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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Axero
United States307 Posts
On August 10 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote: So let me get this straight - your strategy going in to this game was to lurk until your name was mentioned, then FOS the guy who called you out for lurking? Well hearing your "strategy" - you better have some damn good explanations for your play so far. Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 10 2012 09:52 Kronen wrote: @Sideni I think he's trying to say don't be afraid to respond cogently before quickly. If you find yourself knee deep into an analogy that is going nowhere and it occupied 45min to an hour of your time, I'd be totally fine with you stymying the retort bandwagon by throwing down a quick post "Responding to X's post on such-and-such but it's taking some time... please stand by." That's more valuable to me than having to read a post you've already 85% redacted or nullified. @Dandel am I clear in understanding your statement? Pretty much. I already summarized it as: You shouldn't hold back READS and CASES. You SHOULD think about what you're posting. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#534 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 10 2012 09:56 Axero wrote: Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check. Your Quicktopic coach told you to check the thread? | ||
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Axero
United States307 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
On August 10 2012 09:26 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 09:19 Sideni wrote: Alright sir, I need some explanation from yourself ... You tell me in that post that a good town player would avoid confusion (that's why I cut on what I say sometimes). Although, in a post before, you're telling me that I shouldn't be afraid to say what I think... You're not coherent in your sayings. (I know that I can be incoherent as well, but that's why I excuse myself and that I explain my thoughts) I made a mistake in my logic and I thought it would be great to assume that it's my fault and to explain it instead of just saying "nevermind, I made a mistake"... As I already said, you're not coherent in your sayings about what you want me to do and it makes you suspicious to my eyes. Next thing that bugs me is that I've been pressuring lvdr a bit and at some point, you just came to defend him ... =/ I'm currently under pressure by both lvdr and you and nobody comes to help me  I'm suspicious about you two. I looked at all the posts of lvdr and not a single one refers to you (in the current game). I did the same with your posts and the only time I have a result where you're talking about lvdr, it's either because you use a quote from someone talking about lvdr or because you're defending him... There's nothing, whatsoever, in the game, where you interact with each other, yet you both seem to be teamed up against me right now... You didn't even suspected each other even if there's enough material to ask yourself some questions ... For these reasons, I want to say FOS both of you, but I don't know if I can do that according to the rules. But, you're both on the same level of suspicions. What? Please quote the part where I defend Lvdr. Because I'm pretty sure I didn't do that. At this point, I'm almost convinced you INTENTIONALLY misunderstand what I'm writing. You shouldn't hold back READS and CASES. You SHOULD think about what you're posting. What of this is hard to understand? I don't get your "logic". Clarify please. Well, it looks like I overestimated the number of posts where you kinda defend lvdr. (note that defending isn't just to give counter arguments, it's also to take the attention off the thing you want to protect.) Here's where it begins. On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay here's the thing I don't get (afair lvdr really stood out with that reasoning in game 0.5 - he was town that game though): If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? The first bold thing is something I will come back to later. Alright, so with the question you ask me right here, you make me feel like you're using what lvdr brought. (I was explaining myself to him by that point.) So, when you saw that you had a chance to interrogate me, you took it. Just as a child would get into the lie of his friend. Since then, you're still on my case and you just now decided to explain what you meant clearly ... (leaving me enough time to believe a lot of things and seem confused) As I said, defending isn't only to use counter-arguments to protect someone, it can also be just the fact that you take the attention off the thing you want to protect. Well, since you started to get on my case, we haven't talked about lvdr and you haven't even talked about how he behaves ... (Without any hesitation taking care of me) The first thing I had bolded is somehow unusual to me =/ We all know lvdr was town last game. However, you have to specify that fact ? Why would you have to tell us that he was town ? Is it because you know his rank in this game ? And if you know his rank, we all know where you belong The "though" at the end of that sentence is what gets most of my attention ! It feels like you're saying : "Last time he was X, now he's Y" and since there are only 2 possibilities and X != Y, he has to be mafia if we follow what you're saying ! I hope that's clearer ! If there's anything you want me to specify, I would love if you could ask a specific question about a specific part of the post ... Which is something you haven't done yet and you just let me answer to something that isn't specific to give an unspecific answer that will cause confusion. In that confusion, it might be easier for you to fool me into saying things that I don't mean and to get me lost so my townie fellows would think of lynching me ! | ||
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Kronen
United States732 Posts
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
