post on me, all 3 of you have completely flown under the radar. And I really wish I did have multiple votes. The sad thing is that nobody is remotely questioning prplhz or HiroPro. Neither of them have been present, and prplhz even promised to get back to us on his findings. ##vote HiroPro You need to stop lurking bro. | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
But maybe you guys are right. Maybe it was poor decision making on my part. I never claimed to be perfect. That does not change the fact that you are all sheeping an easy bandwagon and completely ignoring all the right people. On August 12 2012 02:26 Mordanis wrote: CL: Why would you vote Hiro? Your case on him is based on prplhz being scum, so shouldn't you try to go for prplhz first, and if he does flip the way you expect him to go after Hiro at that point? Gahh you're not making sense... It is impossible for me to get information from people WHO DO NOT FUCKING TALK. It didn't matter which player my vote went on, I'm more than certain you had an argument for each choice I had. The sun speaks in deceit, the moon lies in truths. | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
Also: On August 08 2012 05:26 HiroPro wrote: I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get. has no issues with a blue claiming. Even though he states he doesn't necessarily want it to be now, he puts the idea there. In his EoN1 post: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote: I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post. I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts. sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game. Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear. Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He says Mordanis is town, I'm scum, and makes the (very brief) case, and then Mordanis picks it right up once D2 starts. But, again, it's hard to do anything in a town environment in which I'm being tunnelled and no one is talking.@sloosh: His whole filter is filled with basically nothing. Asks questions, doesn't put forward much of his own opinions. Votes for prplhz, but it didn't take much convincing to get him onto Forumite once prplhz was set to be lynched. Also: On August 08 2012 05:26 HiroPro wrote: I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get. has no issues with a blue claiming. Even though he states he doesn't necessarily want it to be now, he puts the idea there. In his EoN1 post: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote: I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post. I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts. sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game. Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear. Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He says Mordanis is town, that I'm scum, and makes the (very brief) case, and then Mordanis picks it right up once D2 starts. But, again, it's hard to do anything in a town environment in which I'm being tunnelled and no one is talking. | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
On August 12 2012 05:00 Custos Luna wrote: @sloosh: His whole filter is filled with basically nothing. Asks questions, doesn't put forward much of his own opinions. Votes for prplhz, but it didn't take much convincing to get him onto Forumite once prplhz was set to be lynched. Also: has no issues with a blue claiming. Even though he states he doesn't necessarily want it to be now, he puts the idea there. In his EoN1 post: He says Mordanis is town, that I'm scum, and makes the (very brief) case, and then Mordanis picks it right up once D2 starts. But, again, it's hard to do anything in a town environment in which I'm being tunnelled and no one is talking. Oops, poor formatting, idk how that happened. Fixed in quote | ||
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Custos Luna
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I'm really wondering if prpl or hiro are ever going to do anything at all. Risk.nuke also very quiet. | ||
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Custos Luna
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On August 12 2012 08:59 sciberbia wrote: @Custos What do you think about what Keirathi just said? I've been thinking about this myself and I think it's likely that HiroPro is only scum if prplhz is as well. If prplhz is town why would scum HiroPro make a dubious voteswitch just to lynch one townie over another townie? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If prplhz is scum Obviously, the vote switch is very sketchy if prplhz is scum. Do you think this reasoning is valid? Do you think it therefore makes sense to lynch prplhz before HiroPro? I think the logic is sound, and it's pretty aligned with my thinking, but apparently my logic is flawed this game. My vote on Hiro was partially for pressure, but as I was a huge focus at the time (and I'm sure still am), I'm sure he felt no risk from my vote. Seeing as my connection case is on the basis of prplhz being scum, and he seems very keen to let me sit under the crosshairs and not scumhunt, I'm switching my vote to him. If people are smart, they will join me, or at least find another, more likely scum member. ##unvote HiroPro ##vote prplhz I will be going out shortly, but I'll be on my phone so I can still follow along and make some posts. | ||
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Custos Luna
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Custos Luna
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gg prplhz | ||
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Custos Luna
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Really depends on the next ~30hrs if he ever returns. | ||
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Custos Luna
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gg scib @risk.nuke: To save myself from the nightmare that I'm sure is the formatting of your post, I will be quoting segments of your post so I can respond to them: First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick |quote|&[comment] spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These |quote|&[comment] roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. You are correct. I was wrong on my early prplhz read. When I said he defended himself logically, I should have said he was rational about it. As in, he didn't fly off the handle defending himself. But yes, it wasn't until later that I realized he was only showing up to defend himself. Had I realized it earlier, I may have pushed for the prplhz lynch D1. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. I'm going to repeat myself here. It has been over a year since I've last played. Me being a "vet" does not mean that I know everyone's "meta" in depth. It's one thing to read through someone's game, and another thing to have played with them and experienced their actions in a certain role. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. I mentioned Mordanis because he was my target from mid D1. I was not faltering on my beliefs that he is scum. When it was clear to me that things needed to happen to decide between Forumite and prplhz, I acted. Perhaps my actions were not completely correct, but what's happened has happened. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) How can you possibly say that I've been posting with any level of care higher than anyone would. There is obvious forethought in my posts, as there is in everyone's posts. End of N1 I targetted the scum team in its entirety and almost died to town because of it. I personally wanted Mord lynched D1, and I was unsure of the two candidates at the time. I wasn't covering my ass in saying that, I was being completely open about my thoughts. @Shippopie: You beat me to the punch there and pretty much said most of what I wanted to. Mordanis changed his stance on me very quickly once Scib defended me and it was pretty clear that my lynch was not going to go through. A complete turn around from his previous opinions on my alignment. Also, since HiroPro is indisposed (and is more than likely a scum member), we know there is only one scum member active. Scib was the first (and really only) person to step up and make a case in my defense. He is now dead because of this. Mord is the only active player left who I have been consistently targeting, calling him out as the remaining scum member. Assuming Hiro (or a replacement) doesn't return before a modkill, I'm comfortable with a Mordanis lynch today. ##vote Mordanis | ||
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Custos Luna
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@DYH Yes, I am that paranoid. Look at it from my point of view. I called out what I believed to be the scum team. If I was right, I would expect them to want to discredit me as much as they can. It almost worked D2, but Scib was the only one to make people think "wait a minute, he might be right". Concerning HiroPro: If he (or some replacement) shows up, we should strongly consider switching to him. If not, he'll flip anyway. If he's scum, awesome. If he's town, then I'll reevaluate my opinions. | ||
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Custos Luna
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Custos Luna
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Still trying to decide how I want to evaluate that. | ||
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Custos Luna
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On August 11 2012 08:39 prplhz wrote: Hunting scum on the premise that I'm scum is bad scum hunting (and it's also bad because I'm not scum and you're not going to find anything from this premise). This leaves me inclined to think I was at least 2/3 right about my prediction. Mord, I notice you mentioned that you think risk.nuke should be looked at more closely, but now that he is, you haven't said anything. What are your thoughts? | ||
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Custos Luna
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On August 15 2012 06:24 slOosh wrote: @DYH: My cases look nicer in other games simply because there is more content to work with. In a slow game like this there is less to work with. My case is solid regardless of how big / small it is. Reading up on the risk.nuke thing, didn't notice the timing of the vote switch. With his D1 vote do you think he anticipated a Forumite lynch? See, I'm not sure. This is what's confusing me. It would have been rather ballsy to sit on prplhz even in the face of a D1 scum lynch. | ||
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