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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
First off, what is this crap: On August 14 2012 02:22 Custos Luna wrote: How convenient for the only one to take the time to defend me to die D= Scib was the first (and really only) person to step up and make a case in my defense. He is now dead because of this. Mord is the only active player left who I have been consistently targeting, calling him out as the remaining scum member. Are you really this paranoid/narcissistic to believe that scib getting killed was all about you? It couldn't have been because he was the town leader, the towniest player, or for any of the other numerous reads he had over the course of the game? This is the second time you have done something like this. It is WIFOM and what is worse, this time you are using it in your case against Mord. Add on top of that all the problems I have had with your play so far this game. My initial dislike of CL's first 2 posts. My case against CL. (My theory about prplhz and Forumite both being town was proved wrong, but that doesn't change that CL handed his scum read control of the lynch. Possibly just a mistake, but still bad.) Then risk.nuke's case had 2 things in it that caught my attention. The first is that it is true that CL seemed overly cautious and afraid of firmly taking a side between Forumite and prplhz, even before I pointed out they were tied in votes. Which brings me to CL's morning evaluation. Right here we get CL's opinion that prplhz is a worse lynch than Forumite. But more importantly, look at the function of this post. It attacks the prplhz wagon, proposes Mord as an alternative, and leaves the Forumite wagon fairly untouched, bolstering it if anything. CL has already admitted to a wrong read on prplhz, but that doesn't change that this post fits neatly into scum agenda. For those first 3 reasons I gave, I'm not going to vote CL(yet), I want a response and some debate before I make my final decision. @slOosh & Mord - If you actually are looking to push Shiaopi you need more than 1 contradiction and 1 bad case, those have been everywhere this game. If that was all it took to lynch someone Mord would already be dead. I know that slOosh at least is capable of much better case building than what I just read. Are we all content with HiroPro sitting on the sidelines through N3? He was a top scum connection if prplhz flipped mafia, but now that he has the possibility of being modkilled you all seem content to forget about him. @ Keirathi What are you thinking right now? Which of the 3 wagons (CL, Mord, Shiaopi) has most merit to you? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
@DYH Yes, I am that paranoid. Look at it from my point of view. I called out what I believed to be the scum team. If I was right, I would expect them to want to discredit me as much as they can. It almost worked D2, but Scib was the only one to make people think "wait a minute, he might be right". Concerning HiroPro: If he (or some replacement) shows up, we should strongly consider switching to him. If not, he'll flip anyway. If he's scum, awesome. If he's town, then I'll reevaluate my opinions. | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
What you SHOULD have done is made note of the possibility and attacked anyone who came after you using the very same WIFOM reasoning we are complaining about you using. | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Should have it up within an hour or two. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Risk wasn't even on the prplhz vote. Final vote count was: Custos Luna(1): prplhz(7): CL, Keirathi, sciberbia, sloosh, DYH, Mordanis, ShiaoPi No Vote: prplhz, HiroPro Any thoughts on that? | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
Still trying to decide how I want to evaluate that. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Should have been: Custos Luna(1): prplhz(7): | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
HiroPro I would want to lynch him today, but since he is likely to be modkilled, I don't see any reason in it. If he gets replaced, then I feel like we should probably lynch him. risk.nuke Copying points from my n1 case: 1)Did nothing on day 1 except talk about policy and setup until his vote on prplhz. 2)He didn't have a single mention of any scumhunting in his filter besides 2 one-liners about prplhz: calling him out for lurking, and voting him. 3)Made no mention whatsoever of the Forumite or Mordanis cases, but after the night flip he says "Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.". Why weren't you there defending him pre-flip if you were so sure he was a "cowbow"? 4) Was on the prplhz vote in a late position. New points: 5) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15845247 6) What was the point in his "Analyzing the vote switch" post? DYH already analyzed it on D2, and came to the conclusion that CL was scum, too. That post feels like he was just sheeping on DYH's work and opinion after the counter wagon didn't work d2, and using a lot of the same evidence to come to the same conclusion. 7) Analyzing his switch to CL after the DYH case, it makes sense for scum to do that. He started the early bus on prplhz, then switched off once there was a solid case on CL with a few townies on board. All things considered, my vote for today will stay with him unless someone has something extremely overwhelming. So since I have to go, some quick comments: Leaning slightly town on CL and Mord. Neither have posts that scream "SCUM AGENDA" to me, although I question CL's WIFOM posts after both nights a bit. ShiaoPi: Sloosh's case has some solid reasoning that I would like some answers for. His change of thought about prplhz particularly. I still don't feel like he's a better lynch than risk today though. | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:39 prplhz wrote: Hunting scum on the premise that I'm scum is bad scum hunting (and it's also bad because I'm not scum and you're not going to find anything from this premise). This leaves me inclined to think I was at least 2/3 right about my prediction. Mord, I notice you mentioned that you think risk.nuke should be looked at more closely, but now that he is, you haven't said anything. What are your thoughts? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Reading up on the risk.nuke thing, didn't notice the timing of the vote switch. With his D1 vote do you think he anticipated a Forumite lynch? | ||
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:24 slOosh wrote: @DYH: My cases look nicer in other games simply because there is more content to work with. In a slow game like this there is less to work with. My case is solid regardless of how big / small it is. Reading up on the risk.nuke thing, didn't notice the timing of the vote switch. With his D1 vote do you think he anticipated a Forumite lynch? See, I'm not sure. This is what's confusing me. It would have been rather ballsy to sit on prplhz even in the face of a D1 scum lynch. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On August 15 2012 06:33 Custos Luna wrote: See, I'm not sure. This is what's confusing me. It would have been rather ballsy to sit on prplhz even in the face of a D1 scum lynch. Well the fact was that a prplhz was very possible D1 and that only near the end did people sway off. It could have been that he anticipated a prplhz lynch ... | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On August 09 2012 14:15 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count prplhz (5): DoYouHas, Marvellosity, HiroPro, Forumite, Keirathi Forumite (3): Sciberbia, slOosh, prplhz Mordanis (2): ShiaoPi, Custos Luna prplhz is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is in ~9.75 hours at Thursday, Aug 09 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Following this is a throwaway vote on marv by Mordanis, then risk's vote. I think he voted anticipating prplhz's lynch. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
##Unvote: ShiaoPi ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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