@Dandel Ion : I'm still suspicious from both yoursefl and lvdr. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:10 Sideni wrote: Well, it looks like I overestimated the number of posts where you kinda defend lvdr. (note that defending isn't just to give counter arguments, it's also to take the attention off the thing you want to protect.) Here's where it begins. So in short, you have nothing that even indirectly implies I try to defend lvdr. Just as I thought. Alright, so with the question you ask me right here, you make me feel like you're using what lvdr brought. (I was explaining myself to him by that point.) wat. I do not understand the meaning of this sentence sorry. So, when you saw that you had a chance to interrogate me, you took it. Just as a child would get into the lie of his friend. Since then, you're still on my case and you just now decided to explain what you meant clearly ... (leaving me enough time to believe a lot of things and seem confused) So, just because I took a while to respond, because I don't camp this thread 24/7 and mash the F5 button every second, I'm deliberately trying to confuse you? Cause you seem to be doing a commendable job of confusing yourself already, doesn't really look like you need help to me. As I said, defending isn't only to use counter-arguments to protect someone, it can also be just the fact that you take the attention off the thing you want to protect. Well, since you started to get on my case, we haven't talked about lvdr and you haven't even talked about how he behaves ... (Without any hesitation taking care of me) So because I think you're playing scummy, it's a conspiracy between me and lvdr to screw you over? No, you're just playing scummy. However, this takes the prize: The first thing I had bolded is somehow unusual to me =/ We all know lvdr was town last game. However, you have to specify that fact ? Why would you have to tell us that he was town ? Is it because you know his rank in this game ? And if you know his rank, we all know where you belong The "though" at the end of that sentence is what gets most of my attention ! It feels like you're saying : "Last time he was X, now he's Y" and since there are only 2 possibilities and X != Y, he has to be mafia if we follow what you're saying ! I clarified that, because I don't see the TOWN motivation for it, but a confirmed townie did it in the last game. You jump to the craziest conclusions and deliberatly try to twist and turn anything I say into your idea of scum behavior, what you do can't be town play. It reeks more like trying to get a mislynch train rolling than anything else. If you ever post a coherent case against me, I'll gladly take it, but you're just grasping for any straw you can find | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
With regard to the apparently contradicting posts I made regarding Sideni's scummy argument and bandwagoning, I should have phrased it that I wasn't accusing Sideni for bandwagoning. My intent was to draw attention to what I saw as a weak and fluffy argument. Notice the second sentence: Agreeing with mkfuba's case is not what I found suspicious. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
Instead of endlessly discussing policy, giving strong reads and attracting attention in this way gives the town something to actually analyze. Imagine going back to read the discussion after a few flips. The motives of those accusing me AND defending me would be quite informative. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
3. Shady Sands: Shady has taken umbrage with a (admittedly) confusing clarification I made and accused axero of lurking. He hasn't said anything else, but he's taken a position. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#499 2. Axero: Axero has appeared long enough to FOS Hapa for (rightfully) calling him a lurker. OMGUS at its finest. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#535 1. goodkarma: goodkarma has given us gems like: Here's to hoping that there won't be like 3+ lurkers this game... -_- ands a side-note, I'm betting we don't have many lurkers anyway. We are very fortunate to have had this game restarted, as it's given lurkers a chance to weed themselves out from playing . ... and followed it up with some quality lurkage. I declare goodkarma our lurker champion for now. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 10 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote: So let me get this straight - your strategy going in to this game was to lurk until your name was mentioned, then FOS the guy who called you out for lurking? Well hearing your "strategy" - you better have some damn good explanations for your play so far. I'm getting echoes of Golbat from XXII. Similarly bad play D1, resulted in a lynch of the Vigi. Since it's a newbie game, I think we should be a little nicer on the guy. It might be better for all of us. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 10 2012 12:09 Lvdr wrote: Time for some lurker rankings! 3. Shady Sands: Shady has taken umbrage with a (admittedly) confusing clarification I made and accused axero of lurking. He hasn't said anything else, but he's taken a position. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#499 2. Axero: Axero has appeared long enough to FOS Hapa for (rightfully) calling him a lurker. OMGUS at its finest. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#535 1. goodkarma: goodkarma has given us gems like: and ... and followed it up with some quality lurkage. I declare goodkarma our lurker champion for now. Who would you lynch D1? | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
Is it acceptable to take into consideration personal coaching experiences to speculate players that are being coached? Some good discussion going. I also want to point out the lurkers in this game. If you are not going to be active, please replace out. Axero, if you are going too busy to invest considerable efforts in this game, please replace out. Goodkarma, put more thoughts into your post. And not having anything to add to the discussion is not an excuse. There are always rooms for contribution. Keep reading, repeatedly if needed, until you do. I will be back in a bit to post my thoughts. Also would really like the moderator to allow speculation on who is being coached. As far as I am concerned, scums can lie about their coaching situation, so anything should go. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 10 2012 12:40 Lvdr wrote: @shady we have like 19 hours left. Still way too early to have a vote decided. That said, as lurker champion good karma would get my vote Right now. So your sole D1 lynch criterion is lurkiness? Or is there something else you're looking for in posts? | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 10 2012 12:25 Shady Sands wrote: I'm getting echoes of Golbat from XXII. Similarly bad play D1, resulted in a lynch of the Vigi. Since it's a newbie game, I think we should be a little nicer on the guy. It might be better for all of us. I obs'd XXII, and Golbat wasn't NEAR this lurky D1. Golbat was fairly active (~1.5 page filter) and didn't play as bad as you suggest. Axero on the other hand has demonstrated anti-town mentality so far. He also mentioned he'd respond to my earlier post after he was finished with his DOTA game, but never got around to it. | ||
